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[garibnawaz]

Are you not satisfied with troubles of your NE,that you want to annex CHT too?

Why India did not immediately annex Bangladesh?

the reason is Indian people themselves.They wouldn't have let that happen.As their was a close and intimate relation,and sympathy for our cause back then.

My point.

We didn't annexed CHT or BD coz we didn't wanted then neither we want to do it today.

I never said we wanted to liberate CHT or want to destabilize it.

If we wanted we would have done it in 1971 only. No need to wait till Mujeeb getting assassinated.

Shall I take your attempt to drag the debate to another sphere,be counted as,you have accepted the fact that Indian Govt. indeed commit a misdeed?

If my Government is culprit here, why BD has never raised this issue with India?

Even Pakistan has raised Balochistan lately?

As per you India is involved in CHT since 1975. BD saw different Governments right from 1975 to 2010. Why no one ever raised this issue with India?

GB

 

[leonblack08]

If my Government is culprit here, why BD has never raised this issue with India?

Even Pakistan has raised Balochistan lately?

As per you India is involved in CHT since 1975. BD saw different Governments right from 1975 to 2010. Why no one ever raised this issue with India?

GB

There you go..you are up with your ranting again.Have you taken your time to read the extract from the Outlook India article I posted,where it clearly says that such issue was discussed.

Shrill Chimes Of Chittagong

Besides, the insurgents have also been weakened by infighting, failure to achieve any specific goal and, more importantly, the ambivalence of India in providing sanctuaries and other material help, crucial for carrying on the struggle.

The shift in the Indian attitude dates back to 1991-92 but was concretised after the change of governments last year in both New Delhi and Dhaka. The two regimes have agreed in principle to stop aiding insurgents in carrying out subversive activities from their respective territories. In fact, the tardy peace process under way since 1992 received a big boost following a declaration by Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and her then Indian counterpart, Deve Gowda, that they would stop cross-border insurgencies.

www.outlookindia.com | Shrill Chimes Of Chittagong



You can think your Govt. is the saint around here and you all are decendants of saints..but that does not change any fact.When the terrorists themselves accept they were sheltered and trained and armed by India,you are asking here why we didn't raise the issue.Pathetic attempt,as always from you to keep your point on top.

And right now you are trying to twist a well established and proven fact.And I have no intention of giving 101 classes to a ignorant and more importantly Ultra-nationalistic person.

Personally I hate talking to this type of person.

 

[garibnawaz]

There you go..you are up with your ranting again.Have you taken your time to read the extract from the Outlook India article I posted,where it clearly says that such issue was discussed.


You can think your Govt. is the saint around here and you all are decendants of saints..but that does not change any fact.When the terrorists themselves accept they were sheltered and trained and armed by India,you are asking here why we didn't raise the issue.Pathetic attempt,as always from you to keep your point on top.

And right now you are trying to twist a well established and proven fact.And I have no intention of giving 101 classes to a ignorant and more importantly Ultra-nationalistic person.

The outlook article has generic points. Nothing concrete.

What proof/dossier BD Government has provided to India?

(Like India provides to Pakistan or vice versa?)

Dont give me the crap that some BD paid insurgants told NYtimes that India was supporting them.

What happened to BD media or Indian Media?

All of sudden some insurgants in BD went to NYtimes and hey we want to reveal a secrret. India was supporting us.

From where this Shanti Bahini insurgants got weapons? Did they have any Indian weapons? If yes did BD army captured them? Did they displayed them publically?

The same outlook article also points out incompetence of BD army. I am sure you will accept the same since the outlook article (Indian Media) is all of sudden truth here.

For its part, Dhaka realises that a military operation will not achieve much, given the heavy human, social and economic losses it entails. "I don't think there can be any military solution to the conflict and it must be settled politically," says Maj Gen Abdul Matin, commander of the Chittagong army division. This admission underscores the failure of 70,000 well-trained security personnel backed by vastly superior fire power, helicopters and a huge amount of money to put down the 20-year-old insurgency carried out by a poorly-equipped, ragged guerrilla force of no more than 5,000.

Another vicious enemy, the mosquito, has further weakened the resolve of the military in tackling insurgency. "Malaria is our biggest enemy, not the Shanti Bahini," says Brig Kazi Ashfaque Ahmed, regional army commander of Khagrachari hill district. In the past few years, more men in uniform have succumbed to the deadly cerebral malaria than to the insurgents' bullets. According to official statistics, 75 troops died of malaria in last five years compared to 23 deaths from encounters.

Personally I hate talking to this type of person.

Stop talking to all ur countrymen on this forum to begin with.

I dont give a damn if u want to talk to me or not. As I said before many times, come up with concrete sources/links or shut up.

GB

 

[leonblack08]

Oh yes, now the terrorist becomes BD paid???

Look at your double standard.

I will keep that in mind when you bring up the million of illegal immigrant issue in future.Besides what do you expect me to do,do some field research??

