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British reduced India to one of the poorest countries: Shashi Tharoor

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I have just proved China despite being colonized by 8 colonial power was unified by the colonial powers with Taiwan and Hong Kong being exception.

Hence the same might have happened for India

While in India's case the British attempts to divide and conquer were partially successful.

What actually saved China from complete British domination was its geographic proximity to Russia and Japan, which ensured no British dominance and hence even more allowed the entry of other colonial powers into China:
1. Italy
2. Belgium
3. Austro-Hungarian empire
4. Germany
5. USA

I know this must be hard to accept, but China owes its current existence to benign liberation of the 8-nation alliance nations.

But China was only invaded, not divided and colonized like Africa. Or just completely colonized by Britain. The one reason China was not colonized was because China had a strong single government almost up until WWI. When Britain was colonizing India, India was a just a geographical expression with various kingdoms and empire, much like Africa. As a result, India was completely conquered, just like Africa.
 
But China was only invaded, not divided and colonized like Africa. Or just completely colonized by Britain. The one reason China was not colonized was because China had a strong single government almost up until WWI. When Britain was colonizing India, India was a just a geographical expression with various kingdoms and empire, much like Africa. As a result, India was completely conquered, just like Africa.
Modern lands consisting of PRC was Qing empire colony prior to 8 nation alliance liberation

Lands consisting of modern China was always united by foreign colonizers like Qing and Yuan

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Qing empire

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Modern PRC

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So history repeated itself with 8 nation alliance forming modern PRC.
 
A Han Chinese claiming Manchu to be part of Chinese is like Armenians claiming Turks to be Armenians

But then again China even claims Mongols to be Chinese, so no surprises here

China consists of Han, Manchu, Mongols, Zuang, Hmong, Uighers, Tibetans, etc. That is how China is put together.

India consist of Brahmins (priests), Kshatriya (those with governing functions) and Vaishya (agriculturalists, cattle rearers and traders. Plus Sudra and the untouchables, which are too poor to be on this forum. That is how India is put together. The Muslims and Christians are no longer Indians under current government.
 
China consists of Han, Manchu, Mongols, Zuang, Hmong, Uighers, Tibetans, etc. That is how China is put together.

India consist of Brahmins (priests), Kshatriya (those with governing functions) and Vaishya (agriculturalists, cattle rearers and traders. Plus Sudra and the untouchables, which are too poor to be on this forum. That is how India is put together. The Muslims and Christians are no longer Indians under current government.

As per PRC only Han are Chinese, that why only Hans dominate CCP not other ethnic groups
 
Ship Builders of South India were the greatest ever ship builders.

Eh... that's debatable. Greatest ever in India maybe. We Vikings, with not but our Longships and Knaars and burly men sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, colonizing Iceland, Greenland and Canada along the way.

Our raiders beat Columbus by 500 years to North America.

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Our ship Fram took man to both the North and South pole - the Norwegians were the world's first to set foot on both.

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Gjøa was the first to sail the Northwest Passage's frozen waters.

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Sure you guys might have made a good ship, the Chinese and British did too, but the world's best?

We Norwegians will fight you for that title.
 
Eh... that's debatable. Greatest ever in India maybe. We Vikings, with not but our Longships and Knaars and burly men sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, colonizing Iceland, Greenland and Canada along the way.

Our raiders beat Columbus by 500 years to North America.

Viking-longship-2.jpg


Our ship Fram took man to both the North and South pole - the Norwegians were the world's first to set foot on both.

Fram02.JPG


800px-Fram_Skipet.jpg


Gjøa was the first to sail the Northwest Passage's frozen waters.

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Sure you guys might have made a good ship, the Chinese and British did too, but the world's best?

We Norwegians will fight you for that title.

When it comes to bragging, Indians are the best in the world. You will never win

As per PRC only Han are Chinese, that why only Hans dominate CCP not other ethnic groups
That is completely false. What is true though is that Brahmins are the highest caste.
 
When it comes to bragging, Indians are the best in the world. You will never win
What can we Indians do? India's founding father was such a big mouth braggart, who bragged of sending ten million Indian women to USA to perform roles similar to that of "comfort women"

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That is completely false. What is true though is that Brahmins are the highest caste.

Its completely true, when was the last we had Tibetan CCP leader or Uighur CCP leader it was always Han only.

Tibetans and Uighur are treated like colonial inhabitants just like how Manchus treated Han in Qing empire.
 
