Brig Khan Plotted To Seize Power, Says Major

[Ignited Mind]

SRF and Police, hell of a difference.
That's like comparing the SSG with paintball junkies, they both hold guns but are leagues apart.

Even if I grant you the benefit of doubt, what about the other 9 points?

You do know that out of those 9, onlythe first point, of a weak economy, alone was enough to cause the demise of the erstwhile USSR, don't you?

 

[Icarus]

Even if I grant you the benefit of doubt, what about the other 9 points?

You do know that out of those 9, onlythe first point, of a weak economy, alone was enough to cause the demise of the erstwhile USSR, don't you?

Indeed, however, I must also point out that:

1) We are a semi-agrarian economy, whereas returns are limited, a complete collapse is highly unlikely.
2) The collapse of USSR was on mutually agreed basis between Russia and the successor states, they could have continued if they wanted to but chose to dissolve the federation on a good note. Whereas there is no such plan in Pakistan.

 

[fd24]

And yet we still live on! That's the point my friend, we have become impervious to challenges. The Army is a secular institution, there is no way for a fundee to make it to the nukes. Secondly the Nukes are guarded by a separate force altogether. The men from the SRF are put through numerous physicist examinations to bring to light any behavioural recurrence that may be of consequence in the future.

Why do you bother debating with internet global warriors dude?
We are blessed with these warriors who have had plenty of experience - they come from a nation that has army leaders that tell the world most of their hardware is incredibly cr*p - its almost extinct. Apparantly if they were to have a war they have only 2 days worth of ammunation. Every off topic point they bring to the table can be used to refer to their own nation
I wish they looked in their own back garden when discussing our army leaders - they appoint a moronic fool that single hand has had the ability to humiliate their army - bribes, crap equipment and crap precurement - and all in a week?
Our nukes are not going anywhere - Indian leaders know that - hence will be good little boys - unlike retarded global warriors that keep suggesting denuclearized. Keep dreaming coz it aint going to happen.

 

[lem34]

Lemme guess:

1. An economy having a 'near-death experience'.

2. A weak and bloated civilian leadership.

3. A war ravaged country.

4. A terrorism torn security scenario.

5. An extremism ridden society with extremists possibly in the security forces as well.

6. A fractious Army already overstretched beyond its capabilities and with a history of coups and infighting.

7. A resurgent Mullah class.

8. A disparaged middle class burdened by incessant inflation, power shortage, gas shortage.

9. Gangwars in political parties.

10. Resurgent insurgency in the biggest province waiting to explode.

...all in all an explosive mix of a country.

You talking about India. Please read this link all of the above could be said about India. ps this article was written by an Indian


http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/169383-zillion-reasons-escape-india.html

Mark my words... pakistan's nukes will in time fall into extremist's hands. Pakistan should be denuclearized asap.

admit it you indians have trouble sleeping knowing Pakistan have nukes. Pakistani nukes are Indian specific whoever has them lol.

Anyway go to sleep.

Why don't you denuclearize first and we will happily follow suite

yea I am worried about Hindutva remember some Indian army officers were implicated in train terrorism. India is the centre of Hindutva terrorism and it is more likely their nukes rather than Pakistani nukes which dont even work will fall into terrorist hands.

Oh and we have the same source bbc

BBC NEWS | South Asia | India nuclear test 'did not work'

You get very sensitive when historical facts are pointed out to you. Turning a blind eye to it does not make you a responsible citizen. You may think you are getting one over the rest of us here. But your countries history with multiple coups by its military is " documented" - Besides last time I checked the man was arrested by your own govt for treason and high crimes. So why get so sensitive when the obvious is pointed out to you?

at least our Generals dont say we have only two days ammo. Either he is a liar or they are incompetent and corrupt and spent all money on bribes.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/168530-no-ammo-air-defence-obsolete-army-chief-pm.html

 

[Ignited Mind]

You talking about India. Please read this link all of the above could be said about India. ps this article was written by an Indian


http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/169383-zillion-reasons-escape-india.html



admit it you indians have trouble sleeping knowing Pakistan have nukes. Pakistani nukes are Indian specific whoever has them lol.

Anyway go to sleep.



yea I am worried about Hindutva remember some Indian army officers were implicated in train terrorism. India is the centre of Hindutva terrorism and it is more likely their nukes rather than Pakistani nukes which dont even work will fall into terrorist hands.

