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Bloomberg: Russia and Iran Are Building a Trade Route That Defies Sanctions

again , complain to Islamic republic , why they were not the ones who broadcast the news first and control the media .
why they let Iran International and some other news agency break out the news in a twisted way , why I first heard the news here from another person who read about it on twitter several day after the incident instead of official channels ?
answer those and you take the first step to prevent the ones who want abuse the news for their agendas .

IRIB obviously didn't act optimally in this particular instance. No clue about the reason, no outsider has.

This said, who breaks the news isn't decisive. Had IRIB aired the correct version of events first, their voice would've been drowned by the enemy's gigantic propaganda apparatus anyway. Case in point, first hand material documenting the occurrence (CCTV footage, CT scans etc) is available for everyone to see, yet more than a handful continue to believe foreign propaganda and not simply because the fake news were published first.

Either way, considering how widespread the false narrative is, it remains every honest person's responsibility to set the record straight whenever they get a chance to do so. This disinformation will not be allowed to spread unchallenged.

the north south corridor while benefit Russia become on board at first designed for trade with Caucasus and central Asia and easier way for their access to India and China and east Asia market and that one also delayed because of not enough investment in the project and honestly i doubt many of those countries care at all about western unipolarism , I rather blame it on some politician lack of vision and some corruption

India and China are both key assets in the affirmation of multipolarism. Iran's North-South corridor is thus an important building block of the multipolar order.

The political failure of certain officials, yes, liberals who have a problem with Iran looking East rather than West for trade, business and investment, and have therefore neglected crucial projects like these. Not any more. Principlists are in charge of the administration now.

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and Mohammad Reza was not King Reza so he abandoned everything when he was young and later he was interested in other things

Point stands.

why shiraz , say Ahvaz , say Tabriz to Mashhad there is no direct line , do we have people more religious than people of Azerbaijan in Iran ?can you honestly tell there is no demand for that route ?

Why put the question to me, you came up with Ahvaz to Shiraz:

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From Tabriz to Mashhad, passengers change trains in Tehran. Not big deal. As a matter of fact even in western Europe, direct trains are sometimes unavailable between major cities and people need to get off and onto carriages somewhere along the way.

Moreover direct links can be programmed anytime because the infrastructure is there to allow it. It's a question of planning by railway companies and other entities, not a matter of ground infrastructure. Aspects like these put no dent in the Islamic Republic's admirable record in the development of Iran's national railway network, which as said has progressed at about twice the speed compared to the Pahlavi era. Expansion rate has been very satisfactory in international comparison too.

the exact person who already had to travel the same route by bus.
the bus go Tehran or Qom and from there go Mashhad , they don't cross the desert from Yazd to Mashhad
now if you prefer to travel 36-48 hour by bus instead of around 30-35 hours by train is something else

The rational solution to this would simply consist in a bus company offering a service on the direct road between the two cities. It will surely cost less than the u/c railway branch between Shiraz and Yazd.

By the way, bus companies are partially privatized, aren't they. So much for the efficiency of private entities over public ones in planning inter-city transport services.

At any rate, this has nothing to do with Iran's impressive performance in expanding the railway grid post-Revolution.

rolling stock for more than 24 hour route ? , and its not only capacity , its also about travel time

Add more trains on the route and there will be more seats available, it's not self-explanatory. When a certain threshold in passengers is reached and funds are available, start building the twin track as happened on the Tehran-Mashhad line. This is the correct road map for Iran's railway expansion, the priority is to connect every provincial capital and major city to the grid first, and then look to double tracks in addition to decreasing travel times. That way, social equity is better ensured as well.

Before twin tracks Iran needs more rolling stock. This goes not just for inter-city but also for urban rail (metros). Though yet again, the expansion of the network itself is a distinct matter.

Generally speaking railways are at a comparative disadvantage in Iran, which tends to limit the demand. Firstly, initial investment is made more expensive by the markedly mountainous topography with desertic landscapes prevailing in the remainder of the territory. Secondly, Iran's surface area is vast, population and economic centers far apart so travel times are bound to be elevated, unless they engage in all out HSR development, but to that effect one needs to have the economic resources of China (as a matter of fact, China's the only country with that type of an infrastructure). Thirdly, fuel being subsidized road travel becomes particularly attractive. Fourthly, the same applies to air travel: domestic flights in Iran are quite cheap and airfields abound, including in smaller and isolated cities, so flying will continue to be a preferred option for many travelers.

