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BRICS countries, A powerful group of the world : China Daily

Hi,

First of all Pakistan managed have rock solid defence tie-up wit US for 60+ years and yet so close to China. Does that tell you something.

Secondly, if you have even the slightest of incination towards a opinion that India will form ANY kind of alliance with US (aka Pakistan), you cannot be more wrong. The emphasis on a multi-polar world from all the emerging economics is very edident and very relevant in today's world. The world order is slowly changing, in case you have not noticed. The age old notion of geo-politics is not going to be the norm of 21st century and it is really great news that all who are concerned have realized the same, sooner then later.

It is upto the other aspiring nations and its Govt/citizens to decide whether they are going to stick to the old guns or they want to ride the change, lest be left behind. As below_freezing had pointed out, all and sundry are welcome to gain from new found wisdom, our experiences, our successes and our failures.

Cheers. :cheers:

I agree. I was refuting the concept that there is some joint brotherhood against the 'mighty whitey'. Each country is looking out for itself, and will act accordingly.

BRICS is just a formalization of an ad hoc alliance that existed anyway between fast developing countries on issues like climate change, etc. On common issues, these countries would cooperate regardless -- with or without BRICS. Conversely, if national interests dictate otherwise, BRICS will be ignored in favor of alliances with the West.
 
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I agree. I was refuting the concept that there is some joint brotherhood against the 'mighty whitey'. Each country is looking out for itself, and will act accordingly.

BRICS is just a formalization of an ad hoc alliance that existed anyway between fast developing countries on issues like climate change, etc. On common issues, these countries would cooperate regardless -- with or without BRICS. Conversely, if national interests dictate otherwise, BRICS will be ignored in favor of alliances with the West.

Well, you are partially right in a sense that BRIC is still in its nascent stage. But formation of such platform does expedite and formalize the cooperation between nations with similar aspirations. Was not it apparent from the recent spat of defence cooperation targeted between India and China. Do you think without BRIC, the speed at which these decisions are being taken could have been possible. Hence one cannot just dump the idea of such common platform. It sure has a lot of room for improvement.

You're also right when you opined that BRIC being evolved into some kind of defense cooperation is not a reality. I too don't think that will ever happen. Specially India will not enter into any kind of defence cooperation with either west or east. In the coming decades too, she will strictly adhere to her non-allignment idea and hence India becomes a very important nation in the balance of east, west and middle... She has the potential to play the balancing role into any future conflicts between the west and the east.

Also people who are assuming that US can use India as a proxy to China are nothing but fools. India will never be the dirty soldier of US and west and given the mild nature of border conflict between India and China, there will never be any military conflict between India and China. Don't let yourself fooled by the rants of internet warriors. Both country have just wisened up and started to realize the importance of maintaing peace and focus more into their own economic development.

On the topic, I see greater and greater cooperation between the BRIC countries in the future. That is the only way ahead.
 
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i think it's safe to say that russia and china are committed members to BRICS and won't leave when given a chance to ally with the west. it's also seems that it is more in countries's interests to ally with BRICS instead of the west simply because BRICS nations is where the economic growth is.
 
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What I'm worried about is if BRIC stops being a fast growing entity.

If both India and China's economies and populations continue growing at current rates, China wll be a developed nation in 2020 and India will be one in 2035 (10K+ per capita).

However, if we fall into the middle income trap due to high inequality, corruption and lack of indigenous technology, we'll be stuck forever on the level of Iran and Belarus.

True, there will always be obstacles to overcome even in good times. As long as China and India leaders keep vigilant and stay on course to the ever changing economic world, they'll do just fine.:cheers:
 
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True, there will always be obstacles to overcome even in good times. As long as China and India leaders keep vigilant and stay on course to the ever changing economic world, they'll do just fine.:cheers:

However, going back to the Latin American experience, both China and India share some commonalities.

China:

Corruption
Huge Gini Index (was 30 in 1980, 40 in 2005, 50 today). It took us 25 years to become 10 index more unequal, but only 5 years to double inequality.
Gap between salary and GDP
Wages make up a declining portion of GDP
Inflation due to poor capital controls
Resource poor and prone to world market shocks

India:

Formation of urban slums
Corruption
Rise in crime
Political and security instability
Capital Flight
Inflation

There are also dissimilarities:

China:

Huge investment in high tech
Creation of "National Champions" - state owned multinationals that can compete at the highest level in the world market
Private multinationals starting to form
Large network of world class universities
Large storage of high IQ peoples with science and engineering training.

