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BREAKING NEWS - A Pakistani anti-terrorism court has sentenced Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed to 31 years in jail.

This is like fulfilling American wish list. Expect a bomb blast or something to gain sympathy. Kashmir is already lost so this is just drama. The world is laughing at us.
 
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Dawn, geo, Express and PMLN and PPP government are compromised, there are many ways evidence can be planted, did evidence was not planted for 9 11?

Well, There are Just 2 problems with your Statement.

1. I didnt provide JUST Pakistani links. But this Book as well : https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Kasab/fgfVYESuQe4C?hl=en&gbpv=0 [ Read it ]

2. If you dot believ your own news/media for your own matters, well, why on earth should India believe ony BS that speak for kashmir ? Why should it be that, its pakistan who decides which "version" of facts should be accepted. No wonder, this is the reason why your foreign policy is a Joke and you own ..PM, praises Indian Foreign Policy in Public.
 
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Pakistanis will always keep you in our prayers, hearts and remember you for your services - you are a proud son of the motherland that every Pakistani is proud of, every mother wishes for a son like you
ALWAYS!,
but I hope its temporary and youll be back
I would recommend you remove that profile pic, Saeed is on the FBI most wanted list and is blacklisted by the UN and Interpol.
 
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Well, There are Just 2 problems with your Statement.

1. I didnt provide JUST Pakistani links. But this Book as well : https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Kasab/fgfVYESuQe4C?hl=en&gbpv=0 [ Read it ]

2. If you dot believ your own news/media for your own matters, well, why on earth should India believe ony BS that speak for kashmir ? Why should it be that, its pakistan who decides which "version" of facts should be accepted. No wonder, this is the reason why your foreign policy is a Joke and you own ..PM, praises Indian Foreign Policy in Public.
I said evidence can be staged, which was in this case, let me give you an example
Suppose some foreign agency train few Indians in India in some place and then use them to attack Pakistan and then make it look like Modi is behind it, was he?
Indian media can find proofs that attackers were Indians and trained at a place in India thus Modi is responsible, you see how these false flags are conducted. Yes it was a failure of Pakistani Agencies they could not stop such an hideous attack, every Pakistani condemn that attack.
Hafiz Saeed has denied any involvement in the attacks and condemned it, so did others who were blamed.
Don't you see those attacks are the reason behind Modi coming into power and RSS gaining complete control in India. Think about it, to understand it better look into Samhota Express attack in which Hindu extremists and extremists from the Indian army were involved, and those who were investigating samjhota express, that whole team was killed in Mumbai Hotel. Connect the dots.
And what did India do in response they attacked Pakistani civilians through terrorism and supported all terrorist groups that were targeting Pakistan, and still support them.
 
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Same old story from our corrupt Pakistanis back home treachery at the heart of it they’ve will sell the whole republic off and our dignity cheaply pleasuring USA interests and its new friends Indians. In no way this is right what they’ve done to this loyal guy and his peoples sacrifices in IOK. probably is the final death nail to the cause. I’m very disgusted upset by this news there’s not lot can be done the republic is in his final days like Rome was at time all insiders fighting and jostling for the top job willing to the highest bidder to buy there loyalty as Washington smiles job well done again
 
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I said evidence can be staged, which was in this case, let me give you an example
Suppose some foreign agency train few Indians in India in some place and then use them to attack Pakistan and then make it look like Modi is behind it, was he?
Indian media can find proofs that attackers were Indians and trained at a place in India thus Modi is responsible, you see how these false flags are conducted. Yes it was a failure of Pakistani Agencies they could not stop such an hideous attack, every Pakistani condemn that attack.
Hafiz Saeed has denied any involvement in the attacks and condemned it, so did others who were blamed.
Don't you see those attacks are the reason behind Modi coming into power and RSS gaining complete control in India. Think about it, to understand it better look into Samhota Express attack in which Hindu extremists and extremists from the Indian army were involved, and those who were investigating samjhota express, that whole team was killed in Mumbai Hotel. Connect the dots.
And what did India do in response they attacked Pakistani civilians through terrorism and supported all terrorist groups that were targeting Pakistan, and still support them.

