BSF lodges protest with Bangladesh; complains killing of jawan

[Hello_10]

So what are you saying? Because india says it has a NFU policy its ok for them to have nuclear weapons? Then it would be ok also for Bangladesh to develop Nuclear weapons it it also has a NFU policy, right?

The simple point is China felt threatened because USA, had the bomb, so they built one, then india had to have the bomb because, they felt threatened by china, then pakistan had to build the bomb because they felt threatened.....

india says it has the right to have nuclear weapons on the basis, that the NPT is racist and discriminates in favour of powerful nations, so if in the future Bangladesh should wish to build the bomb (when they can afford to) they should have no objection, (goose/gander).

First you would get to know what the Indian No First Use policy stands for. India and SU shared similar principles on NFU during Cold War but now Russia has withdrawn it and say, “Russia may use nuke in response to a large-scale conventional aggression.”
No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You would first read how India and SU/ Russia define their NFU policy as below:

INDIA'S NUCLEAR DOCTRINE

In essence, the draft doctrine was based on the following assumptions-
• Nuclear weapons are meant for deterrence. The basic thrust was to deter the use of nuclear weapons and not fight a nuclear war.
• Nuclear weapons are to be used only in retaliation of nuclear attack on India. Therefore the doctrine was purely defensive in nature.
• Nuclear weapons would not be used to deter the threat or use of conventional weapons, biological or chemical weapons.
• Emphasis on 'minimum credible deterrence' would avoid any unnecessary arms race
Chanakya Code : SD Pradhan's blog-The Times Of India

In accordance with its policy at the Conference on Disarmament (CD) in February 2008, India formally proposed two multilateral agreements and two global conventions in a detailed framework for nuclear disarmament and laid the seven point agenda for:

1. Reduction of the salience of nuclear weapons in security doctrines.
2. Negotiation of an agreement on no-first use of nuclear weapons among nuclear weapons states.
3. Negotiation of a universal and legally binding agreement on non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons states.
4. Negotiation of a convention on the complete prohibition of the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons.
5. Negotiation of a nuclear convention prohibiting development, stockpiling and production of nuclear weapons, moving towards a global, non-discriminatory and verifiable elimination of these weapons.
6. Unequivocal commitment of all nuclear weapons states to reduce risks and dangers arising from the possibility of accidental use of these weapons.
7. Adoption of additional measures by nuclear states to reduce accidental use.
Chanakya Code : SD Pradhan's blog-The Times Of India

And from here, first you would get an overall idea where the Indian nuclear policy stands as below:

In June 2008, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh “restated” India's policy as, “fully committed to nuclear disarmament that is global, universal and non-discriminatory in nature."

Chanakya Code : SD Pradhan's blog-The Times Of India

And from here, you may confirm from the senior Pakistani journalists here that during 1998 nuclear test by Pakistan, India cleared that, “as a non NPT signatory, India support nuclear test by Pakistan.” I mean, Indian government made ‘official’ statement that Pakistan has right to have nuclear weapons if they are threatened by nuclear holding by other nations. And until the whole world gets ready for nuclear disarmament, Pakistan may also keep nuclear weapons, if they want.

And, in my previous post, I clearly said that India would keep nukes for few decades only (may be for 2-3 decades) and agree the whole world to remove nuclear weapons. It was in response to that Bangladeshi gentleman who said that Bangladesh may build nuclear weapons by 2030 to 2050 and I said, why don’t we fix these dates to remove nuclear weapons in place of putting the whole world on a bigger nuclear threat when many other small countries will have build nuclear weapons? As, if Bangladesh then why not Burma also as they have fought in past? I clearly mean to say that nuclear weapons of India would also be removed by 2030 to 2050 but we need to keep this until the whole world gets ready to do the same otherwise the colonial powers will threaten us and keep blackmailing, isnt it?

 

[Hello_10]

Thats because growing middle class of bangladesh! Beef, chicken and fish are favourite bengali diet. We get fish from rivers and sea, chicken from farms, But there is not enough place for cow farm! So cow price is almost 3 times higher in Bangladesh than India....

This is the reason of Smuggling! Boths Indian and Bangladeshis are involved in this.......Indians bring them from places like Rajsthan and sell cow to BDs who sell them in Bangladesh with large profit.

Most of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi members appreciate China for its excellent economic performance but they don’t want to practice the same in their country. And when other countries get problems and make angry statements, then they say why?

