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Border Villages Rise Up Against Taliban

Baitullah Mehsud and his close aides are Proxy Taliban who are luring the common people specially youth for fighting against the Pakistani State and Pakistan Army.

The Real Taliban who are against US invasion have cut off their links with Baitullah Mehsud since long.

Mullah Umer has said they have no connection with nor any support for Baitullah group who is working for CIA.

He said Taliban are fighting against US/NATO Invasion and they have nothing to do with fight in Pakistan nor they had ever advocated that.


Exactly. But ever noticed that the fact "Mullah Umer has said they have no connection with nor any support for Baitullah" was never vigirously circulated in the pakistan media. Tv channels like Geo that normally make a big issue out of little things never illustrated this fact enough. Thats why theres alot of ignorance in Pakistan and alot of Pakistani's cant distinguish between Taliban of Mullah Umer and the Proxy Taliban of Beitullah Meshud
 
The point everybody is missing is that this a guerrilla war. There is no start; there is no end. There are no victories either, at least not for the "forces."

I just had one question... how many troops does Pakistan have on the ground in these trouble-regions?
 
The point everybody is missing is that this a guerrilla war. There is no start; there is no end. There are no victories either, at least not for the "forces."

I just had one question... how many troops does Pakistan have on the ground in these trouble-regions?

That is incorrect - it would have no end were it a 'popular movement', and it is not. In that context having the local villagers step up and form their defense committees is important to deny the militants space to operate, as I said, since the military cannot be everywhere.
 
How can border villages rise if they are all displaced in refugee camps?

*sigh* How about you read the original article and figure out which areas are being referred to.

Most of these villages are in Swat - the majority of the refugees are from areas of Bajaur and Mohmand, and the entire territories have not been vacated.
 
Is the use of "village defence squads", i.e. civilian fighters or irregulars constitutional?
 
That is incorrect - it would have no end were it a 'popular movement', and it is not. In that context having the local villagers step up and form their defense committees is important to deny the militants space to operate, as I said, since the military cannot be everywhere.

A guerilla war does not need active popular support. Some really pissed off sections suffice... This is what the insurgents are right now doing. They are mucking around so that people get pissed off and some start blaming the government.

Local villagers setting up defence committees is risky... you are creating a militia (under loose control) to fight a militia. Things can go haywire.

What Pakistan needs is boots on ground. You are right, the military cannot be everywhere, but increased presence is the only way to fight a guerilla conflict. Its more police work than war.
 
A guerilla war does not need active popular support. Some really pissed off sections suffice... This is what the insurgents are right now doing. They are mucking around so that people get pissed off and some start blaming the government.

Local villagers setting up defence committees is risky... you are creating a militia (under loose control) to fight a militia. Things can go haywire.

What Pakistan needs is boots on ground. You are right, the military cannot be everywhere, but increased presence is the only way to fight a guerilla conflict. Its more police work than war.
A guerrilla war does need support and sanctuary - they have to live, eat, hide, resupply themselves somehow - all the essentials for continuing to fight and survive are not going to come down from heaven you know.

Eliminate or limit those sanctuaries, and you have reduced significantly, if not eliminated entirely, the threat from the militants.

I disagree that defense squads are risky, and I have laid out my reasons for that in previous posts in this thread, which you can respond to.

I do agree that there needs to be a larger PA/FC presence as far as boots on the ground go.
 
The military cannot police every village, even if it wanted to. It would be spread out so thin (as we saw in the early days of the FATA conflict) that check posts would be continuously overrun. At the end of the day it is effective local law enforcement that will prove to be the key to preventing terrorism, whether in FATA or in mainstream Pakistan.

You are simply reverting back to the tactics used by the USA in Afghanistan...which led to the creation of the Taliban, and the ones used by you in Kashmir....which led to the current crisis in both India and Pakistan.

Once a fighter, always a fighter. These volunteers will find themselves a new cause if and when the current war gets over.
 
Exactly. But ever noticed that the fact "Mullah Umer has said they have no connection with nor any support for Baitullah" was never vigirously circulated in the pakistan media. Tv channels like Geo that normally make a big issue out of little things never illustrated this fact enough. Thats why theres alot of ignorance in Pakistan and alot of Pakistani's cant distinguish between Taliban of Mullah Umer and the Proxy Taliban of Beitullah Meshud

Geo cant be termed as unbiased in terms of its role regarding Pakistan.

The other channels gain from glorifying the terrorists besides no one whants to miss the the dollars as well.

as far common people well be patient here in NWFP people are now distingushing between the Proxy Taliban and the real ones.

BTW on personal level there are some very very positive developments :)

keep ur fingers corss

Inshallah hard times will be passed too
 
You are simply reverting back to the tactics used by the USA in Afghanistan...which led to the creation of the Taliban, and the ones used by you in Kashmir....which led to the current crisis in both India and Pakistan.

Once a fighter, always a fighter. These volunteers will find themselves a new cause if and when the current war gets over.