With respect my friend. Our court judges Republic agree Indian narrative and found him guilty and sentenced to about 30 odd years or house arrest it’s all the same it’s done now just live with the consequences of what has been done ? No argument or logic can help us we’ve agreed to foreign elements on his guilt
 
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Hafiz Saeed is banged up to please the Americans, whilst TTP
terrorists got second chance to cause havoc. This stupid
establishment released Abhinandhan who came to bomb Pakistan,
but bangs up a patriotic Pakistani.
 
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Hafiz Saeed is banged up to please the Americans, whilst TTP
terrorists got second chance to cause havoc. This stupid
establishment released Abhinandhan who came to bomb Pakistan,
but bangs up a patriotic Pakistani.
Establishment will put IK behind the bars if needed to save nation,
Pakistan has a fragile social structure, different ethnicities, tensed environment, large amount of hatred & accessible weapons
If a situation like SL arise then it will be impossible to control chaos in a setup like pakistan, hence the ones in power & well wishers of the nation will go to any limit to avoid such situation
 
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Is there a Quran verse for that ? I don't have a beard and I am among the ultimate that Islam desires for a Muslim, thank you. That "Sunnah beard" is most likely a combination of non-Islamic Jewish appearance, Christian appearance, other West Asian appearance and Greek appearance that was ascribed to Hazrat Muhammad by Bukhari living more than a 100 years after him. You are just being a ritualist. Check if these revolutionary modern Muslims ( a Muslim should be revolutionary ) had beards : Shaukat Usmani, Jamal Abdul Nasser, Muammar Gaddafi, Hafiz al Assad, Faiz Ahmed Faiz.

Just because you don't want it doesn't mean it is non-existent in Islam. Hadith is narrated by Hazrat Ayesha RA and Hazrat Abu Hurraraih RA in Sahi Muslim. There is another Hadith in Sahi Bukhari narrated by Ibn Umar. And please don't reply if you doesn't believe in Hadith. I can't force you.

1. Narrated Nafi’: Ibn Umar said, The Prophet said, ‘Do the opposite of what the pagans do. Keep the beard s and cut the moustaches short.’ Whenever Ibn ‘Umar performed the Hajj or ‘Umra, he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches. Ibn Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible, and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard . (Bukhari Book 72 Hadith 780)

2. According to another report: ‘ Be different from the mushrikeen: cut the moustache and let the beard grow. ” Narrated by Muslim, 602.

3. And Muslim (383) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians (Zoroastrians). ”

4. On one occasion, when the Prophet s.a.w received two of Kissra’s11 emissaries, he disliked to look at them when he saw that they were shaven and with grown
mustaches. He ρ said:
“Woe to you! Who ordered you to do this? They said: “Our Lord (meaning their
Kissra)”. The Messenger of Allaah ρ then said: “ But my Rabb (Allaah) ordered me to let my beard grow and to trim my mustache.”

The imperative wording in the Prophet’s statement indicates that it is obligatory to comply with the command, and as such, the one who complies will be rewarded and the one who does not is subject to punishment (i.e. as Allaah (Subhanahu wa taala) wishes).

5. Mother of the Believers, ‘Aisha ﺭﺿﻲ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻨﻬﺎ , said that the Prophet s.a.w said:

“Ten are the acts of Fitrah: clipping the mustache, letting the beard grow, using as-Siwaak, snuffing up water in the nose, cutting the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the hair under the armpits, shaving the pubes, and cleaning one’s private parts with water. The narrator said, ‘I have forgotten the tenth, but it may have been rinsing the mouth.’” { Muslim in his Saheeh, V.1, hadeeth # 502. }
The Fitrah is the state upon which the creation of Allaah’s bondsmen has been initiated. He implanted within their nature, its execution, an inclination towards it, and a tendency to like it; He brought them to dislike what contradicts it. In fact, if a man abandons the qualities of Fitrah, his feature will no longer be like that of human being,-then how should one from amongst the common people of Islam, the Deen of Fitrah, be?!
 
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Just because you don't want it doesn't mean it is non-existent in Islam. Hadith is narrated by Hazrat Ayesha RA and Hazrat Abu Hurraraih RA in Sahi Muslim. There is another Hadith in Sahi Bukhari narrated by Ibn Umar. And please don't reply if you doesn't believe in Hadith. I can't force you.

