Breaking: Israel already breaks 72 hour humanitarian ceasefire

[al-Hasani]

Glad you didn't add Mosamania, he is just weird and different, he worship demons at the same time playing with demon video games.

@Mosamania is a great person and I wish him all the best in his errands as a doctor. Whether he is a Muslim or not is not important here. What have I to do with this? Likewise there are many non-Muslims that are ought to be more respected than people calling themselves Muslims by their actions obviously.

In any case as Muslims we hope for everyone to become Muslim but if not then we or at least I can still have respect for non-Muslims. Actions count more in my opinion than titles/words etc.

Many people call themselves Muslims yet have never really prayed…. Dozens of examples.

Besides we don't know people here anyway.

 

[flamer84]

Like the progress that was made all those years before Hamas emerged? The same Hamas whose leader was arrested by the Israelis when he was initially raising arms but then released because he was going to target Fatah?

Why not ? Put yourself in Israel's shoes,they've been a target for 66 years,they're going to play all the cards they got.

The situation now is the following: Some 60 dead Israeli soldiers and over 95% Israelis supporting continuation of hostilities.Tell me,what Israeli politician has the balls to halt the offensine now ? It will be suicide now.Hamas has only managed to make the Israelis enraged and now their rage will fall on Gaza,hard,it will fall on innocents,hundreds,thousands of them.This situation has a life of its own,Israel won't walk away without results.......For Palestine to endure,Hamas must go,if not the Israeli hammer will hit hard like it does now.

 

[VelocuR]

@Mosamania is a great person and I wish him all the best in his errands as a doctor. Whether he is a Muslim or not is not important here. What have I to do with this? Likewise there are many non-Muslims that are ought to be more respected than people calling themselves Muslims.

Besides we don't know people here anyway.

My point is he seems very allergic toward Muslims people, Arabs, Palestine, Shia and more friendly toward Israel, yes we don't know people but we can see his posts obviously. He even dislike his Creator, he loves just Demons things. I am not talking about religions things but his attitudes and behaviors as Saudi/US citizen.

I prefer to read @al-Hasani's interesting posts than others.

 

[Serpentine]

Even Hamas officially admitted they broke cease fire on 15 Jun.

Regarding today truce. Until the hijacking info was released it was unclear who broke the cease fire, but now its 100% clear it was Hamas.

Thats very poor excuse they invented. Because even Palestinians admit that Israel opened fire only "hours after" the cease fire (after 10 AM more precisely).

Israel kills 4 despite ceasefire, after 16 killed in hours before | Maan News Agency

Its really pathetic that u give lipservice to Qatari terrorists which killed tens of thousands of ur bros in Syria. Keep on.

Israel has violated previous ceasefires so far, you don't even have the right to talk about who actually has violated it this time. Israel has proved that it doesn't know any limit in randomly bombing civilian areas, schools, hospitals, children playing in beach, civilians and every thing living inside Gaza, they are all literally targets of Israel.

About me supporting Hamas, this is not the case.I don't support Hamas specifically, I am supporting every single Palestinian who is fighting against Israeli aggression and occupation and indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas.

You are calling Hamas terrorists, while they have killed 20 times more IDF rather than civilians, while Israel has killed 10 times more civilians, including 200 children compared to number of militants, knowing that this rogue state has been armed with most advanced weapons by western countries, thanks to charity money it receives through various arm deals. So we can conclude that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians with precise weapons, and that's what makes IDF far greater terrorists compared to Hamas. Don't lecture us with this terrorism thing. Terrorism is the most abused word by western countries and Israel, targeting everyone they like,calling them terrorists. But when their interests are involved, they cooperate, arm and finance the same 'terrorists'.

 

[al-Hasani]

My point is he seems very allergic toward Muslims people, Arabs, Palestine, Shia and more friendly toward Israel, yes we don't know people but we can see his posts obviously. He even dislike his Creator, he loves just Demons things. I am not talking about religions things but his attitudes and behaviors as Saudi/US citizen.

I prefer to read @al-Hasani's interesting posts than others.

Mate, he is obviously joking most of the time. Who am I to judge people that I do not know personally? Outside of the sometimes pointless discussions that we have and name calling then I obviously cannot pass judgement on ANY user here. Even those that I respect or like as I do not know them.

In fact some of the users that I find annoying/idiotic or have discussion with often might be better persons in "real life" than those that I respect/like here on PDF. Again how can I know?

Do you understand my points?

Anyway I am afraid that we are off-topic. I just hope that I got my points across and if not then life's goes on. People are free to ignore facts if that is what they want to do but they will not change because of that which is a good thing.

What is certain is that most Muslims are united in this which is a good thing.

Also any sane person can see who is doing war crimes and who is just defending themselves.

