Breaking : Blast at Lal Shehbaz shrine

[HAIDER]

Well coordinated attacks ... military percision...how the hell they managrd to sneak in so many....RIP innocent souls

Traitors among us.....you buy there loyalty for fist full of money or plot in heaven with some ladies. ..

From one tragedy to another, we hear condemnation by both civilian government and establishment. Where's the action? Mainly, asked to our lord Nawaz Sharif. Then what? A silence. A damn care silence.
What the hell our agencies doing? (Ps: there's not only ISI before you scold me, mind it).
Security lapses? We don't even have the abilities to overcome with these lapses? 5-7 attacks in a week?
All those who are responsible get away with giving a simple condemnation statement.
Now wait for the next attack. Nothing is going to be done in time between it.

They came all the way from Afghanistan ...Imagine how many handlers and planners were involved. ...

 

[I.R.A]

I support more checking for women by women at important public places no more exceptions for women

The checkpoints in place are useless be it markets or roads or places of worships. All these checkpoints are potential threat to life of people guarding these checkpoints and general public.

If I was the incharge I would have every public place converted into gated place with separate zones and chambers of entrance for males and females, that area would have scanners, walk through installed and will have bomb proof walls. Those chambers would have bomb proof cabins for the staff on duty, they will check the entrants from a safe distance and clear them. If any person in mood to go kaboom can go kaboom there or be killed by a sniper well before he/she is able to reach the target.

 

[Nilgiri]

The checkpoints in place are useless be it markets or roads or places of worships. All these checkpoints are potential threat to life of people guarding these checkpoints and general public.

If I was the incharge I would have every public place converted into gated place with separate zones and chambers of entrance for males and females, that area would have scanners, walk through installed and will have bomb proof walls. Those chambers would have bomb proof cabins for the staff on duty, they will check the entrants from a safe distance and clear them. If any person in mood to go kaboom can go kaboom there or be killed by a sniper well before he/she is able to reach the target.

Problem is the funding for this (while I agree this is ideal system to strive for) esp for every public place...and if the money is better spent on SIGINT and HUMINT instead etc.

There are no easy answers here unfortunately....neither do any of us have the whole picture as seen by Pakistan intelligence and domestic security services to judge where the opportunity cost thresholds are.

 

[I.R.A]

Problem is the funding for this (while I agree this is ideal system to strive for) esp for every public place...and if the money is better spent on SIGINT and HUMINT instead etc.

Funding chupa chup (lollipop) is only for general public to misguide. No human life is cheap and funds can always be arranged if honest will is there.

Intelligence is handy only to stop the threat in its buds, but it becomes redundant and useless when a potential attacker is on move and has entered the target zone, its the defense that has to minimize or prevent the damage and loss. So need for a robust defense and defensive measures is there. A couple of failed attacks would also help demoralize the attackers and their planners.

There are no easy answers here unfortunately....neither do any of us have the whole picture as seen by Pakistan intelligence and domestic security services to judge where the opportunity cost thresholds are.

I once had a rat problem, the bastard was a clever one, first I opted for a non harmful trap I didn't want to hurt and kill it, that failed............. he outsmarted me, then I went for a trap with teeth, again that bastard outsmarted me, so finally I had to go for the rat killers ............. the previous two were expensive and useless but the last one was cheap and effective. Now I don't have to worry that bastard ate one of it and went breathing in some open air out of my house, most probably dead not to bother anyone else again.

 

[Zibago]

From one tragedy to another, we hear condemnation by both civilian government and establishment. Where's the action? Mainly, asked to our lord Nawaz Sharif. Then what? A silence. A damn care silence.
What the hell our agencies doing? (Ps: there's not only ISI before you scold me, mind it).
Security lapses? We don't even have the abilities to overcome with these lapses? 5-7 attacks in a week?
All those who are responsible get away with giving a simple condemnation statement.
Now wait for the next attack. Nothing is going to be done in time between it.