As for our army's incompetence,yes I do agree on that.They had very hard time fighting against guerrillas in dense forest.
besides our army was strengthened only during the '80s.before that they were in an even poor state,considering the fact we had to start everything from scratch.


Now that's the difference between You and me.I accept what's true,but you don't.

And as for my countrymen:

Some are not in the ultra nationalistic category as you.And those are,I don't really communicate with them,unless they quote me.

So I will start with you.

 

[garibnawaz]

Oh yes, now the terrorist becomes BD paid???

Look at your double standard.

I will keep that in mind when you bring up the million of illegal immigrant issue in future.Besides what do you expect me to do,do some field research??

Double standard?

For ages BD is denying harboring NE insurgants and anti India elements, despite of the fact that Indian Government has given proofs and dossiers to BD.

Where are such proofs and dossiers from BD when it comes to Shanti Bahini and Indian involvement? What intelligence sharing BD has done with India?

All you quoted is some generic lines, which means nothing.

and if you are so much ranting about outlook here is my response.

http://www.idsa.in/system/files/strategicanalysis_sbhardwaj_0603.pdf

Will you consider this as absolute truth now?

There are many who claim that TTP is RAW's child. Many claim that TTP leaders confessed of RAW's help etc. however Pakistan Government is yet to come to India with such claims and objections, dossiers and proofs until then everything remains fantasy.

Same applies to Shanti Bahini allegations.

GB

 

[leonblack08]

What proofs do you need exactly?

Arms with seal "made in India"..that kind of "proofs" ??
Why are you blabbering about proof every time?Go visit your NE,and might find one or two Shanti Bahini camp still in existence.
What do you mean by "proof" ?Isn't the confession by top Shanti bahini leaders enough?

And why didn't India raise any objection to their claim??
Why did Indian govt. remained silent?

Because Indian Govt. knew of that fact.They knew they were guilty.And after Moraji desai Govt. came to power,they apparently stopped supplying arms.

And when I gave a NY times link...you said terrorists were paid.
When you asked for Indian link,I gave you Indian link...you don't seem to like that too.

Now if you don't like the content (as it is a bitter TRUTH),I can't help you.

The bottom line is,even if I show you one way or the other,you are going to keep on ignoring.

So what's the point of talking to you?Absolutely nothing.


Give me a break.

 

[garibnawaz]

And why didn't India raise any objection to their claim??
Why did Indian govt. remained silent?

Media in India is free to rant anything. Government has more issues to look after than countering such fancy journalism.

What proofs do you need exactly?
Arms with seal "made in India"..that kind of "proofs" ??
Why are you blabbering about proof every time?Go visit your NE,and might find one or two Shanti Bahini camp still in existence.
What do you mean by "proof" ?

Did BD Government gave any dossier or other proof of Indian involvement?

Simple question.

When India came up with such claims against Pakistan or BD dossiers and proofs were shared to back such claims.

Isn't the confession by top Shanti bahini leaders enough?

What top leaders? Some random insurgants telling something to NYtimes is not top leaders.

When you asked for Indian link,I gave you Indian link...you don't seem to like that too.

I countered that with another Indian link. So what is the point here?

And after Moraji desai Govt. came to power,they apparently stopped supplying arms.

Indira allegedly started this in 1975.

Morarji Government was in power between 24 March 1977 – 28 July 1979.

Then came Charan Singh between 28 July 1979 – 14 January 1980

After that again it was Indira from 14 January 1980 till her death on 31 October 1984.

So u r saying that post 1977 India stopped supporting Shanti Bahini?

Just 2 years of Indian support made Shanti Bahini such strong organization?

GB

 

[leonblack08]

Ah..not again.

Care to check the meaning of apparently?
Then we can talk.

And as for arming and training and sheletering...wven if it was for two years,that was enough to fight against an army which was disorganised thanks to the successive coups and lacked the fire power due to lack of money.

Shanti Bahini initially had many successes in raiding BD military camps,and by the way,Do you understand the word "raiding",it means more supply for them.

With the guns provided by India,they were able to finance their play with kidnapping,extortion etc.


Have you ever heard the term "Force multiplier",well here something similar happened.So going back to the root,it was India to be blamed for training,arming and sheltering them.

And as for finding out the so called "dossiers",you do the trouble of finding them.

And don't prompt me to answer your posts again,I have much better things to do rather than convincing and "Proving" to you.

 

[garibnawaz]

With the guns provided by India

We shown the world Pakistan Ordanance Facotry made weapons from insurgants.

We shown the world Made in China weapons captured from insurgants.

We didnot showed fingers on others based on some articles.

We did the above to prove our point.

Where is proof? Without which I see no point.

GB

 

[eastwatch]

My point.