India:

Low Gini Index
Investment into high value services
Largely untapped resources
Young workforce
Highly organized oligarchy
Significantly higher exports of unskilled labor, reducing the number of dependents on social aid.
 
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SA has much to offer Brics despite size - analysts


Cape Town — South Africa may be the new kid on the block when it arrives at next week's Bric summit in China, but the country has much to offer as a gateway to Africa with one of the strongest financial sectors in the world, and with its tradition of independent decision making it's not likely to be swept aside by the summit's bigger members, say analysts.

President Jacob Zuma jets off to the Chinese resort of Sanya on the tropical island of Hainan to attend the country's first Brics summit which will commence on April 14.

Emerging markets expert and chief executive of Frontier Advisory, Martyn Davies, says being part of the African continent is one of South Africa's biggest bargaining chips.

South Africa should therefore promote itself to its fellow Bric partners as the continent's "services hub" he says, adding that the country also has strong corporates that "punch above their weight".

A McKinsey report released last year titled "Lions on the Move" touts Africa as the next economic growth story, while the Economist earlier this year reported that African countries would make up seven of the 10 fastest-growing economies in the world between 2011 and 2015.

Added to this, a tripartite free trade agreement between the Southern African Customs Union (Sacu), the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (Comesa) and East African Community (EAC) would create a market of over 500 million people once concluded, trade and industry minister Rob Davies said earlier this year.

But Matlotleng Matlou, chief executive of the Africa Institute says South Africa has to be cautious not to presume that it is representing Africa as a continent or gateway, when it appears at the summit, as it does have the necessary mandate from other African nations.


He says South Africa should also take more advantage of scholarships on offer in its fellow Bric nations, to develop learnings from them.

Standard Bank economist Jeremy Stevens also cautioned South Africa's approach at the summit.

Stevens says though South Africa's ascendancy to Bric status might be a "massive move forward for the country" and that South Africa has one of the world's top banking systems, it has to be careful not to give away one of the only regions in the world where it had a trade surplus.

He says South Africa should also be careful not to place all its eggs in one basket in terms of investments and linkages in fellow Bric nations, as Europe and the US still made up a large bulk of its trade.

However Peter Draper, senior fellow at the South African Institute of International Affairs (Saiia) believes that one of South Africa's strengths lay in its reputation in independent decision-making.

Draper disagrees with some critics that believe that because South Africa pushed to get into the Brics grouping and that it could be seen as being weak and added that it was not in South Africa's political tradition to "roll over" and submit to other nations.

The Brics club is primarily a geopolitical grouping, believes Draper, who added that foreign direct investment and trade were just after effects, and were more suited to bilateral trade missions.

South Africa however will go into summit as being the smallest of the Bric nations - by population, gross domestic product (GDP) and trade share.

China's economy, for example, is about 16 times that of South Africa's with a population 268 times that of South Africa.

Although China is less urbanised than South Africa (47 percent versus 57 percent respectively), it has 70 cities with over a million inhabitants, while South Africa has just six such cities.

Added to this, China grew at a massive 12.37 percent between 1990 and 2007, according to the UN, while South Africa grew at 5.6 percent during the same period.

Notable is that while Brazil, China, Russia and India have all substantially grown their share in world trade in the last decade, South Africa's share of international trade has remained stagnant.

According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) China almost trebled their share of world trade - from 3.9 percent in 2000 to 9.7 percent in 2009 - while India's moved from 0.7 percent to 1.2 percent, Russia from 1.7 percent to 2.5 percent and Brazil's from 0.9 percent to 1.2 percent, in the same period.

South Africa's share of international trade has however remained stuck on 0.5 percent since 2000.

But while South Africa may have the smallest economy and population among the Bric members, it can boast the third highest GDP per capita, second only to Russia and Brazil, respectively.

Of the Brics, South Africa is the easiest place to open a business, requiring on average the least number of steps and days to open a business, according to the 2010-11 Global Competitiveness Report.

