Breaking: Google pulls Huawei’s Android license, forcing it to use open source version

[gambit]

It is a MAYBE because it has never happen yet for Huawei.

That is not the point.

The point of the law is to position ALL Chinese citizens as legal intelligence assets for the Party. You can try to make comparisons with the US all you want, but as one source already made clear, the National Intelligence Law is far more expansive. YOU are now a sleeper agent for the Party. Congrats.

 

[That Guy]

@waz @Dubious @Horus people are starting to get mean spirited. Is it possible for you guy to get involved?

 

[Rasengan]

At some point, China needs to target US companies.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Here is another Muslim ummah Hallucinator.

The Chinese have started ramping up their buying California Real estate again. Only anecdotal evidence!!!

Don’t quote me Indian.

Well but NSA can still spy foreign nationals (and Presidents, friendly ones) with the data collected by American companies. Not sure if there is any law authorizing that. But US is doing that cos they can do that. Spying is all fine but using US companies to do that? Can we be sure it has been stopped now? A reason why many countries including Brazil. India is now asking companies to save citizen's data locally.

That China is an surveillance state doesnt need any mentioning. These chinese bots here cannot speak a word against Chinese government or else agents will be swooping down their homes. So you (us) need to take mercy on them. Poor souls though.

Anything to defend their master.

Funny thing is no one asks or wants the opinion of Indians here.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

Ouch!!!

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18631558/google-huawei-android-suspension

Great news, well done Google.

 

[gambit]

At some point, China needs to target US companies.

The important thing is this...

All companies doing bidness in China must allow goobermint access to everything they have, from trade secrets to finance to manpower. Everything. To retaliate to hurt the US, the Chinese goobermint can begin to seize hard assets of American companies, such as buildings, machinery, computers, all the way down to the furniture. Forget talks of 'dumping US bonds' and such nonsense.

So, it should be noted that Google probably didn't want to do this, but had to comply with the US government blacklisting Huawei.

Google probably didn't want to do this, as Huawei is huge in China, and growing rapidly in the rest of the world. Having Huawei use android software would have net Google billions of dollars, so this probably hurt Google's long term profits

The Chinese members have no right to complain. They have vigorously defended Chinese laws that created forced partnerships as condition for doing business in China. This is now US law that Alphabet have to obey.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

That is not the point.

The point of the law is to position ALL Chinese citizens as legal intelligence assets for the Party. You can try to make comparisons with the US all you want, but as one source already made clear, the National Intelligence Law is far more expansive. YOU are now a sleeper agent for the Party. Congrats.

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https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-on...-und-den-Play-Store-fuer-Huawei/forum-426222/


It's becoming a PR desaster for the US. Many IT experts are calling anything coming from the US poison and all are rooting for Huawei.

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https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-on...awei/Ein-schwarzer-Tag/posting-34529999/show/

This IT guy says:

A black day

... for US technologie companies since now the US hardware suppliers (have to?) are also jumping onto the boykott wagon.

And a good day for the rest of the world.

Every country and every enterprise with a bit of brain will think thrice whether to buy strategically important components from the US in the future.

The US will experience in short time that it's better to go on without them.

We are not living in the 50s of the last millenia anymore.

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Hahaha, and the idiots with US flags are jumping up and down with joy.

 

[52051]

No one gives a damn about Android. Everyone wants Gmail, Google Drive, Google Maps, Google Calendar, Youtube on their phone

Everything you mentioned has a Chinese equalivent that offer better service, its about time for China to offer that to the rest world, just like ticktock

Btw, EU has already banned GSM, so it is a non-issue to Huawei, since GSM is only relevant in the US market and the US tried their best to prevent Huawei to enter since they know once Huawei come to the US, it is over for Apple and Samsung's crap phones.

 

[PeaceGen]

The American government also requires backdoor access and monitoring of American telecom under the Patriot Act .

To accuse China exclusively is like the pot calling the kettle black...


I agree...

it is something else entirely, something much more dangerous, if countries start tapping eachother's citizens for political gains.

and that's exactly what China is suspected of doing, and not just over here in political circles. among telecom employees as well.

whatever China plans to start selling to outside their own country, had better come with full sources and specs, so we can monitor if that equipment has backdoors. i'd even let the OS be installed in the target country of delivery, just to be sure.

i'm not kidding about any of this.

there's all sorts of nastiness that can be plotted and executed once you have detailed personal profiles on a lot of citizens, including journalists and other high-priority targets. not all civilian organisations here have the staff to do adequately cyber-defend such organisations.

knowing this is one of the many hidden variables at play between China and the West at the moment,
i must conclude that it is better to keep publicly distrusting China, and letting them prove their tech is no danger to our societies in the short or long run.

 

[gambit]

Android, or software, is not the only thing affected by the law...

The asterisks indicates US companies who must comply with the law.

Take something mechanically simple like a connector, for example. In this case, it would be Amphenol as shown above.

https://www.amphenol.com/

Huawei must qualify a new supplier to replace Amphenol. The new supplier must send PRODUCTION -- not engineering -- samples to Huawei. The initial sample will be small quantity, something like 100 to give a reasonable statistical base weight.

Then Huawei must take ENGINEERING samples from its product line. These items must be marked as non-shippable, meaning they cannot go to any customer. Huawei must install the new connectors and test the cell phones or computers with the new connectors under normal and non-standard usage conditions. The data from these experimental products must be analyzed for any possible defects from the new connectors. Assuming the 100 experimental products passed testing, now Huawei must enlarge the experiment pool to something like a few thousand cell phones and a few thousand computers. Then the review process start all over with the larger sample.

Yah...It is easy for some to cheer for Huawei while using non-Huawei products to cheer for Huawei.

The qualification process of the new connector supplier will take at least 2-3 months but more like one yr. In the meantime, Huawei reputation and sales will suffer.

 

[Crusher]

RIP Huawei Smartphone business, A trade deal between US and China now looks more nearer than before after this ban, if China wants to save Huawei Smartphone business. However at the same time this also shows that relying on the software giants of USA like Google, Microsoft and Oracle is not without a risk.

 

[bafxet]

This is a big move, a very big move by US.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Google is doomed

RIP Huawei Smartphone business, A trade deal between US and China now looks more nearer than before after this ban, if China wants to save Huawei Smartphone business. However at the same time this also shows that relying on the software giants of USA like Google, Microsoft and Oracle is not without a risk.

This move will only cut a lot of revenues for those US giants. Chinese people are already using using alternatives of Google, whatsapp in the form of wechat, baidu etc. Remember that majority of Huawei users come from second and third world countries who cannot buy more expensive brands and its only a matter of good translation that above mentioned chinese apps will replace Google, whatsapp, fb etc

 

[Crusher]

Remember that majority of Huawei users come from second and third world countries who cannot buy more expensive brands and its only a matter of good translation that above mentioned chinese apps will replace Google, whatsapp, fb etc

Easier said than done, app loyality is a thing, those who use android/whatsapp/facebook/skype in 2nd or 3rd world countries wouldn't flock to Huawei for their replacements, years old app/brand loyalty is a thing for many customers.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Easier said than done, app loyality is a thing, those who use android/whatsapp/facebook/skype in 2nd or 3rd world countries wouldn't flock to Huawei for their replacements, years old app/brand loyalty is a thing for many customers.

Agree. This is indeed a huge blow to huawei no matter how we look at it. Trump has shown that he doesn’t bluff when it comes to some critical decisions he must take unlike career politicians and diplomats, Trump is neither and so he is more straightforward in his dealings. So the sooner we understand that the better for the world.