BREAKING-LEGISLATION ON BEEF BAN PASSED UNANIMOUSLY IN PARLIAMENT!!!

[Crystal-Clear]

A Muslim can be a true Muslim even being a vegetarian...
And I just don't understand why this fuss is about beef...what is the point in eating beef by hurting the sentiments of majority of people

and what is the point of intervening in minority's matter ?

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

Sounds like a good day for the cow worshippers.

 

[halupridol]

That SHOULD be the rule when it comes to that.

They are not even the Ahl e qitab. We need to emulate Western ideals to build our cultures.


Good then.

Would not have impacted us in any major way either anyway.

U dont fool me jobless bhakt,,trying to incite hatred.
@Zarvan iss fake muslman ki class lo,,ask somtng which cant be easily found on internet

 

[prashantazazel]

Agree. I have also met many people who await their non-productive parents and other senior citizens death who have become a burden on the family and the society at large.

Since this government has decided to pass this beef legislation, it should also make sure there are no cows roaming on the roads, causing accidents.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Since this government has decided to pass this beef legislation, it should also make sure there are no cows roaming on the roads, causing accidents.

Cow slaughter is a state subject. Center cannot change it. This is not an issue in the South and North east. It is a political issue in the northern states only.

If BJP sincerely cared about bovines, you would not see cows & oxen roaming around eating plastic bags.

 

[prashantazazel]

Cow slaughter is a state subject. Center cannot change it. This is not an issue in the South and North east. It is a political issue in the northern states only.

If BJP sincerely cared about bovines, you would not see cows & oxen roaming around eating plastic bags.

When their owners don't care about the cows, why would any political party do that. This issue needs a popular vote or referendum. I have met thousands and thousands of people in various cities and towns of India. Hardly anyone has even touched a cow, ever in their lives. Most won't care if the bovines are slaughtered away from the public eye.

 

[aman_rai]

and what is the point of intervening in minority's matter ?

Aacha... Minority Jo h wo majority ki sentiments ki koi kadr nahi kre Magar majority hi Dhyan rakhe...
This will lead to more trust deficit in society

U dont fool me jobless bhakt,,trying to incite hatred.
@Zarvan iss fake muslman ki class lo,,ask somtng which cant be easily found on internet

Q?? Tmhe Islam ki jankari Kam h kya??

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

When their owners don't care about the cows, why would any political party do that. This issue needs a popular vote or referendum. I have met thousands and thousands of people in various cities and towns of India. Hardly anyone has even touched a cow, ever in their lives. Most won't care if the bovines are slaughtered away from the public eye.

Exactly. We need old age homes because the kids don't care about their elderly parents. It is NGOs who are running many old age homes and now have started running gaushalas too.

 

[prashantazazel]

Exactly. We need old age homes because the kids don't care about their elderly parents. It is NGOs who are running many old age homes and now have started running gaushalas too.

Clearly ineffective at controlling the mess on the roads.

Exactly. We need old age homes because the kids don't care about their elderly parents. It is NGOs who are running many old age homes and now have started running gaushalas too.

Clearly ineffective at controlling the mess on the roads.

 

[mb444]

Five fingers is not equal, bro, @mb444 is not Muslim at all, our prophet always preaches against this mentality and if some ask him the advantages of Islam and weakness of there religion then our prophet (PBUH) preaches to that person, always @Soumitra

Do enlighten us what the prophet says about proclaiming someone non Muslim?

So you are of the opinion prophet would have agreed that a cow is God! You sorely lack both religious knowledge and logical deductive capacity.

Leaving religion aside, anyone believing a cow is a higher being is patently stupid as there is not a shred of evidence to back up such a hypothesis. It is sentient but is it capable of higher thought? I am unaware of any such indication. it is merely a beast of burden. I am certain the average cow intelligence is probably quantifiable. it is worrying however that there is a billion people whose intelligence is clearly below that of an average cow because they clearly hold a dumb animal up as a god.

