CAG blames Army for delay in Arjun tanks’ induction

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Yaar, atleast Think Tank hone ka to khyal kar liya karo.

Overestimation and overconfidence is bad for health. BTW, in 2010 Arjun passed its comparative trials.



I guarantee you, if Al-Khalid showed its trials to IA, in first hand IA and MoD rejected that.

And from where does the creator of this chart got the information?

Arjun MK2 is still under development...

Besides, the fact that he calls him "Arjunk" says more than enough about his credibility...

I'm just going to leave this here.

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Nothing better expected from you side - you fcuked up the specifications of both Arjun Mark I and Mark II together to make yourself feel better and live in denial as usual -

(01) The unit cost of Arjun Mark II is $6 Million in 2014 NOT $8.8 Million - only morons will calculate the unit price by diving the total order cost of the contract cleared by the number of tanks ordered overlooking the fact that the entire contract includes maintenance kits, simulators for training and other associated accessories.
India shows off upgraded Arjun Mk II MBT at National Day parade - IHS Jane's 360

(02) The power to weight ratio for Mark II is 26.66 hp/tonne - 24 hp/tonne was for Mark I not Mark II.
http://www.spslandforces.com/exclusive/?id=20&h=Indian-Army-orders-118-Arjun-Mk.II-tanks

(03) Rate of Fire for Arjun Mark II is 8 rounds per minute.
India Reverses Gear, Puts Arjun Tank Back in Production

(04) The protection doesn't only included modular composite armour but also an integrated explosive reactive armor (ERA) system has been installed on the glacis plate that is in addition to the previously observed 'arrowhead' ERA over the front of the turret and Survivability is further enhanced by the installation of an advanced laser warning and countermeasure system (ALWACS) - four ALWACS elements are mounted at each corner of the turret to provide 360-degree coverage.
Arjun Main Battle Tank - Army Technology

(05) The armaments of even Mark I have not even been mentioned leave alone Mark II as usual to make oneself feel good - A remote weapon station (RWS) has been fitted to the turret for the first time. The RWS is armed with a 12.7 mm machine gun. The vehicle is also fitted with a bank of eight 81 mm grenade launchers either side of the turret that are similar to those fitted on the Russian T-72M1 and T-90S MBTs used by India.The 120 mm rifled gun is retained with a 7.62 mm machine gun mounted co-axial. The 120 mm gun is fitted with a thermal sleeve, fume extractor, and a muzzle reference system; the latter allows the weapon to be bore sighted without the crew leaving the vehicle. Apart from firing conventional ammunition, including armour-piercing fin-stabilised discarding sabot, the gun can fire 120 mm thermobaric type ammunition and laser guided projectiles and CLGM as well.
LIVEFIST: India's Arjun Mk.2 Tank Revealed

(06) LAHAT won't be used in Mark II as you claimed instead the indigenous CLGM will be integrated in Mark II.

India drops Israeli missile for Arjun Tank - Hindustan Times
CLGM completes test flights -The New Indian Express

(07) A computerised day/thermal fire control system is fitted and the Arjun Mk II has a new panoramic sighting system on the right side of the turret roof. This has a number of openings indicating that it has day/night/laser rangefinder capability and could carry out hunter/killer target engagements.
India shows off upgraded Arjun Mk II MBT at National Day parade - IHS Jane's 360

That's what you are good at - faking and manipulating facts, figures and specifications to make yourself feel good! Now GTFO troll!

Army probably doesn't want to buy junk!!!

A 65ton behemoth is useless in soft soil of Punjab regions. Our soil (subcontinental) is irrigated throughout the year...65ton tank is pretty useless...

Looks like u did not read the above posts.

That moron was stupid enough to overlook the fact that despite its weight - the ground pressure of Arjun Mark II is just 11.90 PSI - less than that of T-90S. - Even to troll one needs to have some basic knowledge which guys like him lack infinitely.

 

[he-man]

Army probably doesn't want to buy junk!!!

A 65ton behemoth is useless in soft soil of Punjab regions. Our soil (subcontinental) is irrigated throughout the year...65ton tank is pretty useless...

Looks like u did not read the above posts.

 

[Tshering22]

Sadly, it is true.

Arjun is one of the very capable indigenous machines that the Army is scuttling to continue importing for fat under-the-table commissions to top generals involved.

MOD under Parikkar should shove these tanks down the Army's throats and ban import of tanks from abroad.

 

[he-man]

Sadly, it is true.

Arjun is one of the very capable indigenous machines that the Army is scuttling to continue importing for fat under-the-table commissions to top generals involved.

MOD under Parikkar should shove these tanks down the Army's throats and ban import of tanks from abroad.

Does not solve any problem actually considering majority of crucial components of arjun are already imported.

 

[Dillinger]

Does not solve any problem actually considering majority of crucial components of arjun are already imported.

Which can be pakka indigenised IF the numbers are right and a sub-systems ecosystem becomes economical. No, this is not hyperbole, and no this is not DRDO's line, asked around and even folks at TASL and L&T feel that way.

 

[Armstrong]

Which can be pakka indigenised IF the numbers are right and a sub-systems ecosystem becomes economical. No, this is not hyperbole, and no this is not DRDO's line, asked around and even folks at TASL and L&T feel that way.

Don't you have some Balance Sheets to balance ?

Bloody Accountant !

 

[Dillinger]

Don't you have some Balance Sheets to balance ?

Bloody Accountant !

Don't you have some kebabs to swallow?

I'm taking it easy. No extra technical details, no crazy amounts of data. I've even spared the less informed posters on the thread. My time off from PDF has made me mellow.

 

[he-man]

Which can be pakka indigenised IF the numbers are right and a sub-systems ecosystem becomes economical. No, this is not hyperbole, and no this is not DRDO's line, asked around and even folks at TASL and L&T feel that way.

Well i am not surprised at the stupidity of ministry of defence here.

Same problem in air force trying to develop AMCA along with rafale,pakfa,tejas mk1,mk2
Problem-----Not enough funds for it and ultimately an inferior machine compared to the competing parties.

The best course even in future is ordering arjun mk2 more to mk3 rather than developing a new fmbt,,incorporating the changes in existing platform first than trying a new chassis all over again leading to invariably a disappointment.

But we know its not gonna happen,so......

 

[axisofevil]

Congress politicans, General Kapoor , middlemen and major kickbacks were the reason why the Arjun was delayed continously