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Budget of 27km buss service in Lahore is more than all south punjab

It is clear this project is going to popularize the CM but what is more important is we are able to see something tangible. Something that we can use as reference to go ahead. we should not criticize in a blind way. If one man creates problems among some solutions for the public and the other creates only problems and not solutions, we should opt for the first one if we are a bit rational.
 
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Never use the word "wasted" while criticizing some good initiatives (even if it is case for Laptops) because it means we spent a lot and got nothing. It is matter of "miss-allocation" of funds only. Someone says that these funds should be used on this project and other says on that project. It is case of opinion and very natural. So I think nothing is wasted. There may be case of miss-allocation of funds, problem with priorities, issue with what should be dealt with first and so on but nothing is going to be "Wasted".
 
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and regarding Buses there are EURO II or EURO III standard engines. Can you tell me where such engines are manufactured in Pakistan????

So we are all of a sudden worrying about emissions in Pakistan? I know that I prefer lower costs plus in house bus production rather than having Carbon emission worries at this moment.

I doubt that corruption was part of this project and am awaiting for you to substantiate your allegations. Thanks in advance.

I can't find the exact link right now that I saw a few months ago, but following are some salient points that I remember:

1- No tender was given out for the project. The majority of the steel was bought without tender and at higher than normal prices.

2- The project costs could have been reduced by around 15% through various cost saving procedures and non corrupt practices, mainly giving a competitive tender for procurement of materials.

Actually, tenders are the main problem of almost every project. Laptop scheme had no tender and laptops were bought from a friend of Hamza Shahbaz (??) for more than market price.

The scrap metal from all these projects and everything, the new footpaths and railings alongside canal road etc etc.

I am still trying to find that link though, will come back when I find it.
 
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So we are all of a sudden worrying about emissions in Pakistan? I know that I prefer lower costs plus in house bus production rather than having Carbon emission worries at this moment.



I can't find the exact link right now that I saw a few months ago, but following are some salient points that I remember:

1- No tender was given out for the project. The majority of the steel was bought without tender and at higher than normal prices.

2- The project costs could have been reduced by around 15% through various cost saving procedures and non corrupt practices, mainly giving a competitive tender for procurement of materials.

Actually, tenders are the main problem of almost every project. Laptop scheme had no tender and laptops were bought from a friend of Hamza Shahbaz (??) for more than market price.

The scrap metal from all these projects and everything, the new footpaths and railings alongside canal road etc etc.

I am still trying to find that link though, will come back when I find it.

But still its some thing to cheer about damocrazy has produced in pakistan,even though may hve some crouption bt still its beneficial to middle class pakistanis?
Credit mst goes to PMLn!
 
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So we are all of a sudden worrying about emissions in Pakistan? I know that I prefer lower costs plus in house bus production rather than having Carbon emission worries at this moment.



I can't find the exact link right now that I saw a few months ago, but following are some salient points that I remember:

1- No tender was given out for the project. The majority of the steel was bought without tender and at higher than normal prices.

2- The project costs could have been reduced by around 15% through various cost saving procedures and non corrupt practices, mainly giving a competitive tender for procurement of materials.

Actually, tenders are the main problem of almost every project. Laptop scheme had no tender and laptops were bought from a friend of Hamza Shahbaz (??) for more than market price.

The scrap metal from all these projects and everything, the new footpaths and railings alongside canal road etc etc.

I am still trying to find that link though, will come back when I find it.

These Engines are not just about emmisions they are efficient engines. USD just hit 100 PKR nd for a country that import billions of Dollars of fuel every year engines with poor efficiency is not an option!!! Further more the operating cost of such engines is less hence CHEAPER transport for the POOR



And if there was NO tender how Lahore High Court managed to stop Punjab Govt from opening Tender???? :undecided::undecided:

Business and environment: LHC stops government from opening tender for Euro II buses – The Express Tribune

Come on yar, there are too many steel gaints in the country and had Pmln done such thing they would have definitely gone against it in the courts
 
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The economics behind the Lahore Metro Bus Service

According to the Punjab government, 30 billion rupees is the amount of money spent on the Lahore Metro Bus Service. The actual figure may be a lot more, but let’s just take their word for it and apply a bit of perspective to it instead.

Overall the entire allocated money for Punjab infrastructure development is Rs63 billion which means that 50% or half of the development budget of Punjab was spent in Lahore.

This excludes the cost of the numerous underpasses and overhead bridges that were built in Lahore.

Compare this Rs30 billion to the Rs16.5 billion allocated to the health sector for the entire province of Punjab. Just imagine if this same budget, allocated to the metro service was spent on the health sector instead.

A state of the art hospital like the recently developed Rawalpindi Institute of Cardiology was built within Rs2.8 billion, taking that as our benchmark, we would have been able to build 10 such hospitals with the RS30 billion spent on the Metro Bus!

An interesting perspective, right?

Compare this with the Rs25 billion development budget for education in Punjab for the current year. From this 25 billion a total of Rs5 billion was spent on giving away laptops. Although the goodwill gesture behind the act remains, pragmatism is in severe dearth. Unfortunately, the schools in this country lack basic infrastructure, sanitation and clean drinking water – laptops are a far off dream.

Some may think Punjab as a province is able to afford such shenanigans but a close look at the economic situation of the province gives a very different picture.