China is the country which has crushed/ removed extremists from their country while Pakistani rulers/ their military, used militants as their first defense against other countries. US used to support Pakistan a lot till 1989/90 and their support started falling down when they got news that Indian Kashmir, which was one of the most peaceful region of the world till 1989, was sent militants from Pakistan which resulted in loss of over 20,000 of lives there. Many of the leaders of those militants working in Indian Kashmir had performed excellent in Afghan against SU and after fall of SU in Afghan in 1989, those militants then targeted Indian Kashmir backed by Pakistan’s military. (For example Iliyas Kashmiri who first performed excellent against SU and then he came to Kashmir and got listed as one of the most wanted terrorist in India and used to be medaled by Mr Musharraf.) and when the same militants like Iliyas Kashmiri got listed by US from 9/11 2001, US targeted sanctuaries of militants based in its long term ally Pakistan. But when it was found that even OBL was getting protection by Pak’s intelligent, now US is completely against Pakistan. And when few young people show their anger here for the things happened in past, now Pakistan’s 'think tank' want to find why?

Ilyas Kashmiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ilyas Kashmiri, also referred to as Maulana Ilyas Kashmiri[1] and Muhammad Ilyas Kashmiri[2] (10 February 1964[3] – 3 June 2011[4][5]), was a senior al-Qaeda member and leader of the Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (HUJI)[6] He was also connected with the Soviet-Afghan war, the Kashmir conflict and attacks against India, Pakistan and the United States.

Kashmiri hailed from the Mirpur District[3] of Azad Kashmir in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. According to several sources, he became a member of the elite Pakistani Special Service Group,[7][11][12] although in an interview he denied this.[3] Kashmiri also spent a year studying communications at the Allama Iqbal Open University.[3]

He was an active participant in the 1980s Soviet-Afghan War, training the Afghan mujahideen in mine warfare in Miranshah on behalf of Pakistan.[7] During the fighting he lost an eye and an index finger.[7][13] He continued his militant activities in Kashmir after the war as a member of Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HuJI), though disagreements with leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar several years after initially joining in 1991 led Kashmiri to establish his own new unit within HuJI known as the 313 Brigade.[7][14]

During the mid-1990s, Kashmiri and Nasrullah Mansoor Langrial were near Poonch when they were seized by the Indian Army and sent to prison, where he would spend the next two years before escaping and returning to Pakistan.[7] Upon his return Kashmiri continued to conduct operations against India, once reportedly being rewarded personally with Rs. 1,00,000 (US$1,164.24) by then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf for presenting the decapitated head of an Indian army soldier to him.[7][15] Pictures of Kashmiri with the head of the soldier in his hands were published in some Pakistani newspapers.[15]

Similarly, Bangladeshis are also fan of China’s progress but they don’t want to adopt those policies which helped China get progress. China did heavy investments in its infrastructure and reduced its population by “One Child Policy” and now China is categorized as an ‘Upper Middle Income Country’ and hopefully they will become High Income country by 2020 also while per capita income of China was much less than India and Pakistan till 1989, since when Indian Kashmir got caught with terrorism. Bangladesh has to learn enough from Pakistan and China both, with keeping example of Pakistan to learn how its per capita income was much higher than China till 1988 but just because of their support to militancy, has brought Pakistan to their current status. while China adopted “one child policy”/ removed extremists from China, and made heavy investments in its infrastructure and today China is a leader in this world. India is facing big challenge from the inflow of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh which they believe because of over population of Bangladesh which force them to go to India and it then create enough problems for India. Neither Bangladesh grow enough food for its big population nor they can manufacture enough products for them by themselves, all they import, but they have no control on their over population.

and the result is, Indian members here are angry with their these two unsuccessful neighbors who neither have any intentions to get higher progress nor they want India to get similar progress as China also. From one side India face cross border terrorism then from other side threats of smugglers who try to send fake currency to India, and also with heavy inflow of illegal Bangladeshi migrants who are first a problem for Bangladesh itself and then they come to India to create problems here.

In nationwide raids, India's National Investigation Agency (NIA) has arrested 14 people and smashed an international racket which involved in the smuggling and distribution of fake Indian currency notes being supplied by Pakistani agents through the porous Indo-Bangla and Indo-Nepal borders.

http://businessworld.in/businessworld/content/Fake-Curency-Note-Racket.html

 

[golmaal]

Bangladesh needs to go nuclear otherwise they will be swallowed by the western regime.

Yea. same goes for Vietnam, Philippines including Taiwan..

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

dada i dont think this is the truth
BSF jawans were fighting each other
now they r blaming cow smugglers
cow smugglers r poor village people
they dont have the courage 2 attack BSF

They have caught some of them thats the proof....