South Africa is also the world's biggest platinum producer and second biggest gold producer after China, while the African country is the sixth biggest producer of coal.

Of the Brics countries, China is South Africa's top export destination, with India ranked sixth, Brazil 24 and Russia 41, according to South Africa's Department of Trade and Industry.

China tops the list of countries South Africa imports from, while India is ranked eighth, Brazil 17 and Russia a distant 54.

South Africa is not the only Brics member to have experienced concern over its membership from its own citizens.

Brazil's inclusion as one of the Brics, in 2003, was also initially greeted with some scepticism when Goldman Sachs coined the Bric term at the time, as it came just months after the IMF provided a large loan to stablise the South American country's economy.

Lael Brainard and Leonardo Martinez-Diaz in a 2009 article "Brazil: The "B" belongs in the Brics" said the country is now growing because of sound macro-economic policies, strong organisations and effective policies on agriculture and alternative energy.

"Brazil sees itself as having long been unjustly depreciated or disparaged, and Brazilians sometimes perceive slights where none are intended or take affront where none is meant," says New York Times correspondent Larry Rohter in "Brazil on the Rise" (2010).

The summit will take place on Thursday and Friday on Hainan Island (which literally means "South of the Sea").

The tropical island, rich in iron and fruit, is China's smallest province and was transformed from a backwater to one of the regions with the highest per capita incomes in China, after the island was made a special economic zone (SEZ) in 1988.
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SA has much to offer Brics despite size - analysts


Cape Town — South Africa may be the new kid on the block when it arrives at next week's Bric summit in China, but the country has much to offer as a gateway to Africa with one of the strongest financial sectors in the world, and with its tradition of independent decision making it's not likely to be swept aside by the summit's bigger members, say analysts.

President Jacob Zuma jets off to the Chinese resort of Sanya on the tropical island of Hainan to attend the country's first Brics summit which will commence on April 14.

Emerging markets expert and chief executive of Frontier Advisory, Martyn Davies, says being part of the African continent is one of South Africa's biggest bargaining chips.

South Africa should therefore promote itself to its fellow Bric partners as the continent's "services hub" he says, adding that the country also has strong corporates that "punch above their weight".

A McKinsey report released last year titled "Lions on the Move" touts Africa as the next economic growth story, while the Economist earlier this year reported that African countries would make up seven of the 10 fastest-growing economies in the world between 2011 and 2015.

Added to this, a tripartite free trade agreement between the Southern African Customs Union (Sacu), the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (Comesa) and East African Community (EAC) would create a market of over 500 million people once concluded, trade and industry minister Rob Davies said earlier this year.

But Matlotleng Matlou, chief executive of the Africa Institute says South Africa has to be cautious not to presume that it is representing Africa as a continent or gateway, when it appears at the summit, as it does have the necessary mandate from other African nations.


He says South Africa should also take more advantage of scholarships on offer in its fellow Bric nations, to develop learnings from them.

Standard Bank economist Jeremy Stevens also cautioned South Africa's approach at the summit.

Stevens says though South Africa's ascendancy to Bric status might be a "massive move forward for the country" and that South Africa has one of the world's top banking systems, it has to be careful not to give away one of the only regions in the world where it had a trade surplus.

He says South Africa should also be careful not to place all its eggs in one basket in terms of investments and linkages in fellow Bric nations, as Europe and the US still made up a large bulk of its trade.

However Peter Draper, senior fellow at the South African Institute of International Affairs (Saiia) believes that one of South Africa's strengths lay in its reputation in independent decision-making.

Draper disagrees with some critics that believe that because South Africa pushed to get into the Brics grouping and that it could be seen as being weak and added that it was not in South Africa's political tradition to "roll over" and submit to other nations.

The Brics club is primarily a geopolitical grouping, believes Draper, who added that foreign direct investment and trade were just after effects, and were more suited to bilateral trade missions.

South Africa however will go into summit as being the smallest of the Bric nations - by population, gross domestic product (GDP) and trade share.

China's economy, for example, is about 16 times that of South Africa's with a population 268 times that of South Africa.