I can tell you that most non-Muslims I know, have talked to etc. are against Israel's actions and occupation of Palestine. Yet this does not matter as a tiny and powerful elite is deciding and for them Israel is a better partner/more important than Palestine so the situation will not change much.

The power elite need to change and see Palestine as a bigger asset. Until that happens I am afraid that nothing will change. This is why education is crucial for the Muslim region.

Be honest and ask yourself why an ordinary American (neither Palestinian or Jewish) should take a side other than the one that benefits him the most?

It's like asking a Muslim Afghan or Muslim Omani whether he prefers Surinam or Guyana if they were at war and if they picked for instance Guyana (because it suited their interests best) no Muslim would object.
We need to look at this conflict from more than 1 dimension (Muslim one) otherwise I am afraid that it will be difficult to change the tides as the Muslim dimension is not something that non-Muslims understand.

We need to highlight the grave injustices that are being done against the Palestinian people without necessarily the religious angle as you know that many non-Muslims would automatically think about terrorism and what not. Unfortunately this is the reality.

Also I agree that we need to do MUCH more for Palestine and more for Muslims all across the world. It is a shame what we have turned into. We need to pray for better times, change and ask for forgiveness. This is unacceptable.

Anyway I have to go. Promised to help my neighbor with a broken pipe, LOL. I promised her to help when I returned so can't escape it.

Take care.

 

[500]

Israel has violated previous ceasefires so far, you don't even have the right to talk about who actually has violated it this time.

1) Truce of 15 july was officially rejected by Hamas. Here BBC reports that Israel held fire for 6 hours, while Hamas never stopped firing rockets:

2) Here another example from 27 july: :

A 27-year-old Indian-origin soldier in the Israeli army died overnight after being hit by a mortar shell near the Gaza Strip border, while Israel was holding fire under a humanitarian ceasefire at the request of the United Nations.

Sergeant First Class Barak Refael Degorker: Indian-origin soldier killed by Hamas fire 'was a cheerful man always keen to help anybody' | Mail Online

3) And now we have today. When Hamas hijacked soldier at 9:30 AM, 1.5 hours after the truce.

So where from u got the idea that Israel breaks cease fire all the time? Because Qatari terrorists say so?

About me supporting Hamas, this is not the case.I don't support Hamas specifically, I am supporting every single Palestinian who is fighting against Israeli aggression and occupation and indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas.

If u care about the Palestinians u should call to get rid them of Qatari terrorists who bring death and destruction whenever they step.

You are calling Hamas terrorists, while they have killed 20 times more IDF rather than civilians, while Israel has killed 10 times more civilians, including 200 children compared to number of militants, knowing that this rogue state has been armed with most advanced weapons by western countries, thanks to charity money it receives through various arm deals.

In WW2 US killed thousands times more German children than vice versa. Does that mean that Nazis were the good guys?

I am not talking about the number of casualties done by Iran and Syria.

 

[VelocuR]

Mate, he is obviously joking most of the time. Who am I to judge people that I do not know personally? Outside of the sometimes pointless discussions that we have and name calling then I obviously cannot pass judgement on ANY user here. Even those that I respect or like as I do not know them.

In fact some of the users that I find annoying/idiotic or have discussion with often might be better persons in "real life" than those that I respect/like here on PDF. Again how can I know?

Do you understand my points?

Anyway I am afraid that we are off-topic. I just hope that I got my points across and if not then life's goes on. People are free to ignore facts if that is what they want to do but they will not change because of that which is a good thing.

What is certain is that most Muslims are united in this which is a good thing.

Also any sane person can see who is doing war crimes and who is just defending themselves.

I can tell you that most non-Muslims I know, have talked to etc. are against Israel's actions and occupation of Palestine. Yet this does not matter as a tiny and powerful elite is deciding and for them Israel is a better partner/more important than Palestine so the situation will not change much.

The power elite need to change and see Palestine as a bigger asset. Until that happens I am afraid that nothing will change. This is why education is crucial for the Muslim region.

Be honest and ask yourself why an ordinary American (neither Palestinian or Jewish) should take a side other than the one that benefits him the most?

It's like asking a Muslim Afghan or Muslim Omani whether he prefers Surinam or Guyana if they were at war and if they picked for instance Guyana (because it suited their interests best) no Muslim would object.
We need to look at this conflict from more than 1 dimension (Muslim one) otherwise I am afraid that it will be difficult to change the tides as the Muslim dimension is not something that non-Muslims understand.

We need to highlight the grave injustices that are being done against the Palestinian people without necessarily the religious angle as you know that many non-Muslims would automatically think about terrorism and what not. Unfortunately this is the reality.

Also I agree that we need to do MUCH more for Palestine and more for Muslims all across the world. It is a shame what we have turned into. We need to pray for better times, change and ask for forgiveness. This is unacceptable.

