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Buner bagged

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Sunday, April 12, 2009

Buner, with a population of slightly over half-a-million according to the 1998 census, has fallen without a fight. Another piece of Pakistan, 1865 square kilometres to be precise, has disappeared into the maw of the Taliban. Local people, peaceful and no trouble to anybody, were unprepared for the influx of heavily armed men who came over the border from Swat. They put up what resistance they could but they were up against a battle-hardened and determined enemy, they had no support from the federal or provincial government and it was, in military terms, a walk-over for the Taliban. Instead of pulling out of Buner as they had announced on Thursday, the Taliban of Swat moved on Friday to consolidate their hold and took control of new areas, including the shrine of Sufi saint Pir Baba, which they are reported to have locked. The security forces offered no resistance. The houses of tribal elders have been occupied, those who organised the lashkar to resist the invasion are being threatened and targeted; pictures, videos and music CD's have been looted from houses and burned and the road to the district HQ at Daggar is today controlled by the militants. There will be blustering denials to the contrary but the inescapable reality is that another domino has toppled and the Taliban are a step closer to Islamabad.

Maps are instructive. To the south-east of Buner is Haripur, to the east Mansehra and to the west Mardan. Haripur is the next obvious move for the Taliban once they have consolidated in Buner, perhaps via a 'peace agreement' that effectively cedes the territory to their control. Haripur may be a harder nut to crack, but this has not deterred them in the past and will not in the future. Mansehra and Mardan will be 'easy' but Abbottabad less so. They will then control the Karakoram Highway as far north as Chilas, one of our key strategic routes and the only route to China, one of our principal allies and trading partners. None of this is going to happen tomorrow and the process may take several months, but the Taliban have the upper hand and know it.

There are distinct similarities between the way in which the Taliban are nibbling away at Pakistan and the way in which the Vietcong eventually defeated the Americans. They are iconoclasts, driven by ideology and with effective charismatic leadership. They have considerable grassroots support enabling movement and concealment and are well equipped for asymmetric warfare. Powerful external backers ensure the flow of money and equipment. They are highly trained, willing to accept disproportionate casualties and have no problem of recruitment and retention. They are up against a weak and vacillating government, riddled with corruption, and bereft of the kind of vision that would countervail them physically or intellectually. The forces ranged against them are trained and equipped for the wrong war and have elements which are sympathetic to the opposition; rendering effective and consistent military operations at best weak and at worst, failing. The Americans lost in Vietnam because they consistently underestimated the Vietcong, were outfought on the battlefield and had lost the 'hearts and minds' fight before battle was even joined. They backed a corrupt and venal regime and eventually retreated, beaten by what they always saw as a raggle-taggle of gooks. The Taliban know what they want and how to get it. The fall of Buner may seem relatively inconsequential, but when the dots are joined up – and they are joining fast – the picture that emerges is of a state that has already surrendered.
 
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first of all the taliban have withdrawn from the area completely. so all the apocalyptic bull crap is quite useless
 
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All I have to say is that it would be much easier to stop them before they enter the place than to displace them once they start controlling the local administration.
 
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Here you go!!!


LAHORE: The Taliban agreed to leave Buner district unconditionally after successful talks with a peace jirga in Mingora on Thursday.

Malakand Commissioner Syed Muhammad Javed told a private TV channel the Taliban had agreed to leave Buner and would completely vacate the area by Friday (today). He said the Taliban had made no demands for vacating the area.

Earlier, the local jirga held talks with the Taliban under the supervision of the commissioner. Javed said Maulana Waliullah mediated between the jirga members and Taliban. He said people of the area were satisfied with the result of the dialogue and were happy the Taliban were leaving Buner.

During the jirga, its members had offered the top Taliban leadership in Swat a peace deal and apology to end the standoff resulting from villagers executing 20 Taliban last week, elders told Daily Times. Waliullah confirmed the jirga members’ unconditional apology to the Taliban. “We want peaceful settlement of the Taliban presence in Buner,” he said.

A group of Swat Taliban moved into Buner last week. However, local villagers resisted them, engaging the heavily armed Taliban and killing 20 of them.

“Whatever has happened was a mistake on the part of some people and all us jirga members regret the incident,” the statement, quoting the Buner jirga members, stated. daily times/staff report

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C04\10\story_10-4-2009_pg7_5
 
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Here you go!!!


LAHORE: The Taliban agreed to leave Buner district unconditionally after successful talks with a peace jirga in Mingora on Thursday.

Malakand Commissioner Syed Muhammad Javed told a private TV channel the Taliban had agreed to leave Buner and would completely vacate the area by Friday (today). He said the Taliban had made no demands for vacating the area.

Earlier, the local jirga held talks with the Taliban under the supervision of the commissioner. Javed said Maulana Waliullah mediated between the jirga members and Taliban. He said people of the area were satisfied with the result of the dialogue and were happy the Taliban were leaving Buner.

During the jirga, its members had offered the top Taliban leadership in Swat a peace deal and apology to end the standoff resulting from villagers executing 20 Taliban last week, elders told Daily Times. Waliullah confirmed the jirga members’ unconditional apology to the Taliban. “We want peaceful settlement of the Taliban presence in Buner,” he said.

A group of Swat Taliban moved into Buner last week. However, local villagers resisted them, engaging the heavily armed Taliban and killing 20 of them.