That is completely wrong, and I attempted to explain the difference between community organized defense squads, and the insurgents trained to fight the Soviets and IA in my post here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/187748-post27.html

Part of the reason I believe Indians are so skeptical of this move is that it would not necessarily work in Afghanistan or Kashmir, where significant sections of the population, if not majorities, would be hostile to the 'occupying power' (US/India), and therefore not be trusted to do the 'community policing' effectively.

Pakistan at this stage does not have to deal with that dynamic. To an extent it has the loyalty/respect of the Tribes/Villagers (coupled with growing dislike for the Taliban), and therefore would find the option of defense squads far more effective than India or the US.
 
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Police, villagers chase militants out of Peshawar


16 suspects handed over to police

Sunday, August 31, 2008
Javed Aziz Khan

PESHAWAR: Police and villagers jointly countered an attack by militants in Sarband village, while elders of Matani handed over 16 out of the 32 suspected Taliban to police on Saturday.

Sources told The News that over two-dozen militants attacked the Shinwari Qilla security post in the small hours of Saturday but the police retaliated immediately. The villagers of Sarband, Shinwari Qilla, Sheikhan and Shahabkhel came out to help police and opened fire on the attackers.

The crossfire continued for almost an hour, pushing the miscreants back to the tribal Darra Adamkhel region. “There was no casualty in the attack and we chased the assailants out of the area,” Sarband police Station House Officer (SHO) Raza Mohammad told The News.

This was for the second time that people came out to support the police against militants. Earlier, the villagers of Badhaber had joined police to patrol their area to wipe out criminals from the village.

Police have also started monitoring activities of the suspicious elements in the district in a bid to improve law and order in Peshawar and stop the spill over of miscreants into the urban localities.

Around 200 villagers have been patrolling their streets along with police to counter militancy for the last four days. Also on Saturday, the nazims and elders of Matani, Adezai and adjacent villages produced 16 suspects before the police during a jirga at the Malik Saad Shaheed Police Lines. Those who were produced included Waheed Shah, Khairullah, Haroon, Ikramullah, Iqbal, Gohar, Rahat, Usman, Bahader, Sahib Gul, Hazrat Ali, Wajid, Qari Sajid Raza, Majid Khan, Afzal Khan and Khalid.

They were among the 32 people whose names were provided by the police to the elders of Matani for allegedly backing militants in the area. The elders assured none of the surrendered persons would shelter miscreants in future. Sources said other suspects had left the village and were residing in other areas or the tribal belt.

Senior police authorities have directed the SHOs to compile data of all the suspects in their jurisdiction. The suspects would be allowed to reside in their respective areas only if they signed an affidavit not to indulge in any criminal activity
 
This is a well-written and informative piece! :tup:


Winning hearts and minds

Sunday, August 31, 2008
Khalid Aziz

This asymmetric war is being waged at different levels in FATA and THE NWFP. Unlike a conventional war, where success and failure is measured in term of enemy area captured, the success or failure here is measured in terms of the number of people supporting the militants or the government. This war is thus not about control over land area but winning the support of a larger number of people than the opposing side. In other word, this is a conflict for the hearts and minds. Failure or success in this area is crucial--the central point for focusing if Pakistan wants to emerge out of this conflict successfully will be governance.

The militants in Waziristan, Kohat, Mohmand, Swat and Bajaur have tried to retain control over their strongholds by launching a reign of terror based on assassinations and defeating the morale of the security forces, as well as to provide a system of justice and security.

The approach adopted by them has been to whittle away at the security services by capturing or killing them and by adroit propaganda amongst the population that the militants were the soldiers of Islam while government forces were fighting in support of a non-Muslim power. This propaganda has been effective in obtaining the goodwill of Pakistanis for the militants overall objectives. However, a majority also decry the militants' recourse to violence. For the last few years the militants adopted the clever strategy of exploiting the weakness within the Pakistani system. If you examine the circumstances preceding the many "agreements" between the militants and the government forces, four things become apparent.

One, such agreements normally occur when the military, after initial difficulties, begins to regain supremacy but has not yet attained it. The "agreement" thus interrupts a trend which is heading towards success. Two, in return for releasing government captives, the militants obtain the release of many of their own rank and file who were arrested in the area of operation or on charges of sabotage in other parts of Pakistan.

The militants also force the security forces to withdraw from dominant positions which had been won after much bloodshed and sacrifice. Three, many of the agreements are reached after a good deal of money is transferred to militants as facilitating fees or as compensation for loss of lives and property. Four, for "convincing" the government to attain peace and then to weigh decisions in favour of militants, great reliance is placed on the tribal MNAs and senators, who act as a pressure group within the assemblies and later as members of peace jirga negotiating between the government and the militants.

This political group can thus be classified as those with leanings towards the militants. It cannot be otherwise, since they live in areas under the militants' domination. In support of this contention is the figure of more than 600 tribal Maliks executed by the militants since 2002. However, not a single MNA or Senator has been so victimised. Another attribute of such "agreements" is the preeminent role which the JUI-F plays on the floor of the Assembly or during subsequent negotiations.

