BREAKING! Kandahar has been captured!

[VCheng]

I would trust gen tariq words

I mean if talis had put a stiff fight then yeah then argument works but currently talis are just walking with tooth picks in their mouths doing nothing and afghans are just fleeing

There is no fighting just surrenders

The question here is not what you would prefer to believe, the question here is who exactly is Gen Tariq trying to convince of his views on this matter?

 

[Ahmad Bhutta]

Oh no, where will India shoot it's next afghan jalaebi song :/

 

[Yasser76]

Imagine the smell inside the Indian Consulate in Kandahar right now, this will be one of the prime targets....

Consulate General of India Kandahar, Afghanistan

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https://twitter.com/indkandahar?lang=en

 

[Reichmarshal]

It is in Pakistans best interest to make the world believe that Pakistan has nothing to do with the taliban.
Every one in the know is working towards that objective.

 

[Saudang]

Just wondering if there were any real soldiers in ANA.. Seems like these soldiers were just for the monthly salary. Even the gangs in Mumbai or Karachi would have put up a better fight.

 

[Yasser76]

Few months ago Indians on this forum were boasting of the ANA and Indian influence. Now dreams of access to Central Asia finished. If Pakistan can get good rail and road connectivity then CPEC will be massively enshanced as Gwadar can supply and received from Uzbeks, Turkmens, and Kazaks in addition to China. Real chance to massively transform Pakistan into a hub and Gwadar to take on Dubai.

Just wondering if there were any real soldiers in ANA.. Seems like these soldiers were just for the monthly salary. Even the gangs in Mumbai or Karachi would have put up a better fight.

You tell us, you trained them....

 

[Saudang]

Few months ago Indians on this forum were boasting of the ANA and Indian influence. Now dreams of access to Central Asia finished. If Pakistan can get good rail and road connectivity then CPEC will be massively enshanced as Gwadar can supply and received from Uzbeks, Turkmens, and Kazaks in addition to China. Real chance to massively transform Pakistan into a hub and Gwadar to take on Dubai.


You tell us, you trained them....

I guess its easy to invade Afghanistan, but very difficult govern the country. So lets see how these mediaeval tabils govern the country if they can overcome the ensuing civil war..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The collapse of the ANA and the lack of will on the part of Afghans and Afghan security forces to defend the current Afghan government is a lesson in how corrupt regimes lacking any ideological underpinning are unsustainable in the face of civil war.

Pakistan has been lucky in that the Pakistani Military, unlike the Afghan military, has been a disciplined and efficient fighting force for decades and has an enormous amount of respect amongst the majority of Pakistanis and was therefore able to take on and defeat the TTP despite the corruption and mismanagement of the PPP and PMLN governments and a vicious and destabilizing terrorist campaign by the TTP and associated groups.

The question for Pakistan, given the collapse in Afghanistan, is whether Pakistan's approach is something that is sustainable long term (In my view, it is not).

Governance in Pakistan has to improve, elected governments and civilian institutions need to build public trust and respect, and the PTI appears to be the only party willing to take some of the hard decisions to even attempt to change the direction of Pakistan. For all of the PTI's flaws, continued PTI success at the ballot box and broad perceptions of an honest government that is putting Pakistan's interests ahead of personal, feudal, tribal and biradri interests, is essential for Pakistan's long term survival and success.

 

[SD 10]

Reports are coming in - mass retreat by army towards the airport

wow

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan's role has been crucial. No hiding that fact and without Pakistan's covert help and sheltering the Taliban these swift Taliban advances would not have been possible. Pakistan has recently made the Chaman-Spin Boldak crossing a no fly zone for the Afghan airforce, as an example. Yes, maybe some years down the road, Kabul would be as threatened as already now. But ultimately, it is the failure of the Afghan leadership and that should not be a surprise: Look at their history after the overthrow of King Zahir Shah in 1973/74. Americans had their prestige on line and everyone in America was rightly dreading a Vietnam II but that is where things are leading toward right now. Even if most of the American trillion dollars ended up back in America, a fraction of that should have made a more competent Afghan setup! It didn't! The only silver lining for Afghanistan is that in the last 20 years there are many more educated and well connected people to pull Afghanistan forward. I hope them the best.

You're attributing too much to Pakistan.

As I said in my previous post, what exactly are Afghan soldiers in the Afghan security forces and ordinary Afghan's who don't benefit from the corruption money doled out via NATO/US contracts, fighting for?

An old psychological concept - Maslow's hierarchy of needs - a pyramid of needs with the most basic (food, shelter) then safety and progressively higher level needs being focused on by people. Democracy, freedom, women's rights … these are all much higher level needs. A government that is corrupt and can barely fulfil the basic needs of many outside the cities is always going to struggle for support and loyalty in the face of a challenge from other groups that may be autocratic, but are perceived as being able to at least deliver basic needs.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

Just wondering if there were any real soldiers in ANA.. Seems like these soldiers were just for the monthly salary. Even the gangs in Mumbai or Karachi would have put up a better fight.

Thats why india should send indian soldiers , the real soldiers with flying powers who will bring Taliban to their knees .

 

[Imran Khan]

Just wondering if there were any real soldiers in ANA.. Seems like these soldiers were just for the monthly salary. Even the gangs in Mumbai or Karachi would have put up a better fight.

you have not read reports ?
in one family few guys were in ANA few in Taliban
thousands were taking slary without even going to job ghost soldiers
thousands others were on leave long time
the one whom were on duty complaining for even food with videos.

it was just a money sucking machine from USA and higher ranks and gov officials eat that money .
‘We haven't eaten for days’: Afghan soldiers suffer amid widespread corruption





Issued on: 18/02/2020 - 18:34Modified: 18/02/2020 - 19:44

An officer in the Afghan army based in the south of the country sent us this photo, explaining that what you see in the photo is the ration for five people.

