Boeing 737 MAX Crash (explained by Aviation expert)

[serenity]

I lost you at #1. This 737 MAX plane is Chinese-built and that's the sole reason it crashed!! That should refute everything that comes out of you on this forum.

Hahahaha... okay I will take that as defeat and apology since there is no proof it is Chinese built and the fault causing accidents is 100% only because of Chinese involved areas. You can hang onto this little safe space. Blame every fault on Chinese and keep hiding your head in the sand.

I think you can't read the news. Boeing 737 Max is banned from flying in China... Not made there. Maybe before you study computer science, you should learn to read and learn how to do research.

But now I see what kind of person you are...
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/i-am-not-feeling-good-just-had-another-break-down.596280/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/i-dont-hate-indians-anymore.596943/

And there is no point in saying what I said before so please ignore them. You can carry on if you like, I will ignore it because it is coming from someone shown in the thread links above. I hope you do well. Please try to understand that some false teachings and beliefs in life are hard to let go because they made us who we were. Some reasons you feel those ways is because of the toxic beliefs and thoughts and kind of environment you put yourself in like the bullying Indians part. It contributes to the problem and will destroy you. You can direct your emotions at any group of people... easy if they are on news hurting your identity. Hopefully you will grow up to understand how this works. You are still very very young and have lot's of room. Good luck to you. Please ignore my previous posts. Also try to be nice to homosexual people and feminists. Empathizing with others is first step to wisdom.

 

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Hahahaha... okay I will take that as defeat and apology since there is no proof it is Chinese built and the fault causing accidents is 100% only because of Chinese involved areas. You can hang onto this little safe space. Blame every fault on Chinese and keep hiding your head in the sand.

Do you have access to Google? Or is it every site blocked for you? You can simply find dozens of results.

 

[Beast]

Do you have access to Google? Or is it every site blocked for you? You can simply find dozens of results.

In fact, it's becos made in India parts and India engineer which causes quality issue.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business...rkforce-in-india/amp_articleshow/61835562.cms

 

[denel]

These products are "fast-tracked" un-necessarily to fill their pockets in the nearest fiscal them. Second-class engineering is used perhaps (Chinese) in dirty plants in Shanghai. Foregoing the revolutionary years of Boeing in which everything was produced by American and European resources. It's a cheap world nowadays.

Completely wrong.

In fact they are using state of the art testing and simulation. The issue is classic software engineering certification.
Please go and study software engineering... NOT MSCE - That is not engineering. You must have 4 years plus of mathematical engineering principles combined with software engineering and computer science. The software are brand new and huge especially the new one on 737-Max series; it is also being supplemented by various augmentation/awareness technologies which is adding to the overall failure.

FAA is in bed with Boeing and company; allowing Boeing and LM to self regulate is a fallacy; all FAA folks are guaranteed a spot on Boeing after their life in FAA. Corruption breeds incompetence and lackustre discipline as can be seen by the opioid crisis created by the pharmaceuticals in the US.

 

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Completely wrong.

In fact they are using state of the art testing and simulation. The issue is classic software engineering certification.
Please go and study software engineering... NOT MSCE - That is not engineering. You must have 4 years plus of mathematical engineering principles combined with software engineering and computer science. The software are brand new and huge especially the new one on 737-Max series; it is also being supplemented by various augmentation/awareness technologies which is adding to the overall failure.

FAA is in bed with Boeing and company; allowing Boeing and LM to self regulate is a fallacy; all FAA folks are guaranteed a spot on Boeing after their life in FAA. Corruption breeds incompetence and lackustre discipline as can be seen by the opioid crisis created by the pharmaceuticals in the US.

I do not indulge in Mathematical principles (besides Business Economics—of which I have Junior level experience in the industry). Not Mathematical engineering, so get your facts straightened out, or else I will personally force you to get them straight.