A few weeks ago the security forces in Bajaur Agency came under a severe attack from a well organised group of Arabs and Central Asian fighters. When matters reached a critical level with the possible imminent capture of Khar, the agency headquarters, the military and the air force retaliated strongly. It resulted in heavy casualties to the militants and lead to their dispersal. An unintended consequence of the fighting was the departure of more than 250,000 residents of Bajaur, who are now refugees.

Tribesmen are holding jirgas in Salarzai and other places against the militants. They have forced the militants to evacuate their areas since they are accused of bringing pain to the residents of Bajaur. Furthermore, the military action has resulted in the death of more than 8,000 militants. Regrettably there have also been a number of innocent deaths. Maulvi Faqir Mohammad, the leader of the militants in Bajaur, is either dead or injured, because he is not traceable.

In Swat the community protected the veteran political stalwart Afzal Khan against the militants. In Koza Banda in Swat when Sikander Khan and Qayyum, two locals, were injured by the militants, the community retaliated and killed those responsible for the attack. Similarly, in Buner, Dir, Peshawar, Mardan and other places, the communities have organised themselves to defend against the militants. Thus a situation has arisen where the ascendency of the radicals has seen challenges for the first time by the communities with only marginal government assistance.

However, when the government is near success the old game of using Parliament as a prop to defeat the will of the state is brought into play. Any revision of policy at this stage will be a great blow to the government. At the same time, Pakistan is in the midst of a severe political crisis. This has occurred due to a breakdown of the coalition at the time of a presidential election. The tribal areas have 20 electoral votes in this contest. The tribal MNAs and Senators have said that they would like the military activity stopped in Bajaur as a precondition for casting their votes for the PPP candidate. In short, the presidential contest has become a negotiable item in the path of security operations. The JUI-F, which has more than 30 Electoral College votes, has categorically asked for a halt to all military operations.

What will be the consequences if the military action is stopped? It will not only let down the military but also all those who have accepted the challenge to fight the militants at the community level. We have seen that while the government adheres to ceasefires the militants do not. The militants use ceasefires to retaliate against those who risked attacking the militants. The government's ascendancy that now prevails will be lost.

One is not for war and would wish an end to the killings, but if there has to be a ceasefire the militants must surrender their core leaders and weapons and promise to end all violence. Secondly, this narrative clearly suggests that implementation of Pakistan's security policy after the guidelines have been fixed should not become a part of the political calculus.

At the start I had mentioned that the final determinant of an insurgency is winning the hearts and minds of the people. If you examine the militants' narrative it relates to the story of a rich person, bin Laden, who gave up his wealth, family and privileges to come and defend the poor, in a world where they believe their religion is under challenge. The "valiant" bin Laden is seen pitched in a battle against those who have greater personal and private interest in retaining power for themselves rather than for the public good.

Clearly under these circumstances the battle for the hearts and minds will be in favour of bin Laden than the leadership in Pakistan, which is portrayed as self-centred. This is indeed a huge challenge, but one which is overlooked by the ruling elite. In this battle for the hearts and minds the side which is moral, fair and bases its policies on principles, rather than on expediency, will win the battle for hearts and minds.

If Pakistan is to have a fighting chance of coming on top of the insurgency it must improve governance and help the poor. Secondly, it must protect its security policies from the vagaries of selfish political actors. A contrary course will spell disaster.


The writer is a former chief secretary of NWFP and heads the Regional Institute of Policy Research in Peshawar. Email: azizkhalid **********
 
Bravo, they deserve it! :tup:


Tribesmen torch Taliban houses in Bajaur

September 01, 2008
KHAR: Tribesmen in Bajaur Agency’s Salarzai tehsil on Sunday formed a private army (lashkar) of around 30,000 people against the local Taliban. A local jirga decided to form the lashkar in the wake of the increasing presence of the local Taliban in the area.

The lashkar torched 14 houses, including the house of a local Taliban commander. Tribal elder Malik Munsib Khan, who heads the lashkar, said tribesmen would continue their struggle until the Taliban were expelled from the area, adding that anyone found sheltering Taliban militants would be fined Rs one million and his house would be torched. The tribesmen also torched two important centres of the Taliban in the area and gained control of most of the tehsil. The action came hours after the government announced to stop the ongoing military operation against the local Taliban in Bajaur during Ramazan. hasbanullah khan
 
Lashkar captures taliban’s stronghold, six militants killed
Updated at: 0211 PST, Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Lashkar captures taliban’s stronghold, six militants killed PARACHINAR: The local tribal lashkar formed to end the militancy in Kurram agency, Monday captured Bagzai area, stronghold of the Taliban, while six militants among nine were killed and 26 other injured in fresh clashes.

The local tribal lashkar retook control of the Char Dewal and Jalmai villages from the Taliban, the official sources said.

Meanwhile, after defeat of Taliban in various parts of the agency, the local tribesmen have intensified their peace efforts and plugged all entry points to stop entry of the unwanted elements in the agency.

The local tribal elders of Kurram Agency have approached the tribal elders of other agencies in order to convince them to make efforts for expulsion of the non-local Taliban from the Kurram Agency.

Lashkar captures taliban’s stronghold, six militants killed - GEO.tv
 
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