No matter how one looks at it, the Islamic Republic has excelled in developing national railways. That the program isn't completed as of yet is a no-brainer, but it doesn't diminish the greatness of the achievement in any shape or form.
 
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The manmade canal splits from the Don River heading towards the Volga.

The nations are investing upwards of $20 billion to ease passage of goods along waterways and railways.

Russia and Iran are building a new transcontinental trade route stretching from the eastern edge of Europe to the Indian Ocean, a 3,000–kilometer (1,860–mile) passage that’s beyond the reach of any foreign intervention.
The two countries are spending billions of dollars to speed up delivery of cargos along rivers and railways linked by the Caspian Sea. Ship–tracking data compiled by Bloomberg show dozens of Russian and Iranian vessels—including some that are subject to sanctions—already plying the route.
It’s an example of how great–power competition is rapidly reshaping trade networks in a world economy that looks set to fragment into rival blocs. Russia and Iran, under tremendous pressure from sanctions, are turning toward each other—and they’re both looking eastward, too. The goal is to shield commercial links from Western interference and build new ones with the giant and fast–growing economies of Asia.

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“This is about establishing sanctions–proof supply chains all the way through,” says Maria Shagina, an expert on sanctions and Russian foreign policy at the London–based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The emerging trade corridor would allow Russia and Iran to shave thousands of kilometers off existing routes. At its northern end is the Sea of Azov, which is bracketed by the Crimean Peninsula, Ukraine’s southeastern coast—including the Russian–occupied port of Mariupol—and the mouth of the River Don.

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Earlier this month, listing his country’s gains from the war in Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin said the Sea of Azov “has become an inland sea” for Russia.
From there river, sea and rail networks extend to Iranian hubs on the Caspian Sea and ultimately the Indian Ocean. Putin has flagged the importance of that end of the corridor, as well.
At an economic forum in September he underlined the need to develop the ship, rail and road infrastructure along the route that “will provide Russian companies with new opportunities to enter the markets of Iran, India, the Middle East and Africa, and will facilitate supplies from these countries in return.”
Shagina estimates Russia and Iran are investing as much as $25 billion in the inland trade corridor, helping to facilitate the flow of goods the West wants to stop. “The two countries are playing a cat–and–mouse game,” she says. “They will explore all loopholes to transport banned products and weapons.”

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Ship passing through a gate on the Volga-Don Shipping Canal.

That alarms the US and its allies, as they seek to block transfers of Iranian drones and other military supplies they say are aiding the Kremlin’s war in Ukraine.
“It is an area we’re watching carefully, both that route and more generally the Iranian–Russian connection,” said the Biden administration’s top sanctions official, James O’Brien, after announcing new punishments last week that target executives at Russian Railways. “We are concerned with any effort to help Russia evade the sanctions.”

Robert Malley, the Biden administration’s Iran envoy, says any new trade corridor needs scrutiny, as part of what’s become his top priority: stopping arms shipments between the countries. “That’s an extraordinarily damaging, reckless decision they’ve made,” Malley says. “It’s important to put the spotlight on it, to try to show the world that they can’t hide.”
Beyond any arms trade between the countries, there are compelling economic reasons for the new transit route.
Ships sailing the Don and Volga rivers have traditionally traded energy and agricultural commodities—Iran is the third-largest importer of Russian grain—but the range is set to widen. The two countries have announced a raft of new business deals that cover goods including turbines, polymers, medical supplies and automotive parts. Russia also supplies nuclear fuel and components for Iran’s reactor in Bushehr.
Russia needs to compensate for the sudden breakdown of its commercial ties with Europe, which before the war was its biggest trade partner, as well as finding workarounds for US and European Union sanctions.
“With European transport networks getting closed off, they’re focused on developing alternative trade corridors which support Russia’s turn to the East,” says Nikolay Kozhanov, a Gulf expert at Qatar University