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Breaking News: Trump declares any Iranian Strike will mean WAR

The Iranian planers will be in state of shock. If they retaliate it will be crippling response from Uncle Sam, if they do not then it will be regarded as defeat.

My humble advise dont take Uncle Sam's bat. They want a war. Put your emotions aside and reassess the situation. Arabs need to shut up remain neutral as they can. Iran has following options:
- Close the strait of Homruz
- Attack USA through proxies - mind you Trump has already threatened of retaliation
- Strike Israel - Israel has capability to respond in very disproportionate manner. They are a de facto super power of the region whether Iran or anyone likes it or not. Israelis should thank idiot nations of Iran and Arabs.
- Shut up and do nothing and play death to USA and Israel card ONLY!

As far Americans is concerned they have nothing to loose whether Iranian do something or not. In the end Americans will be benefit. It is MASTER STROKE from a very creative, skilful and able nation. Like it or not!
 
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What war has Pakistan won against India? You've lost every damn one don't go around here with your superiority complex when you have none.

1. Stalemate is not winning

2. US lost due to asymmetric warfare prevailing over their inferior conventional tactics, and they didn't occupy sh1t if there was still an ongoing conflict with North Vietnam.

3. US did fvck all against ISIS except join at the last minute like they always do, that victory belonged to Soleimani and the forces led by him. Iraq is now aligned with Iran, and it looks like the US doesn't have a future in the country anymore. So much for winning. ISIS is ultimately a creature of the Zio-American establishment, they were just cleaning house so they deserve no credit.

4. Taliban still exists, the US has resorted to negotiations because of their failure against homegrown insurgencies. The negotiations are not up to the US and they will stay there forever if they don't accept reality and go home.

I've had enough with you, it's very clear where you allegiances lie and it's certainly not Islam and the wellbeing of your fellow muslims. You're clearly rooting for the US, not just in the conflict brewing now over in Iran. But in general. At least the previous clowns I destroyed in these recent threads had some red lines and standards.
Pakistan versus India

Pakistan is up against a relatively much larger foe in India - 2nd most populous country in the world. Nevertheless, Pakistani armed forces have done well in clashes with Indian armed forces in any conflict.

India managed to splinter Pakistan in 1971 but this was due to geographical factors as well as Pakistani internal political crisis. But Pakistan in its current form is a very hard nut to crack and India is not up to the task at present. Pakistan managed to become a nuclear power in response to Indian nuclear ambitions, is also an achievement in itself.

Others

1. VICTORY in a conflict is determined on the basis of fulfillment of relevant military and/or political objectives.

PRIMARY (military and/or political) objective of USA in the Korean War was to liberate South Korea from North Korea. US-led forces accomplished this objective = VICTORY.

Taking over North Korea was not originally planned but proposed and agreed upon at a later stage = SECONDARY (military and/or political) objective of USA in the Korean War. This objective could not be fulfilled because China intervened at this stage and dispatched its army to help North Korea. USA was now risking a conflict of much bigger scale and scope accordingly. Therefore, this objective was dropped and US-led forces retreated back to South Korea.

Clear enough to you now?

2. Excuse me? US-led forces invaded and occupied entire Vietnam. However, opposing forces (i.e. VIETCONG) had a strong footprint in neighboring states such as Cambodia, Laos, and even China.

Anyways, contrary to popular belief, VIETCONG was a powerful military force with expertise in irregular forms of warfare as well as conventional warfare (e.g. Tet offensive); very well-equipped to exchange blows with US-led forces on an equal footing with the very best of Soviet and Chinese equipment at the time. VIETCONG had fought the Japanese and the French before, and successfully routed the French.

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Americans were unable to pull off massive armored thrusts in Vietnam due to its geographical features and vast forrested environments blunted impact of bombing runs on enemy positions at times - WW2 style warfare methods were not up to the task here. Even though American troops were victorious in the Tet offensive phase of the Vietnam War, American citizens in the mainland were no longer supporting this war effort and exerted pressure on the Johnson Administration to withdraw American troops from Vietnam.

In summary:-

"North Vietnam had suffered a military defeat but had won a political and diplomatic victory by shifting American policy toward disengagement."

3. Excuse me again? ISIS was a vast movement spanning across Syria and Iraq and Iranian militias could not handle it by themselves.

Read and learn: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-the-rise-spread-and-fall-the-islamic-state

ISIS stronghold in Syria (i.e. Raqqa) fell to US-led forces and ISIS stronghold in Iraq (i.e. Mosul) also fell to US-led forces - both in 2017. In fact, last known bastion of ISIS (i.e. Dier ez-Zor) also fell to US-led forces in 2019.

ISIS movement was an unintended byproduct of both American and Iranian interventions in Iraq. Both USA and Iran share blame in this, and both had to clean up this mess ironically.

4. US-led forces thrashed/routed the original Afghan Taliban back in 2002.

Afghan Taliban eventually resurged because US shifted its attention to the Middle East and failed to reform Afghanistan through the years. Americans are no longer interested in subjecting Afghanistan to another major military operation because Afghanistan is a landlocked state and Pakistan has convinced US to consider a negotiated settlement for Afghanistan on top.

My allegiance

I am all for Islamic brotherhood and a complete revisit to Islamic practices in current times but what can I do about Sunni versus Shia dynamic? What can I do about Iran poking its nose in affairs of other countries? What can I do about the inherent belief system of Iranian Mullah regime in regards to taking over the Middle East and seeking confrontation with Israel?