Anyway I have to go. Promised to help my neighbor with a broken pipe, LOL. I promised her to help when I returned so can't escape it.

Take care.

Thank you bro, we appreciate long writing which is why I am interested to read your long long explanations and very reasonable, lol.

 

[general_yermolov_stalin]

Lol. The chorny zhids and the chorny musulmanin dermo fighting each other. You churkhas are great entertainment.

 

[al-Hasani]

Thank you bro, we appreciate long writing which is why I am interested to read your long long explanations and very reasonable, lol.

I am sorry if I sometimes write a bit too much. It's just that when I first start I have difficulties with stopping. It's the same in real life. My future children will surely enjoy my stories and if not at least they will fall asleep due to it being boring for them. I think that this is called a win-win situation nowadays.

 

[Desert Fox]

Why not ? Put yourself in Israel's shoes,they've been a target for 66 years,they're going to play all the cards they got.

The situation now is the following: Some 60 dead Israeli soldiers and over 95% Israelis supporting continuation of hostilities.Tell me,what Israeli politician has the balls to halt the offensine now ? It will be suicide now.Hamas has only managed to make the Israelis enraged and now their rage will fall on Gaza,hard,it will fall on innocents,hundreds,thousands of them.This situation has a life of its own,Israel won't walk away without results.......For Palestine to endure,Hamas must go,if not the Israeli hammer will hit hard like it does now.

Hamas will go only to be replaced by another "extremist" organization. Hamas is just an expression of the Palestinian people's suffering after having faced persecution and extreme violence at the hands of their Zionist occupiers. The children who are growing up seeing their family members, neighbors, and friends being blown to smithereens or kicked out of their homes will become the new Hamas or whatever organization will replace it.

As long as the Zionist continue their 66 year old occupation of land that does not belong to them, there will always be resentment and resistance from the indigenous population in one form or another.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Prophet Muhammad (saws) himself was a proud Arab.

And yet everything we know about him totally goes against your assertion. Care to remember his (S.A.W) words at the end of Haj, Khutbatul Wid'a?

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves."

You are expressing such views only to prop your feelings of ethnic superiority, completely forgetting that Prophet (S.A.W) strictly forbade 3sbiyah.

Use your Dilmun story or your number of Arab empires story or whatever else, but leave our Prophet (S.A.W) out of your rhetoric.

His memory is too sacred to be used as a racial prop. He (S.A.W) is Ra7matul-lil-Alameen, not an excuse for going against his own and Allah's teachings. He is Khatim-al-Nabiyyeen (S.A.W), not a source for misplaced pride. Using the word proud for Prophet (S.A.W) is not only wrong, but blasphemous. Pride is cardinal sin in Islam. Satan was proud, Pharoah, Nimrod, Abu-Lahab, etc... were proud. Our beloved Prophet (S.A.W) adopted humility to teach us humility. How sad that likes of you see it fit to not only use him for their pride but actually ascribe pride to him. Astaghfarullah.

 

[flamer84]

Hamas will go only to be replaced by another "extremist" organization. Hamas is just an expression of the Palestinian people suffering after having faced persecution and extreme violence at the hands of their Zionist occupiers. The children who are growing up seeing their family members, neighbors, and friends being blown to smithereens or kicked out of their homes will become the new Hamas or whatever organization will replace it.

As long as the Zionist continue their 66 year old occupation of land that does not belong to them, there will always be resentment and resistance from the indigenous population in one form or another.

Israel will never negociate with the likes of Hamas and their presence will always be an excuse for future intervention in Gaza.You're basically saying that this will go on and on.That's just a tragedy really.

 

[Desert Fox]

Exactly. Who are the Jews to comment when Muslims massacre thousands of fellow Muslims, no? They must answer for the few civilians killed in crossfire in a territorial dispute, but should not question thousands being butchered and massacred based on their belief of who is the most apt successor to Prophet Mohammed!!

I can't seem to understand why indians are such ardent defenders of the Zionist State of Israel when Israelis erected the Statue of Winston Churchill for deliberately starving to death 4 million indians during the Bengal Famine:

Churchill's Statue Unveiled in Israel in Celebration of the Hero​

“Indians are the beastliest people in the world next to the Germans"- Winston Churchill

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Bengal Famine, what Churchill did to Indians:

Churchill's Shameful Role in the Bengal Famine- Time Magazine

Bengal Famine Of 1943 - A Man-Made Holocaust

How Churchill Deliberately Starved To Death Four Million People During The Bengal Famine


The Bengal Famine of 1943, how 4 million Indians perished


Israelis Praise Churchill And Celebrate The Mass Murderer of 4 Million Indians:


Winston Churchill's Statue Erected in Israel in Celebration of The Hero- Haaretz

Winston Churchill sculpture unveiled in Israel- The Guardian

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“Indians are the beastliest people in the world next to the Germans"- Winston Churchill

Israel will never negociate with the likes of Hamas and their presence will always be an excuse for future intervention in Gaza.You're basically saying that this will go on and on.That's just a tragedy really.