Oh and we have the same source bbc

BBC NEWS | South Asia | India nuclear test 'did not work'



at least our Generals dont say we have only two days ammo. Either he is a liar or they are incompetent and corrupt and spent all money on bribes.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/168530-no-ammo-air-defence-obsolete-army-chief-pm.html

Pick someone your size, honey.

 

[notsuperstitious]

All is well, if you believe A Q Khan single handedly ran a nuclear wall-mart without getting caught. When I say single handedly, I don't mean a figure of speech, I mean only one person, literally. No seriously, thats true, ask ANYONE on this thread, I swear!

So yes, as I was saying ignore the 50$ bollywood script and go back to believing whatever you intelligent folk choose to believe

 

[Awesome]

Everyone who questions the PA ends up as a Hizb-ut-Tahrir supporter? Wow PA just met its mortal enemy in HuT huh? What a laught.

Brig Ali Khan got retired somewhere in April. After the May 2 operation happened, he went around asking questions "How did the Americans get through without anyone noticing? Who let them through? What was the exchange of communication between the choppers and the ATC? Were the PAF scrambled? Did they have them lock?

All this is something that the powers that be want hushed up. Brig Ali Khan a clean shaven person all his life, really doesn't seem like a HuT nutjob and the entire testimony is of this dubious major who said "I heard him say I will get an F-16 to bomb GHQ", what the hell man? PAF main sahi annhi machi hui hai kya? How can anyone possibly get that done?

Second thing, PA refuses to try him a retired officer in a civilian court. Why? He was arrested in June/July so after several months of his retirement they revoked it and said "Aha now you're a military man again and now you face a military court martial", idhar annhi zaroor machi hui hai.

I just say one thing. If PA leaders are not lying, try him in civilian court. If he planned to attack GHQ, thats very bad, and he should be tried and sentenced accordingly, but since the issue is that PA leaders itself come under some accusations which Brig was investigating, they themselves cannot try their adversary. It is bodhu pana and a farce if such a thing takes place, we need a competent civilian court to try him where he would be on the stand and even the GHQ leaders.

 

[nescafe]

Lemme guess:

1. An economy having a 'near-death experience'.

2. A weak and bloated civilian leadership.

3. A war ravaged country.

4. A terrorism torn security scenario.

5. An extremism ridden society with extremists possibly in the security forces as well.

6. A fractious Army already overstretched beyond its capabilities and with a history of coups and infighting.

7. A resurgent Mullah class.

8. A disparaged middle class burdened by incessant inflation, power shortage, gas shortage.

9. Gangwars in political parties.

10. Resurgent insurgency in the biggest province waiting to explode.

...all in all an explosive mix of a country.

YOU KNOW THE COUNTRY I AM FROM....WE ARE IMMUNED TO **** UPS....SO AS FAR AS INDIA IS CONCERNED...WE CAN BLOW YOU UP ON YOUR FACE!!

 

[JayAtl]

I was merely replying to Shiv who thinks that the arrest of this one man is a good enough excuse for the denuclearization of Pakistan. Yes, we have had coups but none of the Generals has been a crackpot who would hand nukes to terrorists so that they can wreak havoc with them. If you think that by watching Agent Vinod, all of a sudden my friend there has a grasp of the inner workings of the Pakistani intelligence and military hierarchy, then he needs help.......and fast!





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Actually you were explaining the absurdity( you thought) of how an F16 could not have been used in the plan, because it would need several characters to be in cahoots. I was pointing about your history of coups, showing many such past cohorts and you went ballistic with India this and that. Would you consider this brig general to be a crackpot?

 

[baqai]

we have experience fighter pilots on this forums i am sure they would shed some light on this subject but to me it sounds absurd that one can get a F-16 with live bombs to take off and drop bombs on GHQ ..

 

[Ignited Mind]

Indeed, however, I must also point out that:

1) We are a semi-agrarian economy, whereas returns are limited, a complete collapse is highly unlikely.

I don't think that's correct. Pakistan's is an economy dominated by the export-oriented textile industry and it's no surprise that lack of electricity etc. is seriously hampering the textile industry among other industries. The rest of the damage is caused by Pakistan's FTA with China which was an entirely silly move on the part of Pakistanis. I mean C'mon! didn't you know that the Chinese were going to flood your markets, which is already happening?

