Bomb Blast in Crowded Daata Darbar (Shrine), Lahore

[T-Faz]

first of he is not minister... Secondly who are we to declare them (The Afghan Taliban) Terrorits?? they are fighting against an invader...

Ever since Mullah Baradar collaborated with TTP to carry out attacks in Pakistan. Are you even aware of what actually has happened in our country for the last few years. The Afghan Taliban has helped TTP to conduct bombing campaigns in Pakistan. Ask someone in the power matrix who provided TTP with the material to attack our cities, the logistics and what not is coming from Afghanistan through the Taliban.

Keep going terrorist sympathizer, I will let you tactically support the bastards as much as you want.

 

[niaz]

ONE MULLAH IN EVERY CENTUARY AMONGST ALMOST TWO BILLION PEOPLE NOW IS PATHETIC. Al azhar the centre of Islamic jurusprudence has decalred fiqh jaffariya a legitimate school of thought, so has fatwa council of GB , sunni and shia have no fundamental diffrences, its mainly of juruprudence and theology. AZAM tariq was from aoutlawed deobandi group who were condemned by sunni shias alike etc, they present a great extremist view, its like me saying the HIndu Nationalists are the voice of all hindus.

You may not have noticed but while most of mosques in Punjab were run by the Braeilvis, during the Zia and post Zia period, majority were taken over by the Deobandis.

My friends are aware of my liberal outlook. One of them hoping to bring me back to true Islam lent me the book “Shias are Muslim or Kafir, you decide”. You are quite correct that Maulana Farooqi conveniently ignored thousands of Ulemas who thought otherwise. Nevertheless, the book was written for the sole purpose of giving the impression to people with less inquisitive minds that Shias are kafir and thus wajibul qatl.

Even Jews, the most educated group in the world are no different. Yagil Amir, the youngman who killed Israei Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin for sigining Oslo accord with the Palestinians, is considred a hero by the Likud; the very same party that Benjmain Natanyahu belongs.

I realize that ordinary terrorist is as much a victim as the people he kills; the poor guy thinks that he is doing Allah’s work. Main culprit is the callous master mind who pulls the strings.

Point I am trying to prove is that without doubt all religions preach tolerance and compassion. There are however, a significant number of scholars and institutions who openly preach eliminating anyone whose religious beliefs don’t agree with theirs. These people use religion as a tool to gain power, fame, wealth and whatever comes with it.

For example, who doesn’t know that Bal Thakrey preaches communal violence and is directly or indirectly responsible for killing hundreds if not thousands of Muslims? Nevertheless even secular Congress gov’t of Maharashtra dare not arrest him.

In Pakistan Azam Tariq was elected MNA from Jhang three times. He was released in 2002 in return for providing Zafarullah Jamali the one vote needed to form the gov’t. Who says preaching hatred doesn’t pay?

 

[Zillay_Khan]

Tell Maulana Qasi Hussain Ahmed Sahib that there own creator Maulana Maududi Sahib was a well known CIA collaborator (direct CIA phone line), it is best not to bite the hand that feeds you.

It is our very own extremists that are hurting us, no one else. Our populace is still in their delusions that Muslims are the victim and never the aggressor. Our own extremists Muslims are the aggressors and the ones who have been hurting us since long.

There is no concept of Mullah in Islam, it was one of the rights we were supposed to do after the Christian clergy wrecked european countries with their superstitious ways.

We must break these religious parties down one by one. This way they will be removed from our lives and end our collective misery. They have covered our country with a shroud of darkness, we are lost and suffering international humiliation. If we do not right our wrongs, we will suffer greatly, the arabs have used our country as an exercise for death and destruction.

Mostly correctly as for mullas, Maybe you meant ulema,. they are needed and inforced in Quran and sunnah, if you do not know it dont mean its not there, and its needed as not all people understand faith in the same level, its saves people going astray and for your info teh people that are proovign the extremists wrong and debating and thrashign them is infact the ulema themselves as the common layman just have emotional outbursts

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

This lady gets her info so damn wrong , if only i had a penny for each time she does it lol, all emo does is paste from pro anti islamic websites and then thinks its facts lol, hes not a minister

Looks like ur surprised?

According to her... Holy Quran was WRITTEN by SOME ARABS after Hazrat Muhammad SAWs demise.

Sharia laws r barbaric... etc etc

 

[kugga]

Ever since Mullah Baradar collaborated with TTP to carry out attacks in Pakistan. Are you even aware of what actually has happened in our country for the last few years. The Afghan Taliban has helped TTP to conduct bombing campaigns in Pakistan. Ask someone in the power matrix who provided TTP with the material to attack our cities, the logistics and what not is coming from Afghanistan through the Taliban.

Keep going terrorist sympathizer, I will let you tactically support the bastards as much as you want.

first you wrote Pak Army and ISI and then changed it Power matrix... i don't know wheter you wanna prove that em right or you wanna prove that pakistan as a state is terrorist??
Every one who opposes america and his policies is not a terrorist i think... I am clearly against American invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever you call me for that, it will only show your level ...

 

[Hyde]

Denial & Only Denial, that has become our national trait unfortunately, There's is no need to think about Kashmir when we are ourselves our own battle of survival which has all the potential to annihilate the very existence of Pakistan & the funny thing is that some religious clerics are still unable to categorically condemn suicide blasts, What foreign policy do these people want? I want to know, We cannot abandon WoT nor is ISAF loosing is in favor of Pakistan

Lets leave Kashmir issue aside. Thats entirely a different topic.

