But what if Imran Khan has it all wrong?

[M.SAAD]

I hope he realise and admit his mistake, if not then he's gonna lose a lot of followers in future.

 

[Mrc]

IK lives in a fantasy world..
He feels proud for being pashtoon and supports ttp caz he believes they represent pashtoons... the fact that this criminal murderous bunch has killed thousands of innocents completely alludes him..
The fact that these criminals have violated every pashtoon law and tarnished their history of tolerance and chavelary by their criminal and cowardly acts also alludes him..
For me any one living inillusion of his ancestory is a dangerous person..is that not what abu jahal and hitler believed in???? Superiority of their fore fathers and their race??
For me the rules u follow and things u believe in are more important...thats also what is taught by our holy prophet (saw)...
If any thing u learn from history..learn this... arabs were worst people on earth 1400 years ago... it was not their blood but their belief that set them apart...

TTP has broken all laws and shud be punished...if they are sons of herculis ; we shud not care... if war lasts another 100000 years it does not matter...

 

[MastanKhan]

sorry, everybody negotiates, even US is negotiating with taliban. Its only matter of time. If it was a small insurgency it would have been settled in a few months.

Sir,

Taliban were not insurgents or terrorists---they had a govt--they were running a nation----their nation was conquered and they were made to run out of their country----.

The U S created a drama.

 

[Musafir117]

sorry, everybody negotiates, even US is negotiating with taliban. Its only matter of time. If it was a small insurgency it would have been settled in a few months.

Don't mix up the things, Afghan Taliban is not related with our internal threats, and TTP was not a small insurgency we lost almost 60 thousands live including our Army jawans, and I told you we did negotiate with them do you need a history of it? Google by yourself. Thanks for your concern but it's a pure our internal issue not related with you guys.

 

[Mrc]

Sir,

Taliban were not insurgents or terrorists---they had a govt--they were running a nation----their nation was conquered and they were made to run out of their country----.

The U S created a drama.

Taliban sheltered osama bin laden after he attacked civilian targets using civilian aircraft in US...
They invited US to invade and then failed to put up a fight....

 

[salarsikander]

Taliban sheltered osama bin laden after he attacked civilian targets using civilian aircraft in US...
They invited US to invade and then failed to put up a fight....

And which is why this afghan war costed US in billions and the attacks on their NAtO base is still strong as it was during the first days of invasion and which is why the mighty US is leaving Afghan slowly and terming the whole ( Miserably failed) mission as successful

Hi,

TTP is just simply a terrorist organization doing terrorist activities for their master. There is no nationalism behind their identity like the Baloch cause or the Mohajjir cause or the Punjabi cause----.

They should never have been a part of any negotiation in the past and should not be in the future.


TTP has no axe to grind with the state----like some other ethnic groups.

They are mercenaries Sir

 

[Mrc]

And which is why this afghan war costed US in billions and the attacks on their NAtO base is still strong as it was during the first days of invasion and which is why the mighty US is leaving Afghan slowly and terming the whole ( Miserably failed) mission as successful


They are mercenaries Sir

Ok let me burst this bubble

US casualities in afghan war stand at around 790.. half of them in accidents...
Taliban have not raised a single succesful ambush in 12 years ... They only over ran a single out post that too after succesful evacuation of US troops..
Mean while taliban has been slaughtered over 100 k casualities...

Only one war prisoner has been taken by taliban, that too a guy who wondered off on his own and now facing disciplinary action..

Now US has very smartly realised afghan urge for independance and have pulled back... US CONTROLS AFGHANISTAN and will continue to do so for any foreseeable future...
Pull back is just a cost cutting measure...
Just today they slaughtered 20 afghan soldiers in an air strike ... where is independence????

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

I have not seen Imran Khan vocally supporting talks with the TTP now. Though his earlier stance before Operation Zarb-e-Azab was as idiotic as it can be just like his 126 days dharna. Having said this, even PMLN, especially Chaudhry Nasir was all open for the talks and they did until Gen. Raheel gave them 'enough' call.

 

[Zarvan]

No, this is not a thread about the punctures issue nor other areas of political showcraft. The question which is going to be explored here is what if Imran Khan has it all wrong when it comes to TTP.

Over the years we have witnessed Imran's carefully crafted narrative in support of negotiating with the TTP. He drew parallels with the IRA peace process and so on. Cutting the long story short, he did manage to convince many people that negotiations are the only option.

Looking at his narrative carefully over the years, i believe that he is not only ill informed about the conflict but also holds a flawed understanding of conflict dynamics concerning TTP vs the State.

We thought that after the spectacular success of operation zarb e azb and APS massacre Mr. Khan would alter his opinions but as soon as Murree negotiations started between two foreign entities he was singing the old song all over again.

1: His narrative that TTP wants negotiations is misleading as there have been half a dozen attempts to achieve it without any success . Swat is a good example of TTPs mercenary nature where they didn't keep their end of the deal .

2: He grossly underestimates what Pakistan Army can do through focused forced projection. He was trying to create a falsehood that Army feels stuck and we should therefore cut a shady deal with the TTP and pull our forces back. Op ZEA has destroyed his claim.

3: He thinks Murree peace process should be repeated with TTP. What he fails to see is that Afghan Taliban haven't been internationally tagged as a terrorist organization while TTP is.This makes any negotiations with TTP unconstitutional.