1. Narrated Nafi’: Ibn Umar said, The Prophet said, ‘Do the opposite of what the pagans do. Keep the beard s and cut the moustaches short.’ Whenever Ibn ‘Umar performed the Hajj or ‘Umra, he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches. Ibn Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible, and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard . (Bukhari Book 72 Hadith 780)

2. According to another report: ‘ Be different from the mushrikeen: cut the moustache and let the beard grow. ” Narrated by Muslim, 602.

3. And Muslim (383) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians (Zoroastrians). ”

4. On one occasion, when the Prophet s.a.w received two of Kissra’s11 emissaries, he disliked to look at them when he saw that they were shaven and with grown
mustaches. He ρ said:
“Woe to you! Who ordered you to do this? They said: “Our Lord (meaning their
Kissra)”. The Messenger of Allaah ρ then said: “ But my Rabb (Allaah) ordered me to let my beard grow and to trim my mustache.”

The imperative wording in the Prophet’s statement indicates that it is obligatory to comply with the command, and as such, the one who complies will be rewarded and the one who does not is subject to punishment (i.e. as Allaah (Subhanahu wa taala) wishes).

5. Mother of the Believers, ‘Aisha ﺭﺿﻲ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻨﻬﺎ , said that the Prophet s.a.w said:

“Ten are the acts of Fitrah: clipping the mustache, letting the beard grow, using as-Siwaak, snuffing up water in the nose, cutting the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the hair under the armpits, shaving the pubes, and cleaning one’s private parts with water. The narrator said, ‘I have forgotten the tenth, but it may have been rinsing the mouth.’” { Muslim in his Saheeh, V.1, hadeeth # 502. }
The Fitrah is the state upon which the creation of Allaah’s bondsmen has been initiated. He implanted within their nature, its execution, an inclination towards it, and a tendency to like it; He brought them to dislike what contradicts it. In fact, if a man abandons the qualities of Fitrah, his feature will no longer be like that of human being,-then how should one from amongst the common people of Islam, the Deen of Fitrah, be?!

I find a few issues with your post but I will bookmark your post and reply later.
 
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I was thinking about the larger strategic goal of Pakistan resting Kashmir away from India. Don't think asymmetric warfare is good enough for that. Just how I've always felt :undecided:
It is. The goal here is keep Kashmir on the boil until Indian equivalent of Gorbachev is elected and decides Kashmir is better off being independent and they plan to achieve this by below-
1. Eliminate pro Indian elements in Kashmir - pandits
2. Support the insurgency enough to keep Indian military deployed in Kashmir and thereby increasing local Kashmiri acrimony towards Indian Govt
 
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It is. The goal here is keep Kashmir on the boil until Indian equivalent of Gorbachev is elected and decides Kashmir is better off being independent and they plan to achieve this by below-
1. Eliminate pro Indian elements in Kashmir - pandits
2. Support the insurgency enough to keep Indian military deployed in Kashmir and thereby increasing local Kashmiri acrimony towards Indian Govt
If a Gorbachev type of leader takes over India, then India will have bigger problems than just Kashmir :laugh: Frankly, Gorbachev was a product of the circumstances in Soviet society at that time. India is a far cry from that today. Pandits are already out and are not likely to go back. I do agree that the deployment of Indian troops in Kashmir is beneficial for the Pakistani side. But still do not think that it is sufficient to move India out of Kashmir.

Only viable option for Pakistan is to cajole China into joining a two front war against India :undecided:
 
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If a Gorbachev type of leader takes over India, then India will have bigger problems than just Kashmir :laugh: Frankly, Gorbachev was a product of the circumstances in Soviet society at that time. India is a far cry from that today. Pandits are already out and are not likely to go back. I do agree that the deployment of Indian troops in Kashmir is beneficial for the Pakistani side. But still do not think that it is sufficient to move India out of Kashmir.

Only viable option for Pakistan is to cajole China into joining a two front war against India :undecided:
Not happening, if anything India's moves after Modi have only helped Pakistan's cause. I read through sentiments of Kashmiri expats and students some ten years ago and they were focused on their prosperity and using the Indian system to get more rights rather than independence.
That was a time I was sure Pakistan was going to lose the Kashmir issue since the echoes of wanting a semi-independent life were also hitting Azad Kashmir.
The current regime is plainly trying demographic change to legalize the idea that Kashmir isn't disputed but that can never permeate through either sides nationalist lens. Not that it isn't a shrewd if not brutal way to solve an issue.
 
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