Breaking news of Osama raid to Pakistan was easier than thought, says Obama

[CriticalThinker02]

I wonder my self too

I will sue the explanation of Mi5 deputy director who was asked similar questions after failing to stop the terror attacks in London.
(its virtually impossible tyo monitor every single suspect and track and deploy resources to every information most of which turns out to be a dud).

what I know and remember from that story is that Pakistan didnt have the scope beyond Pakistan to track and associate the courier outside the country. there have been many leads in hundred or thousands some leading to dead end and some to false information.
he was passed to CIA as a person of interest as he came and went out of the country. incidentally he was already known to CIA outside and was marked as a suspect. CIA didnt share that information with Pakistan and quietly monitored his movements in Arabia and Pakistan. even the compound had been searched many times before and was found to be empty it was one of the many places that Osama might have used and moved on in the past.
and then flown away in a chinook. Americans claim that they managed to fill in all troops and dead body and intel information in boxes exta in a single helicopter after one of that crashed. chinook is missed out in the movie and other claims about the raid.

Americans actually did tell ISI about the impeding raid. but this is never made public nor is the claim that Americans did confide with the military and civilian leadership but it was too afraid to take on Osma openly.

after the raid the SEAL toops were facilitated in their return journey and first were taken to Tarbela base and then picked up by Chinook and flown away.

this is the information which is conveniently missed out as it doesn't help with "suspect Pakistan narrative".
beyond embarrassment, Pakistan not only took the blame of the suspect and secretly supporting Osama but also took the brunt of the backlash of Al Qaeda and TTP when thousands of Pakistanis were killed in terror attacks throughout the year as a revenge by Al Qaeda.


I have wrote much on this repeatedly and quoted people of the area what they actually saw.
I have no interest in repeating any further or answering any follow up questions.

in short our leadership (civ/ mil) made wrong decision of not calling out American lies and failing to prove that they helped in the raid instead of standing accused of being Al Qaeda facilitators.
looking at the horrible and pathetic condition that Osama was living in that compound it is really ridiculous to even entertain for a moment that Pakistanis were getting money from him (he had few goats a vegetable patch, some hen and broken furniture).

Why didn't the Americans share any tangible evidence that they had actually caught OBL in Pakistan?

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

US+India+Japan+Australia alliance is hardly comparable to China-Pakistan-Turkey alliance in term of threat
The first alliance is sea based alliance with virtually no route to attack China military including India which separated with China by the great Hymalaya mountain. They could do the naval blockage with limited success, in theory. In reality, China will try to divide them by using economic benefit.
In the later alliance, we have Pakistan, enough said
In order to really threaten China, Russia is the only choice.

Pakistan academy trains cadets. its not involved in fighting. PMA is a very big landmark in Abbotabad spread over hundreds of acres so it has proximity to of thousands of homes in Abbotabad
its a shame Osama managed to live his last days in Abbotabad but it was Pakistan tip off of Al Qaeda courier that helped in locating him

Mullah Omar leader of Afghan Taliban, on the other hand managed to live for 10 years & peacefully die in close proximity to an American base in Afghanistan
why not apply the same logic and suggest that US military commanders at the Base were complicit in letting Mullah Omar live just accross the base and never get discovered?

Why didnt pakistan traced him instead of tipping americans and causing a huge embarasment to the country

which world do you live guys?
Do you really believe Both Pakistan and USA were unaware of UBL?

Come on study how he was moved from Sudan to Pakistan and with which assurances..
Neutralizing him was just delibrate act from USA to whatsoever reasons and to malign Pakistan
Luckly we were having criminals Zardari and Noonies, and weka economy to not to reveal how we were blackmailed

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan academy trains cadets. its not involved in fighting. PMA is a very big landmark in Abbotabad spread over hundreds of acres so it has proximity to of thousands of homes in Abbotabad
its a shame Osama managed to live his last days in Abbotabad but it was Pakistan tip off of Al Qaeda courier that helped in locating him

Mullah Omar leader of Afghan Taliban, on the other hand managed to live for 10 years & peacefully die in close proximity to an American base in Afghanistan
why not apply the same logic and suggest that US military commanders at the Base were complicit in letting Mullah Omar live just accross the base and never get discovered?

Absolutely!! And don't forgot the 1996 Atlanta Olympic bomber who hid away for months with a few hours drive of Atlanta!!