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

lol, is this news actually indian modified version of BSF fired on BSF member yesterday?? I read it today in our local newspaper. please some one prove that BSF shooting BSF was a separate incident!

lol the report says injured from stones and kicks , and not from bullet.....u and ur fancy story is similar to like OBL is not in PAK and OBL didn't attack buildings

 

[Hello_10]

lol the report says injured from stones and kicks , and not from bullet.....u and ur fancy story is similar to like OBL is not in PAK and OBL didn't attack buildings

o ok so this is the reason, then here, it is no doubt that, that certain military person was deserved to be killed

he can't defend himself from the people belonging to other side of border, because few of them might be criminals/ smugglers? how will they defend border from enemies?

those who can die, must die

 

[Hello_10]

Most of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi members appreciate China for its excellent economic performance but they don’t want to practice the same in their country. And when other countries get problems and make angry statements, then they say why?

China is the country which has crushed/ removed extremists from their country while Pakistani rulers/ their military, used militants as their first defense against other countries. US used to support Pakistan a lot till 1989/90 and their support started falling down when they got news that Indian Kashmir, which was one of the most peaceful region of the world till 1989, was sent militants from Pakistan which resulted in loss of over 20,000 of lives there. Many of the leaders of those militants working in Indian Kashmir had performed excellent in Afghan against SU and after fall of SU in Afghan in 1989, those militants then targeted Indian Kashmir backed by Pakistan’s military. (For example Iliyas Kashmiri who first performed excellent against SU and then he came to Kashmir and got listed as one of the most wanted terrorist in India and used to be medaled by Mr Musharraf.) and when the same militants like Iliyas Kashmiri got listed by US from 9/11 2001, US targeted sanctuaries of militants based in its long term ally Pakistan. But when it was found that even OBL was getting protection by Pak’s intelligent, now US is completely against Pakistan. And when few young people show their anger here for the things happened in past, now Pakistan’s 'think tank' want to find why?



Similarly, Bangladeshis are also fan of China’s progress but they don’t want to adopt those policies which helped China get progress. China did heavy investments in its infrastructure and reduced its population by “One Child Policy” and now China is categorized as an ‘Upper Middle Income Country’ and hopefully they will become High Income country by 2020 also while per capita income of China was much less than India and Pakistan till 1989, since when Indian Kashmir got caught with terrorism. Bangladesh has to learn enough from Pakistan and China both, with keeping example of Pakistan to learn how its per capita income was much higher than China till 1988 but just because of their support to militancy, has brought Pakistan to their current status. while China adopted “one child policy”/ removed extremists from China, and made heavy investments in its infrastructure and today China is a leader in this world. India is facing big challenge from the inflow of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh which they believe because of over population of Bangladesh which force them to go to India and it then create enough problems for India. Neither Bangladesh grow enough food for its big population nor they can manufacture enough products for them by themselves, all they import, but they have no control on their over population.

and the result is, Indian members here are angry with their these two unsuccessful neighbors who neither have any intentions to get higher progress nor they want India to get similar progress as China also. From one side India face cross border terrorism then from other side threats of smugglers who try to send fake currency to India, and also with heavy inflow of illegal Bangladeshi migrants who are first a problem for Bangladesh itself and then they come to India to create problems here.

Long time before, a gentleman was on the post of PM and visited Pakistan by bus with a hope that it may help to build confidence, but the result was, just within a month of that bus visit, militants were sent to occupy those Indian mountains which Indian military leaves in winter. and that war to get those mountains back caused death of over 4000 people, including 700+ Indian military personnel, + similar number of Pakistani military, + over 2000 misguide militants lost their lives who were sent to those mountains, including 600+ civilians. And after that war, that gentleman concluded that, "We can change history but not geography. We can change our friends but not our neighbours".

That time I was very young and tried to think the ideal neighbors of India, then with keeping Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Nepal, I would like to bring Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Argentina + Brazil, South Africa, and Kazakhstan, a touch with Tibet and a direct land / road link with Russia. But, what the gentleman has said above, because of geographical reasons we have to live with our current neighbors, no other options.

Here, my imagination of these dreamed neighbors was also based on one statement of a top political personality of Russia who visited India in early 90s and said that a land/ road link between Russia and India is possible, we just have to dream for that and work in that direction with a determination when the opportunity arrives

(He was answering the question, “Why couldn’t the SU get enough time to build a direct land link with India while map of SU was very close to Kashmir if we add the pak's part with Indian Kashmir, while SU also controlled Afghan for over 7 years? And he answered, you will get the right opportunity, if you have passions.)