Yes, it is only natural that the Palestinians resent foreign occupation of their ancestral land. Unless one side completely wipes out the other (a process which israel has been continuing against the Palestinians since 1948) there will be no solution if the world continues to allow the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

It is the Zionist occupation that breeds organizations like Hamas. If you want Hamas to die as a movement then only getting rid of the Zionist occupiers will ensure such a demise of Hamas or any "extremist" organization in the ME for that matter.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Chak Bamu

Please do not twist my words. Have you even bothered to read my actual post (s) in this thread or are you just cherry-picking for the sake of it to start a discussion?

Prophet Muhammad (saws) nor Islam prohibits you from being attached to your people, language, culture, history, lands etc. Prophet Muhammad (saws) himself was a proud Arab. There is nothing wrong with cherishing your culture, history, people, lands etc. as long as there is no racism involved. Islam does not forbid you to be attached to all that (in fact the Qur'an clearly states that there is a reason to why we are all not speaking the same language etc.).

Yet there is no contradiction with you identifying yourself as an Muslim and Arab or an Muslim and Mongol for instance.

What I wrote in this thread are mere facts and have nothing to do with nationalism. You see when I see users here badmouthing the 450 million Arabs (who have done more for Palestine than any other people in recent time and before Israel even existed) then I obviously can't help myself from showing those people their giant hypocrisy. There is nothing wrong with this.

It's neither nationalism if you Pakistanis say that you have done more for Kashmir than any other Muslim people which is a correct. I don't take offense in that at all nor should any sane person do that.

Lastly some people really need to learn the difference between SOME Arab rulers and then ordinary Arabs. I repeat - none of us here are decision makers.

Besides some people should also be more realistic. Israel would not have existed if it was not a nuclear power or had the support of the entire Western world (most powerful part of the world).

Yet people here are expecting miracles from neighboring Arab countries who themselves have A LOT of problems and are engaged in much bloodier conflicts and wars.

Some people are basically out of touch with reality and are just interested in badmouthing Arabs as they will have a similarly retarded cheerleading squad that will support them in doing that.

I don't know how I can say this more clearly.

Also I find this discussion hilarious as this forum is called PAKISTANI Defence Forum. A nationalistic forum for mainly Pakistanis in other words.

@Arabian Legend @JUBA @Bubblegum Crisis @Yzd Khalifa @Full Moon @Hadbani @Tihamah @BLACKEAGLE @Awadd @Altamimi @Rakan.SA @Halimi @ebray @Frogman @Mahmoud_EGY @agentny17 @Dino R. etc.

Personally I also consider the disrespect towards ORDINARY Egyptians here highly disrespectful as any sane person that is just A BIT familiar with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will know about the HUGE sacrifices of Egypt as a country and its people. Another reason to get somewhat angry.

I don't think that I ask for much.

PS:

You are entitled to forget about your ancestry, country, culture, language, history etc. but don't tell others to do so while using Islam as an excuse as this will only work for ignorants here. Not people who are able to read the Noble Qur'an AND understand its content.

Thanks.

Either you simply do not understand what is written (English) or you are just putting words in my mouth. Which one is it?

Whatever it is then kindly stop doing that. Not a moderator worthy.

Yes, Prophet Muhammad (saws) was proud of his lineage and even emphasized it. He did not stop associating himself with Arab language, Arabs etc. In short the point is that you can be an Arab and a Muslim at the same time. It is not needed for you to solely adopt a Muslim identity (whatever that is) as that user claimed. Not even Prophet Muhammad (saws) himself did that.

Basically what you are trying to tell me is that Prophet Muhammad (saws) was not satisfied with what he was just like you are satisfied with being a Pakistani.

Learn the difference between healthy pride and pride that borders racism or superiority. None what I have written does that (unless you consider historical facts that) and certainly not Prophet Muhammad (saws)

He is basically telling me to stop associating myself with my lands, culture, language, people, country, customs, history etc. as this is "nationalism" yet he is a member on a nationalistic Pakistani forum. Hilarious.

Everyone does that and Islam is by no means against that either.

But keep twisting my words and take it out of context without looking at the post I was replying to which was/is nonsense or the fact that my post was self-explanatory.

Next it will become a crime to mention that Prophet Muhammad (saws) was an Arab or Meccan as some users such as you might blame us for claiming "superiority" or whatever nonsense.

 

[RFS_Br]

Local witnesses confirm Israel continued attacking minutes after ceasefire went into force, whereas Hamas only reacted two afters afterwards.

https://twitter.com/x/status/495072332335960066