I am MAINLY certified Software Engineer (although not Full-stack). Which I will obtain in not-so-distant future. Computer Science is my MAIN profession. I do not do Engineering or any of that bullsh*t. I am well knowledgeable of this subject matter. The 737-Max series had a 'glitch', but it was actually a blunder by the bad Engineering put forth in the Autopilot systems. "Awareness technologies" are you kidding me? This is just some verbal diarrhea by no other than some phony who is masquerading as Avionics expert.

Crash I had identified was due to Automated Maneuver Vectoring to un-do stalling/other similar emergency scenarios. The Maneuvering Systems triggered incorrectly thinking that there was such scenario (as set up to do so). But this Maneuver was so maliciously instilled that the jet had not allowed any counter re-action by the pilot to reverse the movie, plunging too sharply towards the grounds.

 

[denel]

I do not indulge in Mathematical principles (besides Business Economics—of which I have Junior level experience in the industry). Not Mathematical engineering, so get your facts straightened out, or else I will personally force you to get them straight.

I am MAINLY certified Software Engineer (although not Full-stack). Which I will obtain in not-so-distant future. Computer Science is my MAIN profession. I do not do Engineering or any of that bullsh*t. I am well knowledgeable of this subject matter. The 737-Max series had a 'glitch', but it was actually a blunder by the bad Engineering put forth in the Autopilot systems. "Awareness technologies" are you kidding me? This is just some verbal diarrhea by no other than some phony who is masquerading as Avionics expert.

Crash I had identified was due to Automated Maneuver Vectoring to un-do stalling/other similar emergency scenarios. The Maneuvering Systems triggered incorrectly thinking that there was such scenario (as set up to do so). But this Maneuver was so maliciously instilled that the jet had not allowed any counter re-action by the pilot to reverse the movie, plunging too sharply towards the grounds.

Sorry - technically you cannot be certified software engineer. This is a degree program not achieved via certificates. Want to set that correctly. In the US, i know SE have been mislabeled. For any program development, you have to perform rigorous formal verification e.g. mathematical proofs as to why the end results are being achieved. Computer Science is not Software Engineering; but a complimentary subject matter. I am happy to pass along the relevant books - all of them heavy duty discrete maths.

No need to use profanity; like my esteemed chinese colleague replied @serenity before - you are very hostile to any input. Learn to have the capability to learn and accept gaps. Nothing in life is perfect and we are learning every day. That is what makes a good student. Unfortunately you seem to be mislead in many aspects. Using vulgarity or profanity and trying to bully others - regretfully is a typical indian trait which you are exposed to here; avoid such stupidity - it is unbecoming a person who claims to be educated.

I have 2 seperate level degrees in Software Engineering (MSc, Phd) which is why i am parting this advice with Comp Science/Elec Enggn at undergrad levels. Now embarked on 3rd disertation for applying SE towards medical field - My 3rd doctorate and have 3 patents and many IEEE papers.

cheers .. have a mampoer.

 

[airmarshal]

The point is that Boeing is shifting eastwards for cheap labors. The result is sub-standard engineering and products. Contrary to their history.

The Dreamliner was all built in USA. It had a lot of quality issues.

The MAX fiasco is not because of Chinese parts built in a dirty factory. Its because of dirty mind thinking quick money and thus cutting corners to get ahead of competition.

 

[Enigma SIG]

https://arstechnica.com/information...-have-prevented-737-max-crashes-as-an-option/

They didn’t buy the DLC: feature that could’ve prevented 737 crashes was sold as an option
Software-based alerts would have told pilots 737 MAX's MCAS system's sensor input were wrong.

The crashed Lion Air 737 MAX and the Ethiopian Airlines 737 MAX aircraft had more in common than aircraft design and the apparently malfunctioning flight system that led to their demises. Both of the planes lacked optional safety features that would have alerted the pilots to problems with their angle of attack (AOA) sensors—the input suspected of causing the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) software to put both aircraft into a fatal dive.

The New York Times reports that both vehicles lacked an "AOA disagree" light—a warning light that indicates when the aircraft's two AOA sensors provide different readings—and an angle of attack indicator. Since the MCAS system relied only on one of the aircraft's AOA sensors, the disagree light and AOA indicator would have given the flight crew visible evidence of a sensor failure and prompted them to disable the MCAS. But both of these features were sold by Boeing as expensive add-ons. And many discount and smaller airlines declined to purchase them, as they were not required by regulators.