And it is matter of great stupidity that Pakistani bloggers haven't highlighted Pakistan's role in nabbing OBL!! Instead--Pakistan has let self-serving Leon Panetta and the Indian bloggers malign Pakistan.

The truth about what **really** happened on the night of the OBL raid may never be fully known. But Pakistani bloggers engaged in conspiracy theories, instead of capitalizing on Obama's public acknowledgement of Pakistan's help when announcing the death of OBL.cHow much more out of touch can the Pakistani bloggers be? Here was a great prize to take. What the hell could Al Qaida do what it had not already done to Pakistan??

Still... do what you can even now! Start sticky threads here. Post on You Tube and FaceBook and Twitter. Highlight Pakistan's contribution in killing off Al Qaida. Highlight how much Pakistan suffered at the hand of Al Qaida. The truth has to reveal itself--and pronto!!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I wonder my self too

I will sue the explanation of Mi5 deputy director who was asked similar questions after failing to stop the terror attacks in London.
(its virtually impossible tyo monitor every single suspect and track and deploy resources to every information most of which turns out to be a dud).

what I know and remember from that story is that Pakistan didnt have the scope beyond Pakistan to track and associate the courier outside the country. there have been many leads in hundred or thousands some leading to dead end and some to false information.
he was passed to CIA as a person of interest as he came and went out of the country. incidentally he was already known to CIA outside and was marked as a suspect. CIA didnt share that information with Pakistan and quietly monitored his movements in Arabia and Pakistan. even the compound had been searched many times before and was found to be empty it was one of the many places that Osama might have used and moved on in the past.
and then flown away in a chinook. Americans claim that they managed to fill in all troops and dead body and intel information in boxes exta in a single helicopter after one of that crashed. chinook is missed out in the movie and other claims about the raid.

Americans actually did tell ISI about the impeding raid. but this is never made public nor is the claim that Americans did confide with the military and civilian leadership but it was too afraid to take on Osma openly.

after the raid the SEAL toops were facilitated in their return journey and first were taken to Tarbela base and then picked up by Chinook and flown away.

this is the information which is conveniently missed out as it doesn't help with "suspect Pakistan narrative".
beyond embarrassment, Pakistan not only took the blame of the suspect and secretly supporting Osama but also took the brunt of the backlash of Al Qaeda and TTP when thousands of Pakistanis were killed in terror attacks throughout the year as a revenge by Al Qaeda.


I have wrote much on this repeatedly and quoted people of the area what they actually saw.
I have no interest in repeating any further or answering any follow up questions.

in short our leadership (civ/ mil) made wrong decision of not calling out American lies and failing to prove that they helped in the raid instead of standing accused of being Al Qaeda facilitators.
looking at the horrible and pathetic condition that Osama was living in that compound it is really ridiculous to even entertain for a moment that Pakistanis were getting money from him (he had few goats a vegetable patch, some hen and broken furniture).

Everything you said is very true. Frankly Pakistan got dumped on. Whenever a weaker country deals with big boys there is always the chance it will be dumped on or scapegoated. And this is exactly what happened. It's no point on crying crying about Americans. The world is full of bas*tards. Geopolitics is a dirty game.

But the more pertinent question Pakistani people need to ask is this. Why? Why and how did a Saudi Arab hide in Pakistan when there are over 30 Arabic speaking countries from the rich to poor, from mountainous to deserts of Mauritania. Then there are another 30 Muslim countries. Instead he hid in Pakistan.

Bin Laden was being hunted by USA. He had been painted by the global media as villian of the millienum. Nobody in their senses would allow such a liability to even come near them as it could invite freedom missiles from USA. Yet OBL and countless other garbage of the Muslim world ended up hiding Pakistan. The question is to quote from Reservior Dogs was there a sign outside Pakistan saying "dead n**gers storeage"?

The net result of this is Pakistan became associated with the global villian OBL. Pakistan's image was almost permanently ruined as Pakistan became a byword for "terrorism". Nearly two decades later the country still conjures up "terrorism".

As PMIK has said a million times. No Pakistani was involved in 9/11 so why did Pakistan get banded with this? Simple because the name Pakistan was flashed across global media everytime OBL or his lieutenants got caught in Pakistan. Meantime the countries that provided the citizens who were behind 9/11 were busy linking their names with footbal teams [Emirates], blue scuba divingon the Red Sea [Egypt] and worlds mosy opulent hotels [Dubai] etc.

