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BREAKING NEWS: Curfew in Khagrachhari

This what happen when dalal la-hasina withdrew army post to put a smile on her master face and to received so worthless indirah award.
Are you feeling the birth-peng of new "Hilli-Desh", Zakir Bhai? I've predicted it coming when RAWAMY-COMMIES had started to move soldiers out of there. This is going to be the repeatation of pre-71's episodes.

On a separate note, IND had successfully killed Kashmiri struggle by riding on uncle's emotional head on so-called terror-hunting down issue and making noise from its soil as terra-terra while developing terrorist-RAW's hornet nests in Afghanistan to strike by its will. Similarly, GOI made SH hand over ULFA leaders while it cretaed the deck of CREATIVE CHAOS in HT. What a masterful wickedness on turning table around! Even Chanakya would admit that his disciples exceeded him by a big margin.
 
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Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them
By SANJOY HAZARIKA, Special to The New York Times

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Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them - NYTimes.com


Wow........look at your excitement. In a hurry to post something defaming India, probably you didn't even notice that you have posted an article published 21 years ago....... And what do you have to say for this piece:

Since 1986, India has absorbed more than 51,000 refugee tribespeople, nearly 9,000 of them in the last two weeks, as they flee what is said to be military repression in the region. The refugees include supporters of the Shanti Bahini and leaders of the movement's political wing, the Jana Sanghata Samiti or People's Struggle Organization.

Bangladesh is the world's most densely populated region and one of its poorest. Since it was formed, Muslim settlers have been moving from other parts of the country to the lightly populated Chittagong Hill Tracts. The influx has changed the ethnic composition of the place and brought tension and clashes in its wake.

The current population of the Chittagong Hill Tracts is about one million, with nearly 600,000 tribespeople. The rest are Muslim settlers.

Bangladesh has stepped up a bitter army campaign against the Chakmas, sending them fleeing into India several times in the last 17 years. The 1986 exodus was the biggest. Rights Violations Reported

If you thoroughly believe the article, then India is on the right side. What else we could have done to prevent the influx of BD refugees into India?

P.S: Always better to READ before you post.
 
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Wow more cross border terrorism , we feel your pain east pakistani (bangladeshi brothers) we feel your pain
 
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major bad news from BD, this is all coming since hasina came to the government i think

Its too early to comment. We got to wait few more days as government is negotiating with both the parties (stakeholders of tribal and bengalees) to ease the situation. Dialogue should bring some fruits soon. We dont want a military rule in some part of our country.
 
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Probbly I am positive India is seeking an oppourtunity to enter Bangladesh (East Pakistan) one more time to take over it

I mean otherwise why would the army do such thing , again its hard to tell what is going on , but didn't some lady from Bangladesh (East Pakistan) went to India to recieve some award ...

I wonder what was discussed in those meetings
 
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The core issue in the Chittagong Hill Tracts is whether this land belongs only to the Paharis or bolongs equally to also the Bangalis. Paharis are free to go and settle in any part of the country. But, they systematically resist Bangla-speaking people to settle in that region. It is not logical, and therefore, is not acceptable.

Paharis like the land there to belong to them only. They also do not want to develop the region and they like to continue their traditional JOOM cultivation that brings only economic miseries to them. Govt of BD should not allow such an underdevelopment in any part of the country.

Begum Hasina is now facing the music by these insurgents who were strengthened by the unilateral withdrawal of military from there when still the Paharis detaste the presence of hard working Bangalis there. By concluding a peace treaty with them at her last term in power, this Begum has violated the Constitution of Bangladesh.
 
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Wow you are posting facts,but simply ignoring the real fact that Shanti Bahini was funded and trained by RAW and BSF under direct command from Indira Gandhi?

As if that was unexpected from you.:rolleyes:

@jana

Although Shanti bahini was not formed by India,but India had provided training,shelter and arms to these terrorists.
Even Shanti Bahini leaders acknowledges Indian help,but yet some Indians refuse to believe that.One example of Indian help:
Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them - NYTimes.com

Had India not given them arms,their struggle (read terrorism,as they indulged themselves in kidnapping,killing and extortion) would not have gained such momentum.

Some Indians are fond of calling Bangladesh a "terrorist safe heaven",whereas they completely ignore the fact that they have been harboring terrorists too.
Double standard.

I had shown GaribNawaz the links in another thread,yet he is defending his govts. misdeeds.And instead of accepting,he argued about the authenticity of the source.As if that was unexpected.:rolleyes:

So some insurgants say that India is supporting them and hence its truth.

While it is clear and evident even in Bangladesh that ULFA and other militant group in NE are at the mercy of BD Government that you call propaganda.