Ttp is the symptom of extremist jihadist we need to target their ideology we dont have a counter narrative we cant just call it foreign conspiracy and forget it the cause is tolerated in our society to rid our lands permanently pf this menace we need to cure real problem of extremism in our society it doesnot take much for a pro qadri or shia hater to morph into a suicide bomber

 

[Hell hound]

I once had a rat problem, the bastard was a clever one, first I opted for a non harmful trap I didn't want to hurt and kill it, that failed............. he outsmarted me, then I went for a trap with teeth, again that bastard outsmarted me, so finally I had to go for the rat killers ............. the previous two were expensive and useless but the last one was cheap and effective. Now I don't have to worry that bastard ate one of it and went breathing in some open air out of my house, most probably dead not to bother anyone else again.

issue is our government isn't letting us buy the rat poison because it uses the same rats to harass people in elections

 

[noksss]

Ttp is the symptom of extremist jihadist we need to target their ideology we dont have a counter narrative we cant just call it foreign conspiracy and forget it the cause is tolerated in our society to rid our lands permanently pf this menace we need to cure real problem of extremism in our society it doesnot take much for a pro qadri or shia hater to morph into a suicide bomber

ISIS is claiming responsibility not TTP I am not sure its breakaway faction of TTP which has joined ISIS but at the end both scums has to be eradicated
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...stan-shrine-kills-75/articleshow/57198881.cms

 

[I.R.A]

issue is our government isn't letting us buy the rat poison because it uses the same rats to harass people in elections

Then outsource some cats. Call them your pets but train them well to sniff out rats from holes and kill them.

 

[Hell hound]

Then outsource some cats. Call them your pets but train them well to sniff out rats from holes and kill them.

is that even possible.what if these cat bite us in the asss in future

 

[I.R.A]

is that even possible.what if these cat bite us in the asss in future

I preferred cats for a reason otherwise snakes too like eating rats.

 

[Hell hound]

I preferred cats for a reason otherwise snakes too like eating rats.

 

[Zibago]

ISIS is claiming responsibility not TTP I am not sure its breakaway faction of TTP which has joined ISIS but at the end both scums has to be eradicated
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...stan-shrine-kills-75/articleshow/57198881.cms

Isis in afghanistab is purana talibani manjan in chamkili packing

 

[Hassan Guy]

have you both gone crazy we are not going to give an inch of our land to these terrorist scum.i am afraid and angry as you are but we are not going to give up our land no matter the cost.

WTF Hell Nah, that other guy is retarded.

Im just saying we should had gone communist.

 

[Bratva]

ISIS is claiming responsibility not TTP I am not sure its breakaway faction of TTP which has joined ISIS but at the end both scums has to be eradicated
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...stan-shrine-kills-75/articleshow/57198881.cms

What is the history of ISIS in afghanistan care to point out ?

AS per Jamat ul Ahrar own training and attack video on Mohmand agency army camp on Jan 27, Attackers lived and trained in Kunar and Nanghar.

https://defence.pk/threads/ttp-trai...rs-lived-trained-in-nanghar-and-kunar.478535/

There are indians here who were quick to point out how our own proxies truned against us and brought Masood azhar, HS in the debate and was advising us not to point fingers at afghanistan . I mean when you dont have all facts at hand, it is easier to sit behind keyboard and preach your biased PoV

 

[The Eagle]

@Zibago

Try to catch the drift here. That mentioning of Burqa and woman being used for attack on Shrine. I have been there twice (stopped there for a while during travel) and I have seen it all that woman use to visit shrine in Burqa/veil. There is no proper arrangement of security at all and all the funding, support by the people etc goes nowhere to see. Thursday was a deliberate and planned choice due to presence of maximum people at shrine. Woman suicide attackers possibility is close to none here and these findings carries less weight until & unless ISIS/attackers claim it to be a female terrorist. The security measures by the administrators of such places, are must and need of time that mostly they pay less attention hence, an easy target risking many lives like this. IMO, as per our culture and customs as well, Burqa is not the problem that many women adopts it but the lake of security arrangements by administrators of such places.