According to the Times, a "source familiar with the changes" said that the AOA disagree light will be added to the digital flight displays as part of an update to MCAS software. That update is expected to be deployed by no later than the end of April. The AOA indicator on the digital display will remain an add-on option.

The next logical progression is offering loot crates to the pilots.

For just 100 BoeingCrystals you have chance to unlock cool skins for the aircraft, various unique pilot's hats to impress your friends, and if you are very lucky you could even get an Ultra-Rare Shiny Legendary Purple Tier critical flight control system that will help you keep the plane in the air!

 

[Khafee]

The Boeing 737 Max crisis goes way beyond software
By Tim Fernholz
March 23, 2019
https://qz.com/1577986/the-boeing-737-max-crisis-goes-way-beyond-software/


More on this issue:
https://qz.com/re/boeing-737-max/

 

[@@@]

Sorry - technically you cannot be certified software engineer. This is a degree program not achieved via certificates. Want to set that correctly. In the US, i know SE have been mislabeled. For any program development, you have to perform rigorous formal verification e.g. mathematical proofs as to why the end results are being achieved. Computer Science is not Software Engineering; but a complimentary subject matter. I am happy to pass along the relevant books - all of them heavy duty discrete maths.

No need to use profanity; like my esteemed chinese colleague replied @serenity before - you are very hostile to any input. Learn to have the capability to learn and accept gaps. Nothing in life is perfect and we are learning every day. That is what makes a good student. Unfortunately you seem to be mislead in many aspects. Using vulgarity or profanity and trying to bully others - regretfully is a typical indian trait which you are exposed to here; avoid such stupidity - it is unbecoming a person who claims to be educated.

I have 2 seperate level degrees in Software Engineering (MSc, Phd) which is why i am parting this advice with Comp Science/Elec Enggn at undergrad levels. Now embarked on 3rd disertation for applying SE towards medical field - My 3rd doctorate and have 3 patents and many IEEE papers.

cheers .. have a mampoer.

I have been waiting quite a while to respond to you.

How dare you cast doubts on my certifications? I know what my fields are, I know all my subject matter. Aviation is not out of my relevant educational and professional aptitude. I am quite an expert on this topic, and this thread is exemplifies that greatly.

However, please note that I did not fire any vulgar insults at anyone. It is just you who is making false accusations, which I might be thinking to take to court for libel charges. Again, this is just a warning and not a threat. I have many connections which can land you in many serious legal repercussions if you continue to discomfort me and my use of this Forum.

 

[Dungeness]

I have been waiting quite a while to respond to you.

How dare you cast doubts on my certifications? I know what my fields are, I know all my subject matter. Aviation is not out of my relevant educational and professional aptitude. I am quite an expert on this topic, and this thread is exemplifies that greatly.

However, please note that I did not fire any vulgar insults at anyone. It is just you who is making false accusations, which I might be thinking to take to court for libel charges. Again, this is just a warning and not a threat. I have many connections which can land you in many serious legal repercussions if you continue to discomfort me and my use of this Forum.

Certification or not, your posts demonstrated you have certain degree of cognitive deficits. Such as following:

Main mischief is China, agree not? These 737's are literally produced right there in China. You're right its not only China, the world really gotta catch-up on tech and education.

 

[@@@]

Certification or not, your posts demonstrated you have certain degree of cognitive deficits. Such as following:

What's wrong with that? I am absolutely correct.

 

[Dungeness]

What's wrong with that? I am absolutely correct.

If you still believe 737s are made in China, you surely have bigger problem than mild cognitive deficit.

 

[@@@]

If you still believe 737s are made in China, you surely have bigger problem than mild cognitive deficit.

I said 737 MAX is made in China. Not all 737's. Go back and read correctly.

 

[Dungeness]

I said 737 MAX is made in China. Not all 737's. Go back and read correctly.

You need to seek some help.