Although China is less urbanised than South Africa (47 percent versus 57 percent respectively), it has 70 cities with over a million inhabitants, while South Africa has just six such cities.

Added to this, China grew at a massive 12.37 percent between 1990 and 2007, according to the UN, while South Africa grew at 5.6 percent during the same period.

Notable is that while Brazil, China, Russia and India have all substantially grown their share in world trade in the last decade, South Africa's share of international trade has remained stagnant.

According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) China almost trebled their share of world trade - from 3.9 percent in 2000 to 9.7 percent in 2009 - while India's moved from 0.7 percent to 1.2 percent, Russia from 1.7 percent to 2.5 percent and Brazil's from 0.9 percent to 1.2 percent, in the same period.

South Africa's share of international trade has however remained stuck on 0.5 percent since 2000.

But while South Africa may have the smallest economy and population among the Bric members, it can boast the third highest GDP per capita, second only to Russia and Brazil, respectively.

Of the Brics, South Africa is the easiest place to open a business, requiring on average the least number of steps and days to open a business, according to the 2010-11 Global Competitiveness Report.

South Africa is also the world's biggest platinum producer and second biggest gold producer after China, while the African country is the sixth biggest producer of coal.

Of the Brics countries, China is South Africa's top export destination, with India ranked sixth, Brazil 24 and Russia 41, according to South Africa's Department of Trade and Industry.

China tops the list of countries South Africa imports from, while India is ranked eighth, Brazil 17 and Russia a distant 54.

South Africa is not the only Brics member to have experienced concern over its membership from its own citizens.

Brazil's inclusion as one of the Brics, in 2003, was also initially greeted with some scepticism when Goldman Sachs coined the Bric term at the time, as it came just months after the IMF provided a large loan to stablise the South American country's economy.

Lael Brainard and Leonardo Martinez-Diaz in a 2009 article "Brazil: The "B" belongs in the Brics" said the country is now growing because of sound macro-economic policies, strong organisations and effective policies on agriculture and alternative energy.

"Brazil sees itself as having long been unjustly depreciated or disparaged, and Brazilians sometimes perceive slights where none are intended or take affront where none is meant," says New York Times correspondent Larry Rohter in "Brazil on the Rise" (2010).

The summit will take place on Thursday and Friday on Hainan Island (which literally means "South of the Sea").

The tropical island, rich in iron and fruit, is China's smallest province and was transformed from a backwater to one of the regions with the highest per capita incomes in China, after the island was made a special economic zone (SEZ) in 1988.
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Inaccurate article. South Africa's population is 26.8 times less than China's, not 268 times less. The average South African makes 5800 USD per year, not much different than China's 4500.
 
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BRICS' best is yet to come
English.news.cn 2011-04-18 10:40:21

BEIJING, April 18 (Xinhuanet) -- Emerging economies seek more balanced international system and share a vision for fairer global governance and common growth.

The recently concluded BRICS summit in Sanya, Hainan province, has once again highlighted the importance of emerging economies in the transformation of the international political and economic order.

The meeting, which brought together the five fastest growing economies, resulted in a statement elaborating their vision for common development and shared prosperity and put forward many new initiatives for global economic governance. With the participation of South Africa, the largest economy in Africa, the summit also added new geopolitical significance.

International opinion has varied in response to BRICS. Some acclaim it as the advent of a multi-polarity era and say this forward-looking group will have far-reaching consequences, not just for the five countries themselves, but also for the peaceful and orderly transition to a more just and democratic world.

Others are concerned about the challenges it may pose to the West-dominated world and argue that as a non-Western grouping, BRICS may push for its own agenda at the expense of the West.

For still others, BRICS is merely an ad hoc group, the countries are not really united, and it is only China that makes it possible. They argue that BRICS mainly serves China's interests as it seeks to change the West-dominated global system through multilateral diplomacy.

All these views miss the essential truth: BRICS is a manifestation of developing countries rising as a group. As a major driving force for global economic recovery in the post-crisis era, it is only natural for the BRICS states to seek a bigger say and more representation for themselves and for other developing countries on issues that have a bearing on world peace and development. Coordination and cooperation among the BRICS countries offers the promise of building a favorable external environment that helps and complements their own development and for developing countries as a whole.