“Whatever has happened was a mistake on the part of some people and all us jirga members regret the incident,” the statement, quoting the Buner jirga members, stated. daily times/staff report

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


Thanks for the link.

I think the editorial is complaining that even though the deal was signed, nobody actually left the area. The link you provided was from Friday. Geo TV has a report that post deal there was a gunfight and they may have left (Taliban complete pull out from Buner - GEO.tv), but that was on Sunday too. And today this article that says that there was no fight and that Army is the one pulling out.
 
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Thanks for the link.

I think the editorial is complaining that even though the deal was signed, nobody actually left the area. The link you provided was from Friday. Geo TV has a report that post deal there was a gunfight and they may have left (Taliban complete pull out from Buner - GEO.tv), but that was on Sunday too. And today this article that says that there was no fight and that Army is the one pulling out.


There was no army at the first place, as far as I know...It was just a tribal force that retaliated...and Talibans have agreed to leave the place....this is it...ihve not heard anything in news regarding talliban not leaving the place..
 
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There was no army at the first place, as far as I know...It was just a tribal force that retaliated...and Talibans have agreed to leave the place....this is it...ihve not heard anything in news regarding talliban not leaving the place..


Thanks. I heard the word "security forces" in the GEO TV article and assumed Army/para forces. I am more used to terminology used by Indian / US papers.

This article is from AFP and published about 6 hours ago Taliban consolidates Buner Valley hold - UPI.com
or a more detailed Dawn report

DAWN.COM | - NWFP | Militants recruit followers, extend patrols in Buner

I think now it is a question of which news source to trust.
 
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Several conflicting news reports:

"The News" reports that the Taliban have pulled out of Buner. Indian Express reports that Taliban are enforcing Sharia in Bajaur and consolidated their hold in Buner.

Oddly enough, the same paper "The News" gave an editorial claiming that Buner has fallen, on the very same day.

The confusion is partially clarified in this article in "Khabrein.info", which says that the "Swat Taliban" have agreed to move out, whereas the "Local Taliban" are in control of a famous Sufi shrine and some other areas.
Apparently the Sufi Shrine has been deemed unislamic and closed to worshippers.
 
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Whether the Talibans have moved out of Buner is another issue. The fact that a bunch of armed men can get hold of a part of a sovereign country, almost at will, is the main issue that needs to be addressed.
 
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Here's the latest as of Monday morning and it isn't pretty. I see wtf is on top of it.

The DCO, Jawed Ahmed, is an idiot-

"We are in constant touch with the leadership of Taliban in Swat and the situation will return to normal in next few days,’ said the Buner district coordination officer Jawed Ahmad.

The DCO told Dawn by phone: ‘We have adopted policy of restraint as a slight mistake could derail the entire peace initiative launched by the government.
These Taliban are peaceful and have till now not harmed any individual in the district.’

He dispelled the impression of any recruitment by the Swat Taliban in Buner stating that they had not received any such report. He added that the local people had entered into an agreement with the Taliban in Swat through a jirga.

Peaceful!? That's his dead officer in the photo with the story. Fool. If this is your leadership cut the best damned deal you can, brace for the new dark ages, or get the hell out of the nation while you can.

Stunning "head in sand" mentality. Tell me this guy isn't scared out of his shorts?:frown: Meanwhile, there's a real pied piper feel to this whole thing. The kiddies like the wild guys with guns telling the authorities to fcuk off. Seem that the militants have a devoted following already.
 
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Here's the latest as of Monday morning and it isn't pretty. I see wtf is on top of it.


"We are in constant touch with the leadership of Taliban in Swat and the situation will return to normal in next few days,’ said the Buner district coordination officer Jawed Ahmad.

After all that has happened,what is the need to be in touch with the Taleban.

The DCO told Dawn by phone: ‘We have adopted policy of restraint as a slight mistake could derail the entire peace initiative launched by the government.
These Taliban are peaceful and have till now not harmed any individual in the district.’

These Taleban are peaceful -- Are we on the same planet earth. What is this gentleman doing, giving Character Certificates.

GOP needs to assert itself. They can't abdicate their responsibility.
 
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Reuters reports that Pakistani Taliban are imposing their rule in Buner. Negotiations are going on with the Taliban to persuade them to move out, but they are not agreeing. Buner formed a "lashkar" to fight the Taliban and 13 people were killed in the clashes.
A police inspector from Buner said that "they (Taliban) are everywhere", visiting mosques and persuading people to follow sharia.
Pakistani Taliban begin imposing rule in new area | Reuters
 
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Here you go!!!


LAHORE: The Taliban agreed to leave Buner district unconditionally after successful talks with a peace jirga in Mingora on Thursday.


A group of Swat Taliban moved into Buner last week. However, local villagers resisted them, engaging the heavily armed Taliban and killing 20 of them.

“Whatever has happened was a mistake on the part of some people and all us jirga members regret the incident,” the statement, quoting the Buner jirga members, stated. daily times/staff report

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

This actually is an even more frightening scenario ? The locals are left to their own devices to defend themselves. Where was the Pak Police or Army ?

Why are they not involved on the ground ?

Regards
 
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This actually is an even more frightening scenario ? The locals are left to their own devices to defend themselves. Where was the Pak Police or Army ?

Why are they not involved on the ground ?

Regards

The locals refused to allow the Military into Buner, claiming they could keep the Taliban out themselves through negotiations and 'lashkar'.

Their contention was that a military presence would attract the Taliban, and the ensuing conflict was not worth it.
 
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