So why? And then when we get a answer for that it needs sorting out fast.

 

[VCheng]

As PMIK has said a million times. No Pakistani was involved in 9/11 so why did Pakistan get banded with this?

Incorrect. Please remember who KSM was and where he was captured.

 

[Mav3rick]

I have already told you about this five years ago that it was joint operation between USA, Zardari and Gen Kayani. Idea was floated by Gen Kayani and that’s why Pentagon wanted to hire him after his retirement. OBL was already dead back in 2003 or 2004, some analysts says that he was dead even before 2001 due to kidney failure. His wife and daughter was leaving in Abbottabad house.

So basically the then Army Chief of Pakistan committed treason because of whom we are forever marked as terrorist sympathizers and terrorist safe havens?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Everything you said is very true. Frankly Pakistan got dumped on. Whenever a weaker country deals with big boys there is always the chance it will be dumped on or scapegoated. And this is exactly what happened. It's no point on crying crying about Americans. The world is full of bas*tards. Geopolitics is a dirty game.

But the more pertinent question Pakistani people need to ask is this. Why? Why and how did a Saudi Arab hide in Pakistan when there are over 30 Arabic speaking countries from the rich to poor, from mountainous to deserts of Mauritania. Then there are another 30 Muslim countries. Instead he hid in Pakistan.

Bin Laden was being hunted by USA. He had been painted by the global media as villian of the millienum. Nobody in their senses would allow such a liability to even come near them as it could invite freedom missiles from USA. Yet OBL and countless other garbage of the Muslim world ended up hiding Pakistan. The question is to quote from Reservior Dogs was there a sign outside Pakistan saying "dead n**gers storeage"?

The net result of this is Pakistan became associated with the global villian OBL. Pakistan's image was almost permanently ruined as Pakistan became a byword for "terrorism". Nearly two decades later the country still conjures up "terrorism".

As PMIK has said a million times. No Pakistani was involved in 9/11 so why did Pakistan get banded with this? Simple because the name Pakistan was flashed across global media everytime OBL or his lieutenants got caught in Pakistan. Meantime the countries that provided the citizens who were behind 9/11 were busy linking their names with footbal teams [Emirates], blue scuba divingon the Red Sea [Egypt] and worlds mosy opulent hotels [Dubai] etc.

So why? And then when we get a answer for that it needs sorting out fast.

recall
tora bora figh6y?

according to Americans fighting the Al qaeda leadership, the American command told them to stand down and let the AQ leadership escape their circle

after that during Sawat operation we had 7 million displacement of people
Osama might have been allowed to slip into Pakistan and use the IDP chaos to reach Abbotabad

 

[Mav3rick]

I wonder my self too

I will sue the explanation of Mi5 deputy director who was asked similar questions after failing to stop the terror attacks in London.
(its virtually impossible tyo monitor every single suspect and track and deploy resources to every information most of which turns out to be a dud).

what I know and remember from that story is that Pakistan didnt have the scope beyond Pakistan to track and associate the courier outside the country. there have been many leads in hundred or thousands some leading to dead end and some to false information.
he was passed to CIA as a person of interest as he came and went out of the country. incidentally he was already known to CIA outside and was marked as a suspect. CIA didnt share that information with Pakistan and quietly monitored his movements in Arabia and Pakistan. even the compound had been searched many times before and was found to be empty it was one of the many places that Osama might have used and moved on in the past.
and then flown away in a chinook. Americans claim that they managed to fill in all troops and dead body and intel information in boxes exta in a single helicopter after one of that crashed. chinook is missed out in the movie and other claims about the raid.

Americans actually did tell ISI about the impeding raid. but this is never made public nor is the claim that Americans did confide with the military and civilian leadership but it was too afraid to take on Osma openly.

after the raid the SEAL toops were facilitated in their return journey and first were taken to Tarbela base and then picked up by Chinook and flown away.

this is the information which is conveniently missed out as it doesn't help with "suspect Pakistan narrative".
beyond embarrassment, Pakistan not only took the blame of the suspect and secretly supporting Osama but also took the brunt of the backlash of Al Qaeda and TTP when thousands of Pakistanis were killed in terror attacks throughout the year as a revenge by Al Qaeda.