Now that Iran seems to be on the receiving end of its political blunders, what kind of responses you expect from those individuals/entities who attempted to reason with Iranian and warned them about the necessity to change their ways?

You must ask why Iran under Shah regime was among the most liked of states in the world and why Iran under Shiite Mullahs is among the most disliked of states in existence.

Substantial food for thought for you above. Best wishes.
 
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2. Excuse me? US-led forces invaded and occupied entire Vietnam. However, opposing forces (i.e. VIETCONG) had a strong footprint in neighboring states such as Cambodia, Laos, and even China.

Anyways, contrary to popular belief, VIETCONG was a powerful military force with expertise in irregular forms of warfare as well as conventional warfare (e.g. Tet offensive); very well-equipped to exchange blows with US-led forces on an equal footing with the very best of Soviet and Chinese equipment at the time. VIETCONG had fought the Japanese and the French before, and successfully routed the French.

map17b.jpg


Americans were unable to pull off massive armored thrusts in Vietnam due to its geographical features and vast forrested environments blunted impact of bombing runs on enemy positions at times - WW2 style warfare methods were not up to the task here. Even though American troops were victorious in the Tet offensive phase of the Vietnam War, American citizens in the mainland were no longer supporting this war effort and exerted pressure on the Johnson Administration to withdraw American troops from Vietnam.

In summary:-

"North Vietnam had suffered a military defeat but had won a political and diplomatic victory by shifting American policy toward disengagement."

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Do u know that VN also defeated US in electronic wafare??

U cant beat US if u cant beat her in electronic wafare. Guerilla tactic alone never work againsy US.
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As time progressed and battlefield communication and radar technology improved, so did electronic warfare. Electronic warfare played a major role in many military operations during the Vietnam War. Aircraft on bombing runs and air-to-air missions often relied on EW to survive the battle, although many were defeated by Vietnamese ECCM.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_warfare
 
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"the Iranian people hated Soleimani, we did them a favor"

...............Let's just hope China doesn't become half the hypocritical monster the United States turned out to be when it takes primacy over the USA in the global arena.

People hype up China, fact is there armed forces have nice toys, but their soldiers are largely untested.

What makes the US military powerful is a steady stream of wars since 1960 that keep the fighting force in shape.

Iran has been fighting wars since 1980 (Iraq, Kurdish rebels, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen).

China hasn’t had a hardened fighting force since Korean War. China is all talk at this point.
 
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People hype up China, fact is there armed forces have nice toys, but their soldiers are largely untested.

What makes the US military powerful is a steady stream of wars since 1960 that keep the fighting force in shape.

Iran has been fighting wars since 1980 (Iraq, Kurdish rebels, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen).

China hasn’t had a hardened fighting force since Korean War. China is all talk at this point.

Fair assessment, won't find much of an argument from me as far as how battle-tested China is. Although I don't and cannot dismiss them entirely.
 
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People hype up China, fact is there armed forces have nice toys, but their soldiers are largely untested.

What makes the US military powerful is a steady stream of wars since 1960 that keep the fighting force in shape.

Iran has been fighting wars since 1980 (Iraq, Kurdish rebels, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen).

China hasn’t had a hardened fighting force since Korean War. China is all talk at this point.

Don't bring in China and start a flame war with Chinese users who are mostly on our side.
 
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Don't bring in China and start a flame war with Chinese users who are mostly on our side.

I don't think that's his intention at all, he is telling the truth when he says that China is largely not battle-tested where as the U.S. has been in constant conflict for decades on end.

It is more than fair to cordially point that reality out without meaning any ill-will by it.

From my perspective it doesn't entirely take away from China's overall military potential as they've invested 100's of billions in their military and have comparable tech, especially in the Naval arena. So categorically dismissing them is wrong but I don't think TheImmortal has that sentiment, at least I don't think he does.
 
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I don't think that's his intention at all, he is telling the truth when he says that China is largely not battle-tested where as the U.S. has been in constant conflict for decades on end.

It is more than fair to cordially point that reality out without meaning any ill-will by it.

Their infantry and ground forces might have not fought a war for a long time, but I would rate their missile, PGMs, Navy Airforce as very ready and sophisticated for combat.
 
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Their infantry and ground forces might have not fought a war for a long time, but I would rate their missile, PGMs, Navy Airforce as very ready and sophisticated for combat.
The current quality of Chinese forces is not what makes them a might! Their might comes from the fact that they have a potential 200 000 000 force at least to throw in repeated waves of hundred of thousand men at each iteration. Where each iteration will be deadlier than the previous. The same goes with their hardware. In a conventional all out war, US might bruise China badly in the first rounds but China will come at top in the end! They have the numbers and the means to improve their hardware at a fast pace.
 
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The current quality of Chinese forces is not what makes them a might! Their might comes from the fact that they have a potential 200 000 000 force at least to throw in repeated waves of hundred of thousand men at each iteration. Where each iteration will be deadlier than the previous. The same goes with their hardware. In a conventional all out war, US might bruise China badly in the first rounds but China will come at top in the end! They have the numbers and the means to improve their hardware at a fast pace.

I always thought Chinese might lies in their impressive industrial capacity and rare-earth metal holdings.

It's a given that China can field and replenish men until kingdom come but the fact that they can build and replace their destroyed hardware is even more important imo.
 
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I always thought Chinese might lies in their impressive industrial capacity and rare-earth metal holdings.

It's a given that China can field and replenish men until kingdom come but the fact that they can build and replace their destroyed hardware is even more important imo.
That is also a given! Also one could compare the average dedication and work ethic of Chinese with their American counterparts...
 
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