Next time when we meet in such thread, I will keep this attitude of yours in mind.

Please enlight me on the possible objectives that India might gain by supporting Shanti Bahini.

GB
 
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So some insurgants say that India is supporting them and hence its truth.

While it is clear and evident even in Bangladesh that ULFA and other militant group in NE are at the mercy of BD Government that you call propaganda.

Next time when we meet in such thread, I will keep this attitude of yours in mind.

Please enlight me on the possible objectives that India might gain by supporting Shanti Bahini.

GB

Same question can be asked to you too.period.

After 1975,Indian Govt. funded,trained and armed shanti Bahini.Sensing with the fall of Sheikh Mujib,things were going out of India's control.But that was a stupid move.
After the fall of Indira Gandhi govt.,the new Govt. of Moraji Desai decreased or probably ceased the aid to the insurgents.

I never claimed its all propaganda about ULFA and all.Don't try to generate your own facts.You don't even accept the truth.Even after showing you the truth,you show lame logic to counter it.

The truth is.as your terrorists are hiding here,our terrorists are also hiding in your country.
Just go to Kolkata,all the top terrors of Dhaka are having a sound sleep there.Just to name a few like infamous Seven star gang leaders.And yet you call us sheltering terrorists.
Next time you come up with Bangladesh sheltering terrorists,remember the words.

When the thief is telling who helped him,what better evidence do you need?
Do I need to bring Chakma terrorists in front of you and ask him?
This is discussion forum,not an interrogation cell.At best you can ask for a neutral source,which I have provided.

You always ask for links,now what happened?Didn't like the contents of the link?

I don't have any thing more to see of your double standard.Next time before trying argue on a matter,make sure you have enough knowledge on the matter.
 
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Same question can be asked to you too.period.

After 1975,Indian Govt. funded,trained and armed shanti Bahini.Sensing with the fall of Sheikh Mujib,things were going out of India's control.But that was a stupid move.
After the fall of Indira Gandhi govt.,the new Govt. of Moraji Desai decreased or probably ceased the aid to the insurgents.

I never claimed its all propaganda about ULFA and all.Don't try to generate your own facts.You don't even accept the truth.Even after showing you the truth,you show lame logic to counter it.

The truth is.as your terrorists are hiding here,our terrorists are also hiding in your country.
Just go to Kolkata,all the top terrors of Dhaka are having a sound sleep there.Just to name a few like infamous Seven star gang leaders.And yet you call us sheltering terrorists.
Next time you come up with Bangladesh sheltering terrorists,remember the words.

When the thief is telling who helped him,what better evidence do you need?
Do I need to bring Chakma terrorists in front of you and ask him?
This is discussion forum,not an interrogation cell.At best you can ask for a neutral source,which I have provided.

You always ask for links,now what happened?Didn't like the contents of the link?

I don't have any thing more to see of your double standard.Next time before trying argue on a matter,make sure you have enough knowledge on the matter.

I still didnt get it.

How creating/funding Shanti Bahini helped India?

What was the benifit for India out of this?

GB
 
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I still didnt get it.

How creating/funding Shanti Bahini helped India?

What was the benifit for India out of this?

GB

Then I will have to go deeper into history.Putting it in short.

After Sheikh Mujib's assassination,the new Govt. was not inclined to India.Which meant India did not have the control it wanted over Bangladesh.This was one of the most important flaw of Indian Govt. policy,which resulted in the deterioration of the Indo-BD relation.
Indian Govt. policymakers at that time,thought of Bangladesh more like another Indian state,rather than respecting the fact that Bangladesh was a sovereign nation.
I hope that attitude has improved now.

So,a few loyalists of Sheikh Mujib,like Kaderia Bahini(former FF) planned to overthrow the Govt.,and install a new pro-Mujib Govt.And at the same time the Shanti bahini was trained by Indian BSF and RAW,so that they destablize the CHT,and cause trouble for the Military rulers of Bangladesh.

Indian Govt. could have also wanted CHT to be annexed into India.With Chakma people living on both side of the border.

Now don't ask what would India gain by annexing CHT,as if India is a honey land and Bangladesh is a garbage depot.


But instead of toppling the govt.,what Shanti Bahini achieved was terrorizing civilians.Kidnapping,extortion,killing was common.For 20 years we suffered with the disease which India injected into our body.
It is reported that still some Shanti Bahini trainning camps exist in remote parts of Myanmar.

After peace treaty,many turned to drug-runners,arms dealer and smugglers.Also extortion is common there.

That's why army has a large concentration in CHT.With probably 3 cantonments and hundreds of temporary camps scattered across.
 
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Then I will have to go deeper into history.Putting it in short.