What can we Indians do? India's founding father was such a big mouth braggart, who bragged of sending ten million Indian women to USA to perform roles similar to that of "comfort women"

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Its completely true, when was the last we had Tibetan CCP leader or Uighur CCP leader it was always Han only.

Tibetans and Uighur are treated like colonial inhabitants just like how Manchus treated Han in Qing empire.

So you take that conversation seriously. You are a sad, sad Indian. The mistreatment of India women or no joke though. That is well known.

Let's get back to the topic about how Britain created India. This thread is about how the father of superpower India created India.
 
They are special administrative regions.

Just because they where colonial territories ruled by different colonial powers doesn't make them countries.

Like Goa or pondicherry.
For Goa Portuguese went to war with India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

For Hong Kong British wanted to nuke China

UK pondered China nuclear attack
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Hong Kong was considered vulnerable to a Chinese attack
The UK wanted China to know the nuclear strength of the US could be unleashed if the Chinese attacked Hong Kong, previously secret papers show.
In 1961 the UK felt nuclear retaliation was the only alternative to abandoning its colony if China attacked.

Officials wanted "to encourage" China to believe nuclear action against it would follow any hostile action, papers released by the National Archives show.

Britain handed Hong Kong back to China in 1997 having held it since 1842.

The letters, circulated to prime minister Harold Macmillan, were written between 1957 and 1961 when concern was growing about China's intentions.

Hong Kong was thought to be vulnerable, particularly as water and food supplies, from the mainland, could be cut off at any time.

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Our object is to encourage the Chinese to believe than an attack on Hong Kong would involve US nuclear retaliation
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Harold Watkinson
Minister of Defence, 1961
The letters do not say who initially suggested the nuclear option, but they do show that British officials were keen for the Chinese to be aware of the threat while not giving the impression that Hong Kong was an American military outpost.

Defence minister Harold Watkinson wrote to the foreign secretary and prime minister, saying: "Our object is to encourage the Chinese to believe than an attack on Hong Kong would involve US nuclear retaliation."

Foreign Secretary Sir Alec Douglas-Home wrote a "top secret" letter to Mr Watkinson and Mr Macmillan in February 1961.

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He wrote: "It must be fully obvious to the Americans that Hong Kong is indefensible by conventional means and that in the event of a Chinese attack, nuclear strikes against China would be the only alternative to complete abandonment of the colony.

"In these circumstances it is perhaps not so much formal staff talks with the Americans that we need so much as an informal exchange of views involving a discussion of the use of nuclear strikes.

"I need hardly say, however, that I agree entirely with your view that while we should encourage the Chinese to believe that an attack on Hong Kong would involve nuclear retaliation, we must avoid anything that would allow the Chinese to claim that the Colony is a military outpost of the United States."

Secret meetings between British and American officials were held in Hawaii with the possibility of further meetings on board a US naval carrier during its frequent visits to Hong Kong.

However, the idea stalled after Admiral Harry Felt, the commander of the US Pacific Fleet, responded cautiously when it was put to him.

Any further response from the US at the time was not included in the National Archives file.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_politics/5130524.stm



Their small size doesn't change the significance of that region being a colonial territory to the colonial power.


So you take that conversation seriously. You are a sad, sad Indian. The mistreatment of India women or no joke though. That is well known.

You consider a national founding father's conversation on such a serious topic insignificant

Despite the stigma associated to comfort women in China?

You must be a blushing Chinese

What happened in Nanking was no joke, your attempts to trivialize it are not surprising, given you probably approve of what Japanese, the former colonial rulers of Taiwan did.

Guess its your Taiwanese ethno-centric bias is acting up again
 
A wife killer, hard to believe this guy
 
Somebody please tell this Shashoo there was no India when the British came. There was however a Moghul Empire which was Muslim empire - a group that Indian's revel on targeting and blaming Muslim's for their ills. Now all of sudden the Muslim's were benefators of Hindus and had them living it 'good' ......

Contradictions after contradictions !
 
culturally Muslims rulers were closer to Hindus than the British
It took a while for the British to influence India
Just So

The dominant empires in the subcontinent prior to British rule were Maratha and Sikh

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Just So

The dominant empires in the subcontinent prior to British rule were Maratha and Sikh

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I am not saying Muslims are better or kinder. British brought radical ideas for several centuries leading to India of today
 
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