We didn't annexed CHT or BD coz we didn't wanted then neither we want to do it today.
GB

Better do not write all those stupid things that you write in most of your posts. Why the hell did you say, "We didn't annex------BD coz we did not want them." What do you think of BD and its population now or in 1971? Is BD your FATHER's property? Could you Indians take it just by wishing? You bigots do not need even bullets, you die after hearing the sound of a shot.

In the 1971 war, only 1300 bigots were killed by the Pakistani army, but still you cry for that. We were killed in hundreds of thousands, but we do not cry.

BD is inside your stomach and the way stupid Indians like you and your politicians and bureaucrats speak with total disregard of our sovereignty, a day is coming when your coward Hindu India will also be engulfed in flames by the Jihadis. So, stop writing imaginery things and inflame the situation. Do not think, this forum is not read by them.

Because of your kind of saddists, we people think ourselves primarily as muslims. Come on with all your modern weapons, win and take over our Bangladesh if you have the gutts to do such a bravery. We will see to that. You bigots count only the number of BD soldiers, but you do not count the common people who will fight equally.

 

[fallstuff]

Better do not write all those stupid things that you write in most of your posts. Why the hell did you say, "We didn't annex------BD coz we did not want them." What do you think of BD and its population now or in 1971? Is BD your FATHER's property? Could you Indians take it just by wishing? You bigots do not need even bullets, you die after hearing the sound of a shot.

In the 1971 war, only 1300 bigots were killed by the Pakistani army, but still you cry for that. We were killed in hundreds of thousands, but we do not cry.

BD is inside your stomach and the way stupid Indians like you and your politicians and bureaucrats speak with total disregard of our sovereignty, a day is coming when your coward Hindu India will also be engulfed in flames by the Jihadis. So, stop writing imaginery things and inflame the situation. Do not think, this forum is not read by them.

Because of your kind of saddists, we people think ourselves primarily as muslims. Come on with all your modern weapons, win and take over our Bangladesh if you have the gutts to do such a bravery. We will see to that. You bigots count only the number of BD soldiers, but you do not count the common people who will fight equally.

Life inside the belly of the beast !! There are certain advantages to that.

 

[fallstuff]

@eastwatch

Calm down buddy. Don't let the bigots get to you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We shown the world Pakistan Ordanance Facotry made weapons from insurgants.

We shown the world Made in China weapons captured from insurgants.

We didnot showed fingers on others based on some articles.

We did the above to prove our point.

Where is proof? Without which I see no point.

GB

Still nobody gives a damn?

 

[Maira La]

We shown the world Pakistan Ordanance Facotry made weapons from insurgants.
GB

Proof?

We shown the world Made in China weapons captured from insurgants.
GB

Proof?

We didnot showed fingers on others based on some articles.
GB

Proof?

We did the above to prove our point.
GB

Were the evidence accepted by any non-Indian authority? Without a third party verification all pieces of evidence produced by the accusing side is trash. Period.

Where is proof? Without which I see no point.
GB

Oh please, you don't need to believe. First you ask for source, then Bangladeshi source is not enough for you, then suddenly Indian media "rants about anything" and now you need a picture of a weapon with the seal of Indian factories.

Before you come back with all your whining, please go ask any Indian Army officer. Learn all you can and please enlighten us.

Looks like you coughed up your statements in a hurry with all those spelling mistakes. Calm down, think and add "proof" before you make any claim. Brother, I also believe in the fact that "This is an online forum and everything needs to be evidence based. Mere opinion is garbage!", only while replying to you.

You're !!

 

[sarthak]

Better do not write all those stupid things that you write in most of your posts. Why the hell did you say, "We didn't annex------BD coz we did not want them." What do you think of BD and its population now or in 1971? Is BD your FATHER's property? Could you Indians take it just by wishing? You bigots do not need even bullets, you die after hearing the sound of a shot.

In the 1971 war, only 1300 bigots were killed by the Pakistani army, but still you cry for that. We were killed in hundreds of thousands, but we do not cry.

BD is inside your stomach and the way stupid Indians like you and your politicians and bureaucrats speak with total disregard of our sovereignty, a day is coming when your coward Hindu India will also be engulfed in flames by the Jihadis. So, stop writing imaginery things and inflame the situation. Do not think, this forum is not read by them.

Because of your kind of saddists, we people think ourselves primarily as muslims. Come on with all your modern weapons, win and take over our Bangladesh if you have the gutts to do such a bravery. We will see to that. You bigots count only the number of BD soldiers, but you do not count the common people who will fight equally.

Stop your emotional rants and for a change , use sense while posting. Your posts are pathetically redundant and all they seem to say is that BD can defeat India blah blah and all that crap.
We have enough bravery to take over BD but we are not pathetic enough to do that sort of stuff. Dude, just stop giving your empty threats, we have heard enough of them in your earlier posts already.
What do you think the 1.2 billion people in India will do when your "common people" fight against us? Do not take our diversity as a weakness. We have enough unity to take on a weak and incapable enemy such as BD.