2) The collapse of USSR was on mutually agreed basis between Russia and the successor states, they could have continued if they wanted to but chose to dissolve the federation on a good note. Whereas there is no such plan in Pakistan.

Not yet. What you're talking about was reached at the later stages. Pakistan still hasn't reached that stage, I agree. However, if Pakistan doesn't mend its ways, then anything is possible and with nuclear weapons at stake, the dangers are sky high.

 

[bandit]

Asim Aquil's assertion seem probable, maybe he is being wrongly accused to cover-up some misdoing by the PA.

He isn't even allowed access to his lwayer. Smells like a cover up of something big the Brig discovered.

What he discovered is anybody's guess, as he hasn't been allowed to make public statements.

Any body wanna guess what this is all about?

Rawalpindi, April 2: The detained brigadier on Monday boycotted the proceedings of the military court after he was allegedly denied access to his counsel.

The brigadier is facing charges of sedition and having links with the proscribed outfit Hizbut Tahrir (HuT).
Detained brigadier boycotts court proceedings | Provinces | DAWN.COM

EDIT: Seems he did make a statement, he contends he is being charged to cover up the responsibility of May 2 incident.

He apparently asked for Military brass to give up its perks and defend Pakistan's sovereignty...doesn't appear to have gone down very well with the PA leadership.

Giving reasons against his court martial Brig Ali, in his petition, has said that he is being maligned because he had asked the military brass to fix responsibility for the May 2 raid by US special forces in Abbottabad that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.
“It was on May 5 that I urged the military’s highest hierarchy to fix responsibility for the US attack. I suggested the army leadership surrender their perks and privileges to get self-reliance. After the conference I was arrested and kept in solitary confinement,” the petitioner said.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/347141/...torney-expresses-distrust-in-the-trial-judge/

 

[Awesome]

we have experience fighter pilots on this forums i am sure they would shed some light on this subject but to me it sounds absurd that one can get a F-16 with live bombs to take off and drop bombs on GHQ ..

To top if off, if Brig. Khan's story is true and he was inquiring about someone in the GHQ aiding the American attack on Abottabad, then he sort of becomes a hero who is being falsely accused as an HuT and now serving jail for it.

 

[OrionHunter]

The first allegation states that Brigadier Khan had admitted on various occasions to links with the HuT between 2008 and 2011.

The second allegation in the charge sheet stated that Brig Khan was conspiring to topple the government of Pakistan and for this purpose was trying to coax other senior army officers into joining him. The officers include, Brigadier Amir Riaz, head of the 111 Brigade, Brigadier Naeem Sadiq of the Defence Export Promotion Organisation and Air Defence Command Brigadier Mohammad Amin.

The third charge against Brig Khan was that of trying to instigate a mutiny within the army by launching an attack on the GHQ.

If proven guilty on all counts, the brigadier could be sentenced to death. He will also face a court martial in the officer’s unit of origin, in Multan.

Did he know too much? Is there an attempt being made to silence him in order to hide some uncomfortable truths about the Osama raid? Now this is getting to be one big potboiler!

 

[Awesome]

Asim Aquil's assertion seem probable, maybe he is being wrongly accused to cover-up some misdoing by the PA.

He isn't even allowed access to his lwayer. Smells like a cover up of something big the Brig discovered.

What he discovered is anybody's guess, as he hasn't been allowed to make public statements.

Any body wanna guess what this is all about?




EDIT: Seems he did make a statement, he contends he is being charged to cover up the responsibility of May 2 incident.

He apparently asked for Military brass to give up its perks and defend Pakistan's sovereignty...doesn't appear to have gone down very well with the PA leadership.


Court martial: Brig Ali

I was speculating based upon his statement and those of his lawyer and the way the entire trial has been carried out.

There's a joke going around about the GHQ leaders, they come everyday to GHQ just for the golf and afternoon tea. I think he must have said that to their face.

He was retired now, it was his right as a Pakistani citizen to question the performance of the military.

They revoked his retirement conveniently and said aha now we can try you in military court because the civilian court has been embarrassing the military institutions again and again.

This is Brig Ali Khan, where is the atypical big beard that you would associate with such an extremist Mullah?

The entire case rests upon the testimony of the major.