I have wrote much on this repeatedly and quoted people of the area what they actually saw.
I have no interest in repeating any further or answering any follow up questions.

in short our leadership (civ/ mil) made wrong decision of not calling out American lies and failing to prove that they helped in the raid instead of standing accused of being Al Qaeda facilitators.
looking at the horrible and pathetic condition that Osama was living in that compound it is really ridiculous to even entertain for a moment that Pakistanis were getting money from him (he had few goats a vegetable patch, some hen and broken furniture).

The way all the people from Abbottabad were silenced and taken off air, the report of the commission which found only 1 bullet hole in the entire compound, the razing of the compound to the ground etc., are very compelling reasons to suspect the official version of events.

 

[undercover JIX]

Do you really believe Both Pakistan and USA were unaware of UBL?

United Bank Limited

LOl just kidding..

 

[Bouncer]

And it is matter of great stupidity that Pakistani bloggers haven't highlighted Pakistan's role in nabbing OBL!! Instead--Pakistan has let self-serving Leon Panetta and the Indian bloggers malign Pakistan.

Blame falls on those in power at that time, as Irfan Baloch mentioned in a post above, and perhaps those in power now. A single statement from ISPR or MOFA should have helped Pakistan's cause.

There is no way Pakistan was not part of this game. And I am guessing there can be two reasons for Pakistan not claiming its role in this whole drama; first is the possible backlash that could have been unleased in form of terror attacks on Pakistan with the narrative being that Pakistan sold a mujahid to the Americans--suicide bombers were going off left & right in Pakistan in those years and second reason that perhaps those in power at that time were silenced via force or dollars. Could be both reasons. Or could be one of these. Whatever is the case; we are now the country that "hid OBL near our prime military academy".

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Please remember who KSM was

What-a-bou-tery

Osama might have been allowed to slip into Pakistan and use the IDP chaos to reach Abbotabad

That includes both parties. Americans for leting him "slip" and Pakistan to "allow him in and stay house pest" in the country.

 

[VCheng]

What-a-bou-tery

Not at all. KSM is a DIRECT refutation of the erroneous statement made earlier about no Pakistani being involved in the 9/11 attacks, and relevant to the thread.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Not at all. KSM is a DIRECT refutation of the erroneous statement made earlier about no Pakistani being involved in the 9/11 attacks, and relevant to the thread.

It is. I mean't the actual guys who carried out the attack. Even if we go along with your wataboutery te fact stands - most AQ terrorists were and are Arabs. AQ is a Arabian product. However USA nicely used kid gloves when dealing with their oil rich sheikh buddies but dumped it big on Pakistan. Hillary Clinton even pointed to the fact that majority of terrorists funding emanates from America's oil buddies.

 

[VCheng]

It is. I mean't the actual guys who carried out the attack. Even if we go along with your wataboutery te fact stands - most AQ terrorists were and are Arabs. AQ is a Arabian product. However USA nicely used kid gloves when dealing with their oil rich sheikh buddies but dumped it big on Pakistan. Hillary Clinton even pointed to the fact that majority of terrorists funding emanates from America's oil buddies.

Incorrect. The exact words were "No Pakistani was involved in 9/11" which is patently false. There are many reasons why Pakistan was blamed for its role in the 9/11 attacks, and denying them is counter-productive. Pakistan has already paid a high price for the Abbottabad debacle, as has been previously mentioned, and now it is time to move on and make the best of the situation as it now stands and is likely to evolve in the future.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The way all the people from Abbottabad were silenced and taken off air, the report of the commission which found only 1 bullet hole in the entire compound, the razing of the compound to the ground etc., are very compelling reasons to suspect the official version of events.

no one was silenced.
one guy who lived near by and saw the whole event started reporting and video uploading on facebook and other social media.
they raised the place to stop it becoming a mausoleum of Osama.
I have a swatai friend who talks of multiple helicopters flying all day and the Americans going to Terbella as well. it was impossible to silence when the national and international media was there.

it was like a festival. people from local and other places were visiting the place and being told to stay back by half hearted officials
the officials were sheepishly hiding their red faces for the claims of the Americans so I dont recall anyone telling locals to stay quiet.