4: He has no understanding of the tactical situation on the battlefield. Army has squarely won the war and from this point onwards TTP has no sanctuaries in Pakistan. This means that the state only needs to re establish its writ because negotiations with TTP don't offer any strategic advantage.

5: India is backing TTP, so indirectly we would be negotiating with India ? - On what terms? - to what end ?

6: He lacks compassion. Would he have the same opinion if Sulaiman and Qasim were massacred in APS? - I'd doubt that.

7: He is surrounded by fanatics who actually support the TTP. Not just JI but his party itself has people who hold a soft corner for TTP.

8: He can't contemplate how to politically capitalize on a military victory.

9: He thinks its okay to legitimise an international terrorist group by negotiations conducted with the state.

10: He refused to become part of the delegation of negotiators when a last ditch attempt was made before the operation.

In my opinion IKs judgement on TTP issue is flawed on a moral, political, strategic and tactical level. After the success of the operations in North Waziristan he should be calling for only one kind of negotiations, to lay down the terms of TTP's surrender.

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Share your thoughts.

He was right from day one you wouldn't have faced APS tragedy if you would have bothered to listen to him in 2003 and would have not entered Tribal areas. You are accused of backing Afghan Taliban Sir still Afghan Government is talking with them, talking is best option and isolating as many groups as you can. If you have bothered to listen to last few programs on our channels with troops you would have come to know that many militants had support of entire tribes. You should hope Army has won the war and I also do but we still have lost 90000 people which could have been avoided if you would've listened to him in first place in 2003 when he was telling you not to go inside tribal areas. Sorry negotiations if TTP broke all of them than Army needs cort martial former KPK governor Lt. General Orakzai who tells different story on who broke peace accords. Lastly there would have been no TTP nor we would have lost 90000 innocent Pakistanis including 7000 soldiers if dumbo Musharraf would've not entered Tribal areas, unfortunately Imran was proven right you got stuck in Tribal areas now when ever India opens fire you can't hit back on large scale because you are stuck inside your own country. @Horus Sorry man realities are way to harsh which you are not ready to accept Imran was right on the spot from day one it was former Army Chief and President of Pakistan General Musharraf who wasn't.

Ok let me burst this bubble

US casualities in afghan war stand at around 790.. half of them in accidents...
Taliban have not raised a single succesful ambush in 12 years ... They only over ran a single out post that too after succesful evacuation of US troops..
Mean while taliban has been slaughtered over 100 k casualities...

Only one war prisoner has been taken by taliban, that too a guy who wondered off on his own and now facing disciplinary action..

Now US has very smartly realised afghan urge for independance and have pulled back... US CONTROLS AFGHANISTAN and will continue to do so for any foreseeable future...
Pull back is just a cost cutting measure...
Just today they slaughtered 20 afghan soldiers in an air strike ... where is independence????

USA casualties are more than 2000 90 % of them are killed by Afghan Taliban.

 

[WishLivePak]

Didn't he say something like the operation has success percentage very low?

And he comes on TV and tells the whole nation and tries to scare them, making them think our army cannot be successful and nation is doom for a failure.

 

[Mrc]

USA casualties are more than 2000 90 % of them are killed by Afghan Taliban.[/QUOTE]


Thanks but its still extremely pathetic figure...

How much are taliban and afghan civilian casulitues?? 100 k 200k or may b GOD knows....

 

[Zarvan]

Didn't he say something like the operation has success percentage very low?

And he comes on TV and tells the whole nation and tries to scare them, making them think our army cannot be successful and nation is doom for a failure.

Your former Army Chief said this and TTP leaders are still alive and in fact there would have been no TTP in first place and you would've not lost 90000 Pakistanis if you would've bothered to listen to him from 2003 when he told you don't enter Tribal areas you would get stuck and face massive backlash and guess what sadly he was proven right.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Afghanistan doesn't have much option other than talk since Talibans were the rulers there and still are in significant numbers. Afghanistan never had and still doesn't have militarily force to enforce writ of the state but Pakistan can. So comparing Pakistan stance towards Talibans with Afghanistan is share bullshit and ridiculous. Talibans/TTP were Pakistan's proxies and they should had behaved like this rather than start claiming land inside Pakistani territory.

 

[Mrc]

Your former Army Chief said this and TTP leaders are still alive and in fact there would have been no TTP in first place and you would've not lost 90000 Pakistanis if you would've bothered to listen to him from 2003 when he told you don't enter Tribal areas you would get stuck and face massive backlash and guess what sadly he was proven right.

Ok dont enter tribal areas and then what? If we had not entered tribal areas americans would have ...
Total pakistani casualities are 20 k civilan 6 k army fc and police ...

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2015

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Your former Army Chief said this and TTP leaders are still alive and in fact there would have been no TTP in first place and you would've not lost 90000 Pakistanis if you would've bothered to listen to him from 2003 when he told you don't enter Tribal areas you would get stuck and face massive backlash and guess what sadly he was proven right.

Another bullshit comment by Taliban sympathizer. Bloodshed was bound to happen just like what's happening in Syria now. Hint: Rise of ISIS. Taliban/TTP would had penetrated inside Pakistan land by fleeing Afghanistan anyways just like they did in Swat.