Border Clash Between Afghanistan & Pakistan: Afghanistan Protecting TTP

[Pandora]

Agree, except that using Americans as scapegoats will have serious consequences. It may work once or twice but we shall have to own our actions.

Americans have nothing to loose by being scape goated. This is the least they can do by us allowing them to use ALOC. Even Iranis are now using drones in Afghan space. We can simply deny it wasnt us. With so many players Afghan Taliban will at least have an excuse.

 

[FuturePAF]

The cost may be too high if we go all in with such a solution. There must be near-infinite hill tops & we could hardly afford such an ambitious course of action.

The proactive prescription is much better. Target TTP & force the Taliban to look the other way. If the casualties are low, they may not be forced to show a reaction.

In the long run, however, the war has to be fought on the civilian front: Pashtun population in the border areas must view the intruding Afghans as enemies, not brothers. There is precedence for this. In 50s, Afghan govt tried to intrude, but the tribal population gave the intruding Afghan army a good spanking while supporting Pakistan army. This needs to be repeated enough times until some sense is knocked in to the adventurous jingos on the other side.

If they would not do it, we will have to do it. There is international precedent for such a course of action. If we are afraid of them being pissed off then we have already lost. This is a tough neighborhood, not European Union.

Agreed, the cost would be relatively high. This is a why, IMHO, the border forts should also be self sustaining as trading posts and locations where Afghans can get medical care. Something like Hadrian’s wall. It may take a decade to build up what I have suggested, but it’s a way to employ locals and make the border a more permanent fixture in the minds of the people on both sides of the line as well as the landscape.

Development of KPK and Baluchistan should be prioritized, now that we need to capitalize on the relative calm.

 

[Chak Bamu]

If we challenge our companies to make the cheapest munition to do the job it could also have a lot of export prospects. Necessity is the mother of invention. The artillery out troops are firing, may not get the miscreants and do a smart munition maybe more effective, actually more effective, and a good way for us to train in these kinds of missions.

A kill chain, with a spotter drone handing off the targeting data to a loitering munition, helps to train the whole team ( it just for this mission, but the potential fight with India in the future) and raises the morale of the men; they know they will be avenged and that they have a fighting chance if they hold on, as drone air forces is always there. A game changer from the poor FC based that had to find a way to survive on their own for hours.

I agree whole-heartedly with this.

We must use fear & incentives both, but primarily fear of being hit each time they do something stupid.

 

[Titanium100]

Americans have nothing to loose by being scape goated. This is the least they can do by us allowing them to use ALOC. Even Iranis are now using drones in Afghan space. We can simply deny it wasnt us. With so many players Afghan Taliban will at least have an excuse.

Never encountered a more retarded thread then this one.. Goddamn hearing fallacies everywhere..

Look we need Afghanistan for the eastern border period we need that extra manpower and depth.. Case closed everything else is landing on empty area

 

[Chak Bamu]

It’s an option, if the other fail. I agree it’s an option that shouldn’t be done lightly, but should be kept in mind if all else fails. But I agree, in general we should respect their border if they respect ours.

But they don't & that is the root-cause of our problems.

 

[Aesterix]

Reminds me about that mother of shaheed APS chikd to whom Brigadier said to make more childern. I mean just this statement show level of seriousness amongst our Military top brass. Even now many Military generals think of Taliban as aba jaan.

Which brigadier said so and when?
Quote me the incident or shut your Maryam nawaz infested propaganda mouth.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Never encountered a more retarded thread then this one.. Goddamn hearing fallacies everywhere..

Look we need Afghanistan for the eastern border period we need that extra manpower and depth.. Case closed everything else is landing on empty area

Could you please expand on that? What do you mean by extra man power & depth? I thought we tried & failed already. What we are seeing is the after-effects of that failure. We can not be black-mailed by Afghans because we think that we need extra depth.

 

[Pandora]

Which brigadier said so and when?
Quote me the incident or shut your Maryam nawaz infested propaganda mouth.

I already provided the link if you hd bothered to go theough entire thread. Next time you bark i will put you down like a dog so be civil in your convo and dont show your khandaan here.

 

[Titanium100]

Could you please expand on that? What do you mean by extra man power & depth?

We did not fail with anything..

Our relations is strong..

Look an attack will come from the eastern border in the coming decades perhaps 2-3 decades from now in a large proportion.. We need that impregnatable terrain they have including the extra manpower they can provide.. We can't break-up with them until the gangu era is over.. We are bonded together stragetically..

All this is minor and non-issue.. But we both need to stay strong and lay in wait until the gangu comes knocking which they will 100% that is when we punish them with the ultimate punishment which is they lose everything.. THey will have to pay for that mistake and miscalculation..

Stay patient and lay in wait in your spot the prey will come to you from the east and it will seek you out by itself

 

[FuturePAF]

I agree whole-heartedly with this.

We must use fear & incentives both, but primarily fear of being hit each time they do something stupid.

And a swift quick response will also be good for our troops in terms of training and morale. Simple remote gun systems are also what our forts need. Just a decent enough camera on a gimbaled gun mount can help our troops stay out of the line of fire. It’s a system that could be applied to the LOC, and other sensitive locations, as well as be exported.

Basically our engineers could build something like this from CAD drawing

But they don't & that is the root-cause of our problems.

Adequate defenses along the border can be the field where natural selection can play out. Any miscreant that challenges the line would be met with remote weapons fire and more firepower then they can survives there will always be some we can’t dissuade, but hopefully with a strong line, and good trade relations with the government in Kabul, the miscreants will be fewer and fewer as time goes on. We just need to find ways to keep our soldiers safe on the line, because in this I agree with @Titanium100, we don’t need to inadvertently make the leadership of the Afghan Talibs the enemies of Pakistan. We have endured most our existence with a hostile Afghanistan, we don’t need that anymore. We just need a way for the dead enders to bash themselves on our fence if they so choose, and for us to be able to not lose people, while we economically make Afghanistan as dependent on Pakistan as possible (mining done in Afghanistan need to be processed and shipped through Pakistan, and similar means of interdependence; we can start by finding ways to have as much of humanitarian aid to Afghan go through Pakistan and NGOs the Pakistani government is helping to manage)

 

[Aesterix]

I already provided the link if you hd bothered to go theough entire thread. Next time you bark i will put you down like a dog so be civil in your convo and dont show your khandaan here.

Try me, and you will see who gets put down like a dog.

In تعزیت , when a child dies or money is lost, its customary to say اللہ اور دے گا ۔
If someone interprets it as make more babies, it's their own wrong understanding.

 

[Pandora]

Try me, and you will see who gets put down like a dog.

In تعزیت , when a child dies or money is lost, its customary to say اللہ اور دے گا ۔
If someone interprets it as make more babies, it's their own wrong understanding.

Fcuk off and welcome to
ignore list. Those who open their convo with their retarded comments dont deserve a response.

 

[Aesterix]

Fcuk off and welcome to
ignore list. Those who open their convo with their retarded comments dont deserve a response.

Yeah I won't lose my sleep on this , weirdo.

 

[Winchester]

Meanwhile Bajwa is busy negotiating with Nawaz and Zardari.

 

[Aesterix]

Now now where are Taliban cheer leaders?
Told you these are snakes who don't want Pakistan to exist, same as any Afghani.