Calif. university stabber shot dead after lunging at officer, student says

[Slav Defence]

lol, you are shooting at a person who is "RUNNING" toward you. It's not a paper or wooden target that won't move.

You may think shooting people in the arms and legs are easy, but why don't you try and shoot him in that area when the person is moving and more importantly, close??

It's not about how police should shoot, but whether the police should use deadly arms. Because when you use deadly arms, you aim to kill, not to wound. And judging the situation, if some guy are running toward me, clearly hostile and with a knife up his hand, I would use my side arms and put 3 on his chest. If you want to ask me why I don't shoot him on the arms or legs, then my answer is, I am sorry, we can't all be Super Cop or Delta Force.

He was holding knife not gun,still... couldn't be something was done to stop in other way around?

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[gambit]

He was holding knife not gun,still... couldn't be something was done to stop in other way around?

regards

Have you ever taken or taught hand-to-hand combat ? I have -- both. I taught civilians, particularly women, on self defense techniques, in unarmed, with a non-firearm weapon, and with a gun. Without a gun, anything, even a key, can be used as a weapon.

Most people are shocked at how fast an assailant can approach them on foot. A pistol's effective range is at best 25 meters, but under stress and adrenaline -- 5 meters. Using paintball guns, as a knife wielding attacker, I successfully charged from 10 meters away and 'stabbed' my targets over 60% of the time without being hit in a vital organ. And even when I was hit in the torso, estimated rage and momentum would have made the assault successful anyway.

Shooting against the limbs is a fiction, as in movies, not in real life.

 

[VCheng]

He was holding knife not gun,still... couldn't be something was done to stop in other way around?

regards

The real question that should as asked is why he was out to kill others in the first place? Having a murderous intent and acting upon it is no reason to expect kindness in return from those whose duty it is to protect others.

 

[jhungary]

He was holding knife not gun,still... couldn't be something was done to stop in other way around?

regards

Sure, there could be any and every way out without killing the person yielding knife. But in that particular situation, it doesn't.

Look, it's a bit different what you see and hear and what you will actually do in that situation. As I said, we are sitting in our living room, without the imminent danger that we are actually going to be stabbed. Of course we can calmly examine all sort of avenue on how to deal with the situation differently.

But if you put yourselves in the officer shoes. Now you are the one that facing a guy, 5 meters away and he is charging you with a knife, you get about 2 seconds before being stabbed. What would you do?? Would you try to close in, take a chance and try to disarm the man? Or would you pull your side arms and shoot him to stop him?

The question, again, is not about how it should have been done, but was that justified. Could there be anything the police officer can do beside shooting the man dead? Yes, there probably plenty, but it would be wrong to blame the officer for choosing the so called "easy way out" because, well, simply you weren't there, and hind sights are always 20-20.

If that was me that guy is charging, maybe it would have a different outcome, maybe not, but I would certainly not going to blame or judge the person in this question. That was a good shoot, and that's it and it's that simple.

 

[Slav Defence]

The real question that should as asked is why he was out to kill others in the first place? Having a murderous intent and acting upon it is no reason to expect kindness in return from those whose duty it is to protect others.

When I was in my first semester,then we had a subject ''bio-statistics'' which was compulsory.In that subject,we were taught about two hypothesis, first was that person in question was criminal and second he was not.The overall morale of study was that it was more preferred to leave a criminal rather than punishing up innocent.
What I mean in here was,that when you might have choice to disarm him since he was carrying a dagger,then why he was shot from gun?
..and in this case I want a professional to answer me who has been in there,I didn't intend to initiate any argument b/c it is not my field but I want an input from person who has such experience like somebody as outspoken and straightforward as @jhungary who always give me straight ahead response without sugarcoating anything.
Once again,I am not questioning with any intention to criticize LEA treatment rather than JUST possible alternatives,so don't judge my statement in wrong manner.

regards

 

[jhungary]

When I was in my first semester,then we had a subject ''bio-statistics'' which was compulsory.In that subject,we were taught about two hypothesis, first was that person in question was criminal and second he was not.The overall morale of study was that it was more preferred to leave a criminal rather than punishing up innocent.
What I mean in here was,that when you might have choice to disarm him since he was carrying a dagger,then why he was shot from gun?
..and in this case I want a professional to answer me who has been in there,I didn't intend to initiate any argument b/c it is not my field but I want an input from person who has such experience like somebody as outspoken and straightforward as @jhungary who always give me straight ahead response without sugarcoating anything.
Once again,I am not questioning with any intention to criticize LEA treatment rather than JUST possible alternatives,so don't judge my statement in wrong manner.

regards

so, did I answer your question?

 

[VCheng]

When I was in my first semester,then we had a subject ''bio-statistics'' which was compulsory.In that subject,we were taught about two hypothesis, first was that person in question was criminal and second he was not.The overall morale of study was that it was more preferred to leave a criminal rather than punishing up innocent.
What I mean in here was,that when you might have choice to disarm him since he was carrying a dagger,then why he was shot from gun?
..and in this case I want a professional to answer me who has been in there,I didn't intend to initiate any argument b/c it is not my field but I want an input from person who has such experience like somebody as outspoken and straightforward as @jhungary who always give me straight ahead response without sugarcoating anything.
Once again,I am not questioning with any intention to criticize LEA treatment rather than JUST possible alternatives,so don't judge my statement in wrong manner.

regards

I think @jhungary answered your question pretty well, and along the lines of what I said: The LEO must do his sworn duty to protect and serve others above all. He does not have a choice in this matter. The would-be stabber here made the choice to do what he did and paid the price for it.

 

[patriotpakistan]

Ignore the israeli troll.

 

[gambit]

Videos capture SUV ramming Oklahoma police officer's car - StarTribune.com

SAND SPRINGS, Okla. — Police in Oklahoma have released video from dashboard and body cameras showing a speeding SUV ramming a police officer's car as the officer fired his gun at the stolen vehicle.

...Master Patrol Officer James Matthew Stacy survived with minor injuries after being thrown from the impact of the crash.

I will save some people some blood sugar in criticizing US...

The idiot cop should have shot at the tires to cause a 'blow out' to throw the car off course, or shot at the hood to cause the engine to explode. Also why is he not fit enough to jump out of the way ? Too much donuts and time behind the desk ?

 

[Slav Defence]

so, did I answer your question?

Yes,and he was warning him to stop before shooting,so things sit pretty well

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