I was very young during those times but too many things I still remember while I had left India around 10 years before…………….

 

[Abingdonboy]

Tragic loss of life. These guys (and everyone serving their nation in this way) are true heroes. ROEs need to be improved because this $hit can't happen. Where were the BSF's back up? Their QRT ( I know for a fact each sector along the borders protected by BSF/ITBP have dedicated, highly trained and well armed QRTs)?

 

[Hello_10]

Long time before, a gentleman was on the post of PM and visited Pakistan by bus with a hope that it may help to build confidence, but the result was, just within a month of that bus visit, militants were sent to occupy those Indian mountains which Indian military leaves in winter. and that war to get those mountains back caused death of over 4000 people, including 700+ Indian military personnel, + similar number of Pakistani military, + over 2000 misguide militants lost their lives who were sent to those mountains, including 600+ civilians. And after that war, that gentleman concluded that, "We can change history but not geography. We can change our friends but not our neighbours".

That time I was very young and tried to think the ideal neighbors of India, then with keeping Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Nepal, I would like to bring Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Argentina + Brazil, South Africa, and Kazakhstan, a touch with Tibet and a direct land / road link with Russia. But, what the gentleman has said above, because of geographical reasons we have to live with our current neighbors, no other options.

Here, my imagination of these dreamed neighbors was also based on one statement of a top political personality of Russia who visited India in early 90s and said that a land/ road link between Russia and India is possible, we just have to dream for that and work in that direction with a determination when the opportunity arrives

(He was answering the question, “Why couldn’t the SU get enough time to build a direct land link with India while map of SU was very close to Kashmir if we add the pak's part with Indian Kashmir, while SU also controlled Afghan for over 7 years? And he answered, you will get the right opportunity, if you have passions.)

I was very young during those times but too many things I still remember while I had left India around 10 years before…………….

Here we go, I could search the net and find out that gentleman of Russia. I do remember an article of Rashtriya Sahar hindi news paper about ‘coward-ness’ of that time Indian ruling party when it remained silent on the statement of Mr Vladimir V. Zhirinovsky, the man who has support of over 2/3 majority of India but even the Indian ruling party didn’t have 50% majority in central and was supported by few independents to rule India. Few newspapers of India said that Mr N Rao ‘paid’ few MPs to get support in central but the man who had support of over 2/3 majority of India, Mr Vladimir V. Zhirinovsky, was ignored during his visit to India.

(Mr N Rao was charged for paying few MPs to get 50% number in Indian parliament.)

Anyway, I do remember too many things of early to late 90s, Im too surprised……………………….

Russian Opposition Leader Opens Old Wounds on Visit to India

Published: March 9, 1995

NEW DELHI, March 8— On his first visit to the Indian subcontinent, the Russian nationalist leader, Vladimir V. Zhirinovsky, was strongly criticized by Pakistan and Bangladesh today for remarks in which he said that he opposed the "artifical division of any country" and that India should be restored to its pre-independence unity, which would include Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Mr. Zhirinovsky also denounced the Russian Government and President Boris N. Yeltsin for Moscow's arms reduction agreements with the United States, and said the weapons Russia is destroying should be sent to India instead.

"I am against any artificial division of any country, as it leads to loss of life and bloodshed," the Russian opposition leader said today at a news conference. Mr. Zhirinovsky, a foe of Mr. Yeltsin, has called for Moscow to reclaim the former Soviet republics that declared their independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

India, although reportedly embarrassed by the visitor's remarks, has maintained a silence on them. Mr. Zhirinovsky, who ended his three-day visit today, was the guest of the Government, along with several lawmakers from his nationalistic Liberal Democratic Party.

During his visit, Mr. Zhirinovsky backed India's position on the disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir and said that if he came to power, he would restore relations between Moscow and New Delhi to their earlier primacy. He also offered large supplies of arms and military hardware on easy terms should he become President.

"We should strengthen India's defense for our own sakes," he told India Today, a news magazine, in an interview.

"Look at these fools in Moscow disbanding so many tanks, fighters, bombers and battleships and missiles under American pressure," Mr. Zhirinovsky said. "Instead, if they have any sense in their drunken heads, they should send them all to India, free."

Russian Opposition Leader Opens Old Wounds on Visit to India - NYTimes.com

Pamulaparti Venkata Narasimha Rao were when he served as India's ninth Prime Minster from 1991-1996

In Sept., 2000, Rao was convicted of conspiring to buy votes in parliament prior to a 1993 no-confidence vote; he was sentenced to three years in prison.

http://www.ceeby.com/people/PVNarasimhaRao.cfm