Bush says N-supply not legally binding; India worried

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Jana, any how Indian authorities have indicated that there will be fare play, and US firms will not be dicriminated or in disadvantage. But every one knows US can be trusted fully, so India will go and sign deals with other time tested friendly countries.
But I would like to again remind this deal should not be seen only at nuclear perspective, this is end of deniel regime for India and now US can do business with India in many field and give needed support to US economy. There are other angles of deal hope you understand those too.

you see the problem starts when there is unfair play.

If US intrests are protected they will continue to behave like partners and if not you know the result.

Well i dont think so that before the deal there was any ban on dealing other businesses with India by US other than the nuclear Tech.

 

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If you exclude major intrests of US from the deal be dead sure the marriage of convinence is going to end sooner than expected.

Indians think that they can get away with their treachery in dealing with US well

oh... yea......and why is that??? please explain to us .........
hey wait a minute....
are you comparing this with pakistan US relationship????

 

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oh... yea......and why is that??? please explain to us .........
hey wait a minute....
are you comparing this with pakistan US relationship????

No actually Bush falls in love with turbaned Manmohan Singh

 

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My opinion is that you'd be lucky to have half the Prime Minister that Manmohan Singh is. He was willing to sacrifice his government over the deal. Actions speak louder than words.

 

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No actually Bush falls in love with turbaned Manmohan Singh

probabaly after divorce with mush ...

 

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India contests Bush’s stand on fuel supply

Insists assurances in 123 pact legally binding

Rights, obligations clearly spelt out in 123 Agreement

Government will ensure that India’s rights are fully protected

NEW DELHI: India on Friday contested U.S. President George Bush’s statement that the American commitment on reliable supply of nuclear fuel was not legally binding.

Pointing out that the rights and obligations of both countries were clearly spelt out in the 123 Agreement, India maintained that once this inter-governmental pact entered into force, it would become a legal document in accordance with well-recognised principles of international law and the Law of Treaties. This implied that New Delhi believed that the political commitment for uninterrupted supply of fuel would then get translated into a legally binding commitment.

“In Article 5 (6), the Agreement records certain political commitments concerning reliable supply of nuclear fuel given to India.. [the] Agreement does not, however, transform these political commitments into legal binding commitments because the agreement, like other U.S. agreements of this type, is intended as a framework agreement,” said Mr. Bush’s statement.

The Foreign Office here said that in working with the U.S. for civilian nuclear cooperation India would be guided only by the 123 Agreement, in which it was given to understand that once inked by the leaders of two countries it would become a legal document.

“The text of the India-U.S. 123 Agreement has been agreed upon by the Governments of India and the United States. It is a public document. The rights and obligations of both India and the U.S. are clearly spelt out in the terms and provisions of the 123 Agreement. India-U.S. civil nuclear cooperation will be carried out on the basis of the respective rights and obligations of the two sides as contained in the Agreement. By doing so, the Government will ensure that India’s rights are fully protected,” said the Foreign Office statement.

“The Government of India does not comment on domestic political processes in the U.S. or other countries,” it added.

The government’s reaction came after The Hindu reported that the U.S. had diluted the fuel supply assurances contained in the 123 Agreement when Mr. Bush forwarded the text of the pact to the Congress.

India’s objection is to the covering note to the Agreement on the issue of fuel supply assurances. India feels that this issue is one of the crucial components of the commitments and obligations undertaken by both sides as part of the nuclear deal.

Foreign Office officials here believe that Mr. Bush’s observation in the covering letter is at variance with their understanding during the negotiations in the run-up to the separation plan,123 agreement, safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency and the exemption by the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

They point out that India, on its part, committed itself to binding agreements like the safeguards. They also dispute the American understanding that the 123 Agreement should be treated as any other U.S. pact with other countries because it is only the Indian pact which contains references to fuel supply assurances.

Mr. Bush has invited Prime Minster Manmohan Singh to Washington on September 25 when both sides hope to sign the 123 Agreement, provided it has been approved by the U.S. Congress.

The Hindu : Front Page : India contests Bush’s stand on fuel supply

 

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probabaly after divorce with mush ...

and no sooner Bush started getting cramps over nuke deal

 

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and no sooner Bush started getting cramps over nuke deal

not so fast ...and dont worry he wont be there to see anything like that......

 

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My opinion is that you'd be lucky to have half the Prime Minister that Manmohan Singh is. He was willing to sacrifice his government over the deal. Actions speak louder than words.

where credibility of MM Singh comes in ???

The point is not about Singh. Th epoint is Mashal was giving the impression that US has brokerd the deal without any intrest.

AS far as MM sing was willing sacrifice govt well not he but Sonia Gandhi.

Alone Mr Singh is nothing but like symbolic President of India.

 

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dont worry he wont be there to see anything like that......

Yes that is why the US democrats has advised the Congress not to rush to give the deal a green signal rather take time.