After Sheikh Mujib's assassination,the new Govt. was not inclined to India.Which meant India did not have the control it wanted over Bangladesh.This was one of the most important flaw of Indian Govt. policy,which resulted in the deterioration of the Indo-BD relation.
Indian Govt. policymakers at that time,thought of Bangladesh more like another Indian state,rather than respecting the fact that Bangladesh was a sovereign nation.
I hope that attitude has improved now.

So,a few loyalists of Sheikh Mujib,like Kaderia Bahini(former FF) planned to overthrow the Govt.,and install a new pro-Mujib Govt.And at the same time the Shanti bahini was trained by Indian BSF and RAW,so that they destablize the CHT,and cause trouble for the Military rulers of Bangladesh.

Indian Govt. could have also wanted CHT to be annexed into India.With Chakma people living on both side of the border.

Now don't ask what would India gain by annexing CHT,as if India is a honey land and Bangladesh is a garbage depot.


But instead of toppling the govt.,what Shanti Bahini achieved was terrorizing civilians.Kidnapping,extortion,killing was common.For 20 years we suffered with the disease which India injected into our body.
It is reported that still some Shanti Bahini trainning camps exist in remote parts of Myanmar.

After peace treaty,many turned to drug-runners,arms dealer and smugglers.Also extortion is common there.

That's why army has a large concentration in CHT.With probably 3 cantonments and hundreds of temporary camps scattered across.

If India wanted to annexed CHT. We would have done it back in 1971 itself.

No one was in position to stop us back then.

If Banglaesh is aware of India supporting Shanti Bahini, then why no BD Government till date raised the issue with India?

If BSF&RAW was training Shanti Bahini, then what was BD armed forces were doing in order to destroy it?

In one NY Times report some militiants claim that they were supported by India.

Where are the BD media reports on India's hand behind Shanti Bahini?

Are any proofs shared with India by BD Government till date?

If not then anything and everything is speculation.

GB
 
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India backed Shanti Bahini, Burmese rebels: book

By Subhra Kanti Gupta

Kolkata, Nov 9 (bdnews24.com)--Indira Gandhi was voted out of power in 1977, just when India's external intelligence organisation, R&AW, was preparing to substantially step up its backing for the Shanti Bahini, says Subir Bhaumik in his just-released book "Troubled Periphery:Crisis of India's Northeast".

Bhaumik, a journalist and academic researcher for three decades, has provided graphic details of the R&AW's involvement in the Chittagong Hill Tracts and Burma's Kachin Hills in his latest book. But he makes it clear the "orders came right from the top" and were not operations generated by the agency.

"The immediate provocation for the Indian sponsorship of the Shanti Bahini guerrillas .. was the military coup that killed Sheikh Mujibur Rehman and many members of his family. To Indira gandhi, this coup was a political defiance of India .

"Within a week of the coup, senior R&AW leaders arrived in Tripura's capital Agartala with a clear brief for their subordinates: Get
those Chakma leaders who want to fight Bangladesh."


Bhaumik's findings is based on detailed interviews of Shanti Bahini guerrilla commanders and R&AW officials and the book is replete with such references.

One Shanti Bahini leader tells Bhaumik about the quality of Indian training.

"The Indian training was intensive and tough as the instructors had served with military units in Nagaland and Mizoram. The leadership element of the course was gruelling and involved war games and dummy attacks.

"The instructors would observe how we went about the attack and whether we had absorbed the theoretical lessons. They would severely admonish us if we were found lacking. They always reminded us of the maxim that you bleed less in war if you train well in peace."

Indira Gandhi's election defeat in 1977 saved Bangladesh, then grappling with mutinies and domestic unrest, from huge trouble, suggests Bhaumik.

"Just when the Shanti Bahini were told to prepare for the big push forward and that India would support a strength of 15000 guerrillas came the news of Mrs Gandhi's election debacle and the Congress defeat...
"It is not clear how far Mrs Gandhi wanted to go and it is possible that, after the liberation of Bangladesh, she could see the value of a successful foreign campaign could boost her dropping popularity back home.

"But her defeat changed the course of events . The R&AW plans to intensify the guerrilla war in Chittagong Hill
Tracts were put on hold when Morarji Desai took over as Prime Minister. The R&AW topbrass were categorically told to lay off from CHT."

Bhaumik's book says the support to Shanti Bahini was resumed when Mrs Gandhi came back to power--but by then, the Bahini was in the throes of a fratricidal war that led to the assasination of its chief M N Larma.


It says that R&AW's Agartala station chief at that time, Parimal Ghosh even resolved this fratricidal conflict by drafting an agreement between the two Shanti Bahini factions.