In these hard economic times, under the PPP government, it is Punjab that is the worst performing province.

The province’s annual average growth rate of 2.5% between 2007 and 2011 lagged far behind the 3.4% for the rest of Pakistan, according to the Lahore-based Institute of Public Policy (IPP). Over 83% of the Rs783 billion Punjab budget for the current year will be financed by federal transfers and 12% by provincial tax revenue.

The more worrying factor is that Punjab is generating very little revenue of its own and the provincial government has completely failed to address this problem, in fact it is making it worse by spending billions on projects which will further strain the treasury.

Interestingly, very little is being said about the running cost of the Metro Bus Service as the costs have not been ‘calculated yet’ but conservative estimates are that the subsidies would cost the government a minimum of Rs1 billion a year.

This project has the potential to become another state owned bleeding giant.

This is reckless spending which matches the obsessive behaviour of emperors from not so democratic times. Pakistan is set for harder times economically and the leaders are demonstrating absolutely no sense what so ever or any serious intent to address the actual problems this country faces.

I believe that the Metro Bus Service has nothing to offer this country except further economic misery.

* All figures quoted from the Punjab government site.

Read more by Faraz here, or follow him on Twitter @feeraz_khan



The economics behind the Lahore Metro Bus Service – The Express Tribune Blog


PRIORITY MATTERS and definitely the choices made by status quo show their mentality !!
 
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And if there was NO tender how Lahore High Court managed to stop Punjab Govt from opening Tender???? :undecided::undecided:

Business and environment: LHC stops government from opening tender for Euro II buses – The Express Tribune

Come on yar, there are too many steel gaints in the country and had Pmln done such thing they would have definitely gone against it in the courts

I am not talking about tenders for buses, there were also around a 100 gifted from Turkey AFAIK.

I am talking about tenders for the steel and construction material etc.
 
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ppl are talking about Metro Bus as if 30 billions have been thrown into Arabian Sea. Agree 10 hospitals can be built from the same money but the revenue of Metro Bus will enable us build 20 hospital while providing ppl cheap transport, saving time. improving tourism and reducing fuel consumption

I am not talking about tenders for buses, there were also around a 100 gifted from Turkey AFAIK.

I am talking about tenders for the steel and construction material etc.

So you think no tenders were given prior to the procurement of the material and business community never went to the court. Oh come on


and I am not sure about the buses from Turkey bcz they were old + left hand drive. I will check
 
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I am not talking about tenders for buses, there were also around a 100 gifted from Turkey AFAIK.

I am talking about tenders for the steel and construction material etc.

Even that its oky, metro starts running, for the students & for the common peoples yes its, a miricale in a country like pakistan!
Credit goes to pmln, its the frist ever mega project,after musharaf era?
 
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The economics behind the Lahore Metro Bus Service
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PRIORITY MATTERS and definitely the choices made by status quo show their mentality !!


Infrastructure (roads) is the highest priority for the regions who want to develop fast.

Regions who ignore roads and rail tend to go downhill really fast.


So yes priority matters.


Thank you
 
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Just had a dinner with someone who works in Punjab Secretariat and his current assignment is managing balance sheets and budget of BRTS. According to the insider. All the budget and balance sheets which they prepare and of course not being disclosed are quoting figure of 75-80 Billion Ruppes spent on BRTS.
 
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Infrastructure (roads) is the highest priority for the regions who want to develop fast.

Regions who ignore roads and rail tend to go downhill really fast.


So yes priority matters.


Thank you

thats the problem... yehi achi education milli hoti qoam ko tou soch faraq hoti....


Peace !
 
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It has become successful. Now the govt will close the free period after 2 days and start charging people to generate revenue. Haters are going to hate.

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thats the problem... yehi achi education milli hoti qoam ko tou soch faraq hoti....


Peace !

Education is federal government's responsibility. Higher Education Commission of Pakistan's Javid Laghari doesn't do sh!t. On other hand, there are 3 systems running in Pakistan. Madrasi, English and Urdu. Whose repsonsibility is that ?? Don't you think that should be federal govt's first priority ?
 
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thats the problem... yehi achi education milli hoti qoam ko tou soch faraq hoti....


Peace !


I respectfully disagree.

Our beatiful city of Karachi has the highest level of education (or litracy rate), and we have plenty of hospitals and schools and colleges too.


You may disagree but Karachi is dying because its arteries (transport infrastructure) are choked up since 1980s (early 80s).


Why?

Because back then, our leaders at state level and at federal level didn't foresee the need to upgrade the infrastructure of Karachi to international level.


Karachi was lacking transport infrastructure in 1980s that every successful mega city in the world had it by 1901 or at the most by first decade of 1900.


So please do not try to go for "Behas bra-ay behas" (useless back and forth discussion) and try to understand what I am saying.


Lahore too is dying a slow death due to choked arteries. Luckily SS has put in place a ring road and now this.

PML-N says they will build even bigger transportation projects in Karachi if they are elected at the national level.

But I know they will not get enough votes.

They will be lucky to survive Imran Khan in Punjab let alone go national.


And forget about Karachi.

My Urdu speaking community will again vote for the Firoun-e-Azam Altaf Mota chor, Bhatta Khore sitting on his fat @rse squarely planted in London.


And Karachi will continue suffering regardless of the fact that it has the highest level of education in the country.


Sad isn't it?
 
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