 

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Our reactors will come with fuel and reprocessing rights, says France

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Ready for “comprehensive nuclear cooperation” with India: Ambassador

“We believe India has the capability and the right to reprocess spent fuel”

France developing a new generation of nuclear reactors

New Delhi: Even as controversy continues to bedevil the terms of India’s proposed bilateral nuclear commerce with the United States, France stepped forward Friday to declare it was ready and open to engage in “comprehensive nuclear cooperation” with the Indian side.

Unlike the U.S., which does not wish to make binding commitments on fuel supply or grant irrevocable reprocessing rights to India, France has made it clear that the provision of fuel for any reactors it sells as well as reprocessing are not issues. “We believe India has the capability and the right to reprocess spent fuel,” French Ambassador Jerome Bonnafont told reporters here.

But in line with the apparent political commitment India has made to not ink deals with other suppliers until the ‘123 agreement’ with the U.S. passes through Congress, the ambassador was unwilling to say when the framework agreement for bilateral nuclear cooperation initialled during the visit to Delhi by President Nikolas Sarkozy this January would finally be signed. “We have to complete some procedures for it to be signed and we are presently discussing with India this issue in terms of timing.”

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be in Marseilles on September 29 for the India-European Union summit and in Paris on September 30 for a bilateral summit with Mr. Sarkozy. But it is far from clear whether India will be ready to sign its agreement by then.

Asked what these “procedures” — whose completion was holding up the actual signing — were, Mr. Bonnafont gave, as an example, the preparation of “an official Hindi translation” of the Indo-French draft agreement. (Indian officials say a Hindi translation is needed because the English original has also been translated into French. A second procedure to be completed, they say, involves France securing clearance for the agreement from Euratom).

The ambassador said the passage of the Indian waiver at the Nuclear Suppliers Group last week marked the culmination of a process that “[France] had initiated in a way” when Jacques Chirac, who was the French President at the time, came to India in 1998 and suggested “a special status needed to be created” for India to enable it to access nuclear supplies from abroad.

France has a “specificity in the world” as far as the capability of its nuclear industry was concerned, he said, and its national company, Areva, was currently developing a new generation of nuclear reactors - the EPR.

“This new generation will be proposed to India”, he said, adding that France envisaged cooperation in four distinct areas: scientific collaboration and research, training, safety and industrial collaboration.

Including Areva, there were 35 French companies which were looking to get involved in different aspects of the nuclear power generation sector in India, the ambassador said.

France currently has 58 nuclear power plants in operation which collectively generate 80 per cent of the country’s electricity production.
http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/13/stories/2008091361791200.htm

 

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where credibility of MM Singh comes in ???

The point is not about Singh. Th epoint is Mashal was giving the impression that US has brokerd the deal without any intrest.

AS far as MM sing was willing sacrifice govt well not he but Sonia Gandhi.

Alone Mr Singh is nothing but like symbolic President of India.

Go back and check my post I never said that........My post was in response to your bhavishyawani that this relation is shortlived.............
and as far as this deal is concerned IT is all about muchual interest.......

 

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Indian side.

Unlike the U.S., which does not wish to make binding commitments on fuel supply or grant irrevocable reprocessing rights to India, France has made it clear that the provision of fuel for any reactors it sells as well as reprocessing are not issues. “We believe India has the capability and the right to reprocess spent fuel,” French Ambassador Jerome Bonnafont told reporters here.

But in line with the apparent political commitment India has made to not ink deals with other suppliers until the ‘123 agreement’ with the U.S. passes through Congress, the ambassador was unwilling to say when the framework agreement for bilateral nuclear cooperation initialled during the visit to Delhi by President Nikolas Sarkozy this January would finally be signed. “We have to complete some procedures for it to be signed and we are presently discussing with India this issue in terms of timing.”

Malay that is the point If India is giving business to other countries like France and others instead of US, Do you think US will be allowing smooth sailing to India ???


Many experts have been saying that the deal will not bound India to purchase only from US which means she can go to other instead of US.

But is US such a naive that she can not see that .

 

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Yes that is why the US democrats has advised the Congress not to rush to give the deal a green signal rather take time.

Go back and read your own post it says small group of democrats........not all.....and there is always going to be a pakistani lobby + non proliferation lobby working against this deal.....but still it is a small group...resistence to deal is always expected.....

 

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Go back and check my post I never said that........My post was in response to your bhavishyawani that this relation is shortlived.............
and as far as this deal is concerned IT is all about muchual interest.......

First of all do translate this word bhavishyawani so that all can see if you are not using abusive language like another Indian who used a .d.irty word from Tamil knowing well that here members dont understand tamil.


Now as far as your earlier comment well you did mean that as if you read carefully i said till the time India does not harm US intrests US will be behaving like a partner simple as that and as soon as US feels its intrests are affected its not going to remain in love.

Its an open secrte