In my opinion:

1) India = Enemy
2) Israel = Not friend, but not a face-to-face enemy too
3) America = Friend~
4) Talibans = Enemy

so does it really matter who attacked our shrines after the presence of so many enemies? the point to concern is, our security forces failed to stop this attack, rather than playing blame game we must improve our security forces and try to stop these attacks in future. There is always a room of debate about the mastermind of these attacks, but one thing is certain that our security forces once again failed to stop these terrorist attacks and thats what pisses me the most

 

[T-Faz]

Mostly correctly as for mullas, Maybe you meant ulema,. they are needed and inforced in Quran and sunnah, if you do not know it dont mean its not there, and its needed as not all people understand faith in the same level, its saves people going astray and for your info teh people that are proovign the extremists wrong and debating and thrashign them is infact the ulema themselves as the common layman just have emotional outbursts

I guess you forgot that its firstly your own parents responsibility to teach you about the basics of Islam, schools would then play an important role and mosques will be used further for strengthening our faith.

This Ulema is more concerned with politics rather than the real 'Islam' to actually spread the real message of it. As for these guys proving the extremists wrong, its not really working is it.

 

[kugga]

Lets leave Kashmir issue aside. Thats entirely a different topic.



so does it really matter who attacked our shrines after the presence of so many enemies? the point to concern is, our security forces failed to stop this attack, rather than playing blame game we must improve our security forces and try to stop these attacks in future. There is always a room of debate about the mastermind of these attacks, but one thing is certain that our security forces once again failed to stop these terrorist attacks and thats what pisses me the most

Exactly same feelings I m having..
I don't know what exactly our security agnecies are doing currently ...

 

[T-Faz]

first you wrote Pak Army and ISI and then changed it Power matrix... i don't know wheter you wanna prove that em right or you wanna prove that pakistan as a state is terrorist??

The PA and ISI are currently engaged with these groups on multiple levels, so why would I prove as Pakistan as a terrorist state when it is fighting the terrorists. You seem to be confused, I changed it to power matrix because our politicians are included in the group of people who are aware of what is happening between these groups.

Every one who opposes america and his policies is not a terrorist i think... I am clearly against American invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever you call me for that, it will only show your level ...

Who is discussing the American policies here, I am merely pointing to your support for the taliban who have brutally murdered and killed many of our own. My level is clear on your standing, I have debated many times with you to realize which side you are on.

 

[kugga]

I guess you forgot that its firstly your own parents responsibility to teach you about the basics of Islam, schools would then play an important role and mosques will be used further for strengthening our faith.

This Ulema is more concerned with politics rather than the real 'Islam' to actually spread the real message of it. As for these guys proving the extremists wrong, its not really working is it.

but according to you people it's working for the other way round like for creating a suicide bomber.....Then why it's not working this way ?? ??
Just because you don't want to appreciate beared people??

 

[kugga]

The PA and ISI are currently engaged with these groups on a multiple level, so why would I prove as Pakistan as a terrorist state when it is fighting the terrorists. You seem to be confused, I changed it to power matrix because our politicians are included in the group of people who are aware of what is happening between these groups.

I am still unable to get you

Who is discussing the American policies here, I am merely pointing to your support for the taliban who have brutally murdered and killed many of our own. My level is clear on your standing, I have debated many times with you to realize which side you are on.

So after so many debates you are still unable to understand my point of view.... You called me terrorist sympathizer just because I supported Afghan Taliban who are fighting against america... and those Afghan taliban are not launching there activities in pakistan (as far as I know)... and for you kind information once again i am saying that I m not in any way support of TTP....... but you hatered is not towards TTP as i know after having debates with you... You are against any person who have a bear and dares to speak for Islam..

 

[DaRk WaVe]

and those Afghan taliban are not launching there activities in pakistan

They certainly have wishes to implement their Sharia in Pakistan....
what makes you think that after winning against ISAF, they would not like to expand their war against the facilitators of infidels

Discussing his hopes for the future, Ali said that “After conquering Afghanistan, we will implement Shariah in Karachi.”

All aboard the militants? train – The Express Tribune

 

[Joe Shearer]

I dont just blame blame just the terrorist and or the Taliban for acts like this...I blame every person that applauded,, or approved of, any attacks on civlians. Look into your own heart, maybe you have found the problem and it is you. If you approved of the people that bombed the buses, cafes civilians in Israel, if you felt joy or satisfaction when 911 happend, if you in any way supported the cold blooded murder of civilians any where and in any time in any way, you are responsible this attack on the Daata Darbar (Shrine). Once the line was crossed there have a been a generation of Muslems that have growen up beliving the murder of innocent people is a justfied way to express your anger or further their cause. I think their is a song "I have found my enemy and it is me"

Dear Sir,

POGO Cartoon Strip - Walt Kelly - "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Sincerely,

 

[T-Faz]

but according to you people it's working for the other way round like for creating a suicide bomber.....Then why it's not working this way ?? ??
Just because you don't want to appreciate beared people??

Its not working in this manner because the 'Ulema' is not consistent or willing to end the problem that persists, there finances from the Middle East will dry up if they were to try and end this problem.

I do not know what beared is but I think you meant bearded, I never said I do not appreciate bearded people, my father and his brothers have beards but they and I appreciate them and also a number of others who are actually religious figures.

 

[kugga]

They certainly have wishes to implement their Sharia in Pakistan....
what makes you think that after winning against ISAF, they would not like to expand their war against the facilitators of infidels

and who makes you think the other way round... ?? may be the Europeon media ?? who gave you news that there are weapon of mass destruction in Iraq?? and which is continuously giving reports about the location UBL(The untouched and Unseen villain)??