BRICS is becoming a defining force shaping the new international political and economic order, not only because of the member countries' impressive growth rates in the past, but also because of their great potential in the decades to come. They have all formulated long-term development strategies that require a more just and fair international political and economic governance system. But they do not intend to establish a new system to replace the current one, one in which they all have a stake. What they are looking for is to coordinate efforts to make the emerging international system more balanced, equitable and sustainable.

The BRICS nations share a vision for inclusive growth and prosperity in the world, and serve as a bridge for South-North dialogue. Advocating a non-confrontational approach for dialogue and cooperation, BRICS's vision, if put into practice, will make it increasingly influential in many global issues, such as climate change, environmental protection, food security and energy security.

BRICS also constitutes a new model of global economic cooperation. It has a broad vision for international economic cooperation and interaction. It undertakes to work with the UN, G20 and other multilateral cooperative mechanisms by playing a constructive role in addressing the common challenges facing the world. The BRICS countries pledge to strengthen their coordination for common development and shared prosperity and to formulate a result-oriented action plan by expanding and deepening practical cooperation among themselves.

As a host, China has played an important role in making this possible. Chinese President Hu Jintao said at the summit and also at the ensuing Boao Forum, China will make great efforts to participate in global economic governance and push for the reform of the global economic and financial systems. China also undertakes to work with the other BRICS states and developing countries and the world at large to share development opportunities.

The Sanya BRICS summit was a milestone, which showed that for the first time in modern history, developing countries, and those five emerging economies in particular, are thinking big and doing big.

(Source: China Daily)

Special Report: Hu Chairs BRICS Summit, Addresses Boao Forum
 
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BRICS declaration raises eyebrows in European Union
PTI, Apr 15, 2011, 10.43am IST


BEIJING: The BRICS declaration at Sanya in China frowning the use of force by West in Libya surprised scholars from EU that the five-member bloc could come up with such a "long, impressive and ambitious" declaration injecting new impetus into international relations and governance.

They said the five countries - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - will face mounting tasks of coordination to put the plan into action.

"I'm quite surprised how long the declaration is and how wide (an area) it covers," said Duncan Freeman, a senior researcher at the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China Studies dais.

"It goes beyond my expectations," he told state-run China Daily at Brussels.

Leaders from five of the world's largest emerging economies met in South China's resort city of Sanya on Thursday and achieved a consensus covering a wide range of issues such as a stance on Libya, support for Japan and multilateral cooperation.

They also rolled out a 23-point action plan to implement previously launched programs, and start new projects and proposals.

"Now comes the hard part of translating an action plan from the stage of good intentions into real action," said David Fouquet, director of Europe-Asia Network in Brussels.

"The participants have signalled their intention of achieving that status. Now they must prove their capability," he said.

Federik Ponjaert, senior researcher with the Institute of European Studies of the University Liberty of Brussels, said the five countries have numerous differences economically but share the similarity of seeking global influence.

"So I am surprised that the Sanya Declaration has indicated that the five countries want to assert their political influence on the global stage," said Ponjaert.

"Previously, they focused on economic and financial issues."

However, Ponjaert said the declaration has identified the "common interests" of the five countries but lacks a "shared agenda of strategy".

Meanwhile, there is a lack of enough solutions to realize their common interests in such wide range of issues.

"This is the very first step for the five countries to sit together and they have been faced with challenges to find shared strategy and solutions," Ponjaert said.
 
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Sanjaya Baru: BRICS in search of cement
Sanya was a way station, the real summit is G-20 where India must have a voice of its own
Sanjaya Baru / New Delhi April 18, 2011, 0:18 IST

India adds the much-needed vowel to a group of consonants in search of a meaning. Even then BRICS would still be a noun in search of an adjective.