Good, and what does your Prophet says about breaking the law. If it is the law in some states that cow slaughter is banned will the muslims still try to eat beef?

People are not obliged to obey any unfair law... this is nothing to do with religion it's just common sense.

Facism has raised its ugly heads to oppress "others" from nazi Germany to Jim Crow US to apartheid south Africa..... hindutva fascism is more of the same and no one is bound by illogical and illegal laws.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Those Muslim states don't claim to be secular republics. Nice of u to lump all the Muslim countries together just so u can make this one point about Muslims having laws according to their own religion. If u were to look at ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Iran or ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Pakistan...sure u will find that there would be laws passed heavily favoring Muslims. In case of Pakistan I'm not sure about a law that prohibits ppl from eating in public during Ramadan...it might just be a cultural thing to frown upon it but since I'm not sure I won't argue over that. My point is that these two countries for example never declared to be SECULAR republics...it says right in the name. Pakistan especially was created in the name of Islam so Muslims can freely practice their religion. They are not two faced...what u see is what u get. Now if we look at Republic of Turkey, u'll see that it's not called ISLAMIC Republic of Turkey even though it's a Muslim majority country...and accordingly there's no such law banning u from eating out during Ramadan out of respect for Muslims or anything. In fact u can even order alcoholic beverages...granted that not many restaurants would offer that during Ramadan(during fasting hours) but that's more their decision and not a law. U get the difference yet? So next time when u try comparing an Islamic Republic and cite that they have laws favoring Muslims...do know that India isn't called HINDU REPUBLIC of India...therefore any such analogies would fall flat on their faces.

Also I see u brought up the old guy(Hindu) who was beat up by a mob for eating in public during Ramadan. I remember reading about that in the news. To my knowledge there's no such law in Pakistan, which bans public eating during Ramadan. The mob that beat him up wasn't exactly going by the law. Don't cite a crime and equate it with state law. By that reasoning I can bring up countless examples of lynchings over beef...and using ur reasoning equate it with state law. However I know better than that. I know there's no law in Pakistan that permits beating up old men and there's no law in India permitting lynchings. So if u can stop trolling for a second...let's get back to the law banning beef.

The point I'm making is that it's not the job of a secular state to tell which religious choices its citizens should or should not make. If it does for whatever reason(making the majority happy or whatever else) then by definition it's not a secular state.

Secular state means that the state will not interfere in the religious matters of its citizens. It will not make nor force religious choices on its citizens. In a secular state citizens are free to make their own religious choices.

So if a Muslim foregoes consuming beef and eats chicken instead in the presence of his Hindu friends out of consideration...that's great...that's his choice...he had the freedom to make that religious choice. If instead he was forced to make that choice due to a law passed by the state...then it is no longer his choice...he no longer has the religious freedom to make that choice. The choice was made for him by the state.

How is eating beef not comparable to Hindu method of worship? Let's examine them both...

In case of beef...in terms of Islam: it is only in recent times that humans have had a surplus of food enough that generally middle class or above can almost have meat daily. In the old times when Islam came about meat was a luxury. On Eid-ul-Adha in commemoration of Prophet Abraham sacrificing his son, Muslims are to sacrifice one of the Halal animals and the meat is to be divided amongst u and ur family, neighbors/friends, and the poor/needy. So here a cow can be used as a halal animal for sacrifice. However it's also perfectly fine to use a goat, sheep, camel, etc. The main point is that the slaughter of COW isn't MANDATORY.

Now let's look at Hindu method of worship. The nature of worship in Hinduism remains undefined. It is not obligatory...like for example unlike Islam there isn't a set number of times Hindus have to pray/worship. It's unconditional, unrestricted and not dependent on fixed time...it's rather based on customs instead and not ordained by the religion. Even selecting who to pray/worship to is optional. One family member might pray to Ram while another may pray to Kali. Though common practice has been for centuries and remains that Hindus pray to moortis(idols), which are representations of their gods...it is also not mandatory. If a person is traveling...on a train...and he wishes to pray to Lakshmi devi, his prayer is just as valid as if he was to pray to her moorti.