Ghosh in 1971 was close to General (then Major) Ziaur Rahman and operated under his pseudonym Captain Hossain Ali.

As a BSF officer, he fought at the Shuvapur bridge with the Mukti Fauj.

Bhaumik also details how the R&AW won over the Kachin Independence Army (KIA) and started giving them weapons -- just to ensure they would not back any Northeast Indian rebel groups anymore.

The man instrumental in this operation was one of the most successful R&AW operatives , B.B.Nandi, who had also served as their station chief in Dhaka.

During Nandi's tenure as station chief at Bangkok, he developed close links with the Burmese underground groups, specially the Kachins.

Bhaumik says that Nandi even planted a R&AW communications team at the KIA headquarters in the early 1990s, from where they monitored the China-bound movements of the northeast Indian rebels .

After retirement, Nandi became a fierce critic of the R&AW and the Indian government when Delhi started befriending Burma's military junta and the BNP-Jamaat combine in Dhaka.

Bhaumik's book , published by Sage, details the major issues of conflict in northeast India -- land,language, leadership, ethnicity, ideology , religion -- and offers a policy framework for resolving the crisis.

It says the region suffers from severe "democracy and development deficit" and argues that a secular and democratic Bangladesh and a truly federal and democratic Burma is crucial to the stability of India's Northeast.

bdnews24.com/bd/1921h.

India backed Shanti Bahini, Burmese rebels: book | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com
 
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If India wanted to annexed CHT. We would have done it back in 1971 itself.

No one was in position to stop us back then.

At this point you are talking like a primary school student.

You are forgetting the fact that,because of the support of the locals,Indian army was able to make quick invasion.

People of Bangladesh did not fight for Independence only to find themselves to be a part of another country.

Had India done that,then it would have faced sanctions from Western world,as many countries were recognising the State of Bangladesh.

Now do I have to explain things further on this?


If Banglaesh is aware of India supporting Shanti Bahini, then why no BD Government till date raised the issue with India?

If BSF&RAW was training Shanti Bahini, then what was BD armed forces were doing in order to destroy it?

In one NY Times report some militiants claim that they were supported by India.

Where are the BD media reports on India's hand behind Shanti Bahini?

Are any proofs shared with India by BD Government till date?

If not then anything and everything is speculation.

GB

What proof did India show of ULFA camps inside BD territory?

You are talking about one article because I posted one article.I can present hundreds of Bangladeshi articles,but you will simply avoid them.So I decided to put a neutral source.

Here is one from OutlookIndia:Dated 1997

Shrill Chimes Of Chittagong
Besides, the insurgents have also been weakened by infighting, failure to achieve any specific goal and, more importantly, the ambivalence of India in providing sanctuaries and other material help, crucial for carrying on the struggle.

The shift in the Indian attitude dates back to 1991-92 but was concretised after the change of governments last year in both New Delhi and Dhaka. The two regimes have agreed in principle to stop aiding insurgents in carrying out subversive activities from their respective territories. In fact, the tardy peace process under way since 1992 received a big boost following a declaration by Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and her then Indian counterpart, Deve Gowda, that they would stop cross-border insurgencies.

www.outlookindia.com | Shrill Chimes Of Chittagong

This gives the answer to your many queries above.

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What was army doing to stop them?

Man..you seriously lack knowledge on your neighbour.BD armed forces were started from scratch.Shanti bahini used guerrilla tactics to ambush military personnel.BD army was in poor shape,only after 1980s,it was able to dominate.



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At the end,stop defending every decision of your Govt.
And learn to accept the fact.
 
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At this point you are talking like a primary school student.

You are forgetting the fact that,because of the support of the locals,Indian army was able to make quick invasion.

People of Bangladesh did not fight for Independence only to find themselves to be a part of another country.

Had India done that,then it would have faced sanctions from Western world,as many countries were recognising the State of Bangladesh.

Now do I have to explain things further on this?

India was already under sanctions from western world.

The move against India in the UN security council was only vetod by Russia.

India defied the US 7th Fleet thanks to the USSR who placed their subs for protection.

With war in 1971 India was already under sanctions.

Nothing worse could have happened.

The same western world put sanctions on India in 1998.

The results are in front of everyone.

GB
 
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Nothing worse could have happened.

Are you not satisfied with troubles of your NE,that you want to annex CHT too?

Why India did not immediately annex Bangladesh?

the reason is Indian people themselves.They wouldn't have let that happen.As their was a close and intimate relation,and sympathy for our cause back then.


P.S:

Shall I take your attempt to drag the debate to another sphere,be counted as,you have accepted the fact that Indian Govt. indeed commit a misdeed?
 
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