It started as a marketing gimmick of a Goldman Sachs executive seeking business in emerging markets – Brazil, Russia, India and China (BRIC). Indians were flattered, the Chinese were initially supercilious (how can anyone bracket China with these other three wannabes?) but it is the Russians who first grabbed the idea, feeling bruised after their Yeltsin-era wooing of the West began to get spurned during Putin’s more assertive reign. Caught between preening about its membership of G-8, the rich man’s club, and its desire to keep a foothold in Asia (Russia sought and secured an invitation to the East Asian Summit), Russia founded BRICS (the S added by South Africa).
India’s initial response to BRICS was lukewarm partly because India was more focused on IBSA, that other noun without an adjective, and the emerging East Asian Summit (EAS). If India was dealing with the other two great democracies of the developing world, Brazil and South Africa, in IBSA, and was dealing with China in EAS, then why another summit whose only purpose it seemed was to help Russia deal with its schizophrenic existence between the West and the Rest?

So why has India warmed up to BRICS? If the fundamental objective of Indian foreign policy is to secure a global and regional environment and key bilateral relationships that would be conducive to the sustainability and stability of the Indian growth process, then BRICS offers one more platform. While Prime Minister Manmohan Singh himself said famously that all summitry is tourism at public expense, it helps India to be widely engaged both as an insurance and as a means of in fact building a ‘multi-polar’ or ‘polycentric’ world that it seeks.

Prime Minister Singh told the Sanya Summit: “The challenge before us is to harness the vast potential that exists among us. We are rich in resources, material and human. We are strengthened by the complementarities of our resource endowments. We share the vision of inclusive growth and prosperity in the world. We stand for a rule-based, stable and predictable global order. We respect each other’s political systems and stages of development. We value diversity and plurality. Our priority is the rapid socio-economic transformation of our people and those of the developing world. Our cooperation is neither directed against nor at the expense of anyone.”

But China’s commitment to respecting “diversity and plurality” is still in doubt and China has not yet won Indian trust on the question of whether it respects the territorial integrity and sovereignty of all nations and whether it stands for “a rule-based, stable and predictable global order.”

That BRICS is more a way station than a summit, is proved by the fact that most of the 23 ‘action points’ adopted through the Sanya Declaration are all about more meetings! More than two-thirds of the 32 paragraphs of the Sanya Declaration can be lifted from many similar declarations of the alphabet soup of plurilateral groupings and summits that have now become commonplace in the emerging multi-polar world.

The one good purpose that BRICS can still serve is to exert pressure on the West not to block the ‘Rise of the Rest’, as Alice Amsden put it in her classic book bearing this name on the rise of ‘emerging economies’. Amsden’s ‘rest’ included, apart from China, Brazil, India and South Africa, South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey and a few others, but most of them meet at the G-20 Summit anyway, so why BRICS?

Two recent developments seem to have dominated the Sanya Summit – the events in West Asia and North Africa (WANA), the economic consequences of ‘quantitative easing’ by the US and the poor quality of global economic management by the US and EU. The Rest are worried about the way in which the West has intervened both militarily in WANA and economically through QE2 and the mismanagement in Europe.

While these are legitimate concerns, and India ought to be concerned since global economic stability and regional political stability in WANA are vital to India’s own national security and economic growth, it is not at all clear whether India would benefit more from standing with the protestors, Russia and China, or working with the managers, US and EU.

India’s initial response to the popular uprisings in WANA balanced Indian economic and strategic interests with support for the democratic sentiments of the people and for the strengthening of plural and secular political systems in the region. India showed that its foreign policy was not driven by self-interest alone, nor by the 20th century clichés about sovereignty, but by its commitment to the building of a more plural, liberal and secular global society.

That stance, which defines Indian foreign policy not just in terms of national interest and economic necessity, but also a moral imperative is new direction that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has sought to provide. This should not get diluted by an urge to cling to old doctrines, howsoever comforting they may be in times of uncertainty and stress.

Finally, at a time when rising energy and food prices are threatening Indian economic growth, it is not clear if the BRICS have a shared agenda for prosperity. India and China do, but Russia is a beneficiary of high energy prices and Brazil both a cause and beneficiary of high food prices.

The real world summit of consequence these days is the G-20 and at G-20 India’s individual personality, as an open economy and an open society, as a plural democracy pursuing inclusive growth, should shine, rather than get subsumed under groupings of convenience with no character.
 
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guys do u think BRIC is made up of it huge economic growth and the country's size?????

In my opinion
we have one from america's--brazil
and one from africa--south africa
and in asia we have China and india
and north asia we have Russia..

so we don't need any more countries in BRICS...
wat do u say???
 
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