This is why I gave that analogy
...if the circumstances were reversed...
how would Hindus feel if they were the minority and Muslims were majority in a SECULAR India...
...and a law was passed to ban all the idols/idol worshipping bcuz "it hurts the sentiments of the Muslim majority"(since idolatry is a big no no in Islam and is considered an insult to the one true God) and the reasoning was..."well it's not mandatory for u guys anyways"

Again if it was HINDU REPUBLIC of India...and laws were passed favoring Hinduism...that's fine. However ur forefathers specifically made the case of a secular India. If u guys don't want to continue in that direction then go ahead change it to a Hindu Republic...so at least ppl know what to expect while living in that country. It's this two face thing that's the issue here.

You did argue well on my other points except my last point. Why does Muslims need to have own Personal Laws in a secular state? I see Pakistani guys were vehemently attacking Modi for Abolishing triple talaq when its banned in Pakistan anyway. See the difference. Secular means when making a law, religious angle wouldnt be taken account in it. That's the word secular is. And also means any citizen of india can become anything despite following any religion.
Cow is a holy is a religious and cultural issue. You can argue these things, lets say for example Muslims arent allowed to follow some rituals or their religions. But that's not the case. For Indians, cow is considered holy. Simple. That's our culture, and I dont care if one is Muslim, Christian Hindu or not. Eating cow is not a mandatory religious requirement and hence banning beaf doesnt affect "essential religious practises".
How come banning beaf(its not banned anyway now) will affect the sentiment of Muslims beyond me.
Second I am ok with buffalo, oxens meat. If India respects the sensibilities of 14% Muslims to have loudspeakers for Azans(Its banned by SC, but no govt has implemented it), then its fair to expect for anybody to respect the sentiment of 70% of people considering some 10-12% of Hindus themselves are ok with eating beef. In a secular state, the state has a responsbility to respect all majority belief. if you want India to be a real secular state, you will be posting things how India is oppresing Muslims,

 

[Ultima Thule]

Do enlighten us what the prophet says about proclaiming someone non Muslim?

So you are of the opinion prophet would have agreed that a cow is God! You sorely lack both religious knowledge and logical deductive capacity.

Leaving religion aside, anyone believing a cow is a higher being is patently stupid as there is not a shred of evidence to back up such a hypothesis. It is sentient but is it capable of higher thought? I am unaware of any such indication. it is merely a beast of burden. I am certain the average cow intelligence is probably quantifiable. it is worrying however that there is a billion people whose intelligence is clearly below that of an average cow because they clearly hold a dumb animal up as a god.

All and all our prophet was insult/abuse any religion like you, our prophet always preaches with logic and common sense, you trying to abuse/insult their religions, that's why i called you Non Muslim , you narrow minded pathetic Muslim @mb444

 

[ranjeet]

Well this is going to be an awesome world to live in.

Yup, it will be awesome when laws are enforced strictly and those who break them are punished severly.

 

[Path-Finder]

Don't f#cking care.

 

[t_for_talli]

They should give everyone a choice, if Hindu's don't want to eat beef then don't.
They shouldn't impose this on others, who want to eat beef.

If Muslims have problems in burning Quran that they shouldn't do it, but they should not punish non muslims for doing so,

The way Quran is holy to Muslims, similarly some Hindu sects believe cow as god,
Some see holiness in animal while other see in a book, and point of view of both should be respected,

If you donot want other to disrespect your God, you should do the same for them

We cant drink alcohol yet we allow non muslims to drink, sell n purchase alcohol here in Pakistan. Indian zealots can learn a thing or two about religious freedom from Pakistan.

Alcohol and Holy stuff are different,

You donot burn Quran, you donot curse Prophet, but will you allow non muslims to do so,

There are some things holy to Muslims and some holy to non muslims,
Compare holy stuff with holy stuff, i.e Quran with Cow