Text by: Alijani Ershad







The Afghan army has been mired in a decades-long war against the Taliban, ever since the United States invaded the country in 2001. Corruption is also rife in the country's military. Photos sent to the FRANCE 24 Observers team shine a light on poor organisation and the difficulties that Afghan troops face, from insufficient food and pay to a lack of suitable clothing. On top of these practical problems, soldiers also face a strategic disadvantage: the Taliban has had increasing access over the last few years to better weapons.

Photo published by the news site Ava Press in 2017, on the topic of the insufficient food rations for soldiers in Ghor province.

"If we want to eat a big enough meal, we have to buy it ourselves"
Ahmad B. (not his real name) is an officer in Kandahar Province in the south of the country, a dangerous area where there is regular conflict with Taliban fighters. He requested anonymity as he's not allowed to talk to the media.

If a soldier has to fight against the Taliban every day, he needs at least enough food to feel full. It doesn't even have to be nutritious. The photo that I sent you is a ration for five people. A tiny bit of mutton, some broth and five small pieces of bread.

The food in the Afghan army has never been particularly good, but it's got worse over the last few months. If we want to eat enough food, we have to buy it ourselves. We do that from time to time, but if we buy food every day we'll end up up spending all we earn and then how do we support our families?

Photo sent by our Observer.

"Our boots have holes in them"

Another problem is our uniforms. Lots of soldiers don't have enough money to buy their own clothing. They wear boots with holes in them and shiver with cold whenever they go outside. Here the temperature often drops to below zero and the boots that we're given aren't enough to cope with such a cold climate. There's not enough fuel for the heaters so we have to collect firewood to heat up our base.

We have to buy winter clothing ourselves at the market if we don't want to freeze. The uniforms that we're meant to buy are resold on the black market. Can you believe that, that an Afghan soldier isn't provided with a proper winter uniform? That uniform exists, but he has to find it himself in the streets of Kabul or Kandahar.

We are not even in the worst situation. We're in a main military base, but soldiers posted in rural zones, in checkpoints or garrisons for example, live in far worse conditions. Sometimes they're completely cut off from the main base for weeks and only receive the strict minimum in terms of supplies.

Soldiers posted in hte Ghurmach region. Photo published on the news site Afghan Paper.

Afghan politicians and media have highlighted this situation in recent years.

General Ziaeddin Sagheb, an army commander in Ghor Province in central Afghanistan spoke about this in October 2017, saying, "In the last three months, our food rations have been drastically reduced and eventually cut altogether. Soldiers have to bring their own food and those who have nothing have to go door-to-door and beg to have some bread to eat." At the time, the Afghan army was fighting the Taliban in two zones in the region.

Soldiers in Ghurmach in the northern province of Faryab had spoken to a local media about the same topic just a month before, saying, "We haven't eaten for days. We only have four sacks of flour for 400 soldiers. No one cares about us. We can't fight the Taliban on only bread and water."

"Contractors bribe army commanders in order to get more contracts"
Masoud D. [not his real name] is an Afghan journalist that specialises in military and security matters. He has interviewed many soldiers over his career, and also asked us to remain anonymous.

The Afghan army usually outsources the supply of food to local contractors. These contractors get the contracts through contacts. Usually, they bribe or blackmail army commanders in order to get the contract.

In lots of cases, the quantity and quality of the food is terrible. Some soldiers don't get anything. When soldiers or their commanders try to speak up about the problem, nothing happens. Politicians are busy elsewhere, and because of the corruption between the contractors and the army commanders, nothing happens.

In May 2018, the police in Badghis province in the north-west of Afghanistan confirmed that a contractor that provided food to Afghan security forces was serving up dog meat.

Endemic corruption in the army

Mohammad Naeim Ghayour, the former chief of military intelligence in the west of Afghanistan, attested to the widespread corruption in the Afghan army in an interview in 2011.

Corruption is huge in the army, and that's because there's a lot of money at stake," he explained. "I witnessed a meeting between an army garrison delegate and a contractor who was going to provide the food rations. They agreed to use bad quality ingredients so that they could turn a profit."

According to official statistics provided by a US Congress report, the Afghan army lost up to 10% of its soldiers in 2018 alone because of casualties and desertion.

According to the same report, there are thousands of 'ghost soldiers' in the ranks of the Afghan army: soldiers who exist only on paper, allowing commanders to inflate their budgets and fill their pockets. An Afghan army soldier earns only 200 dollars a month.

Article by Ershad Alijani.

 

[HAIDER]

i heard this many times before too . it seems country as a whole is gifted to terrorists man

They always surrender to the powerful .. historically .... Soviets kicked out due to Charlie Wilson personal interest otherwise , Russian was ruling very conveniently without any problem ... a human nature, it bow down when fail to confront the powerful

 

[Imran Khan]

They always surrender to the powerful .. historically .... Soviets kicked out due to Charlie Wilson personal interest otherwise , Russian was ruling very conveniently without any problem

some sane person said afghans can not be defeated in history . they just change the winning side during war

 

[HAIDER]

some sane person said afghans can not be defeated in history . they just change the winning side during war

lolzzzzzzz ... exactly ... I saw the interview of US military officer, he said you can buy anything and anyone in Afghanistan in few dollars... just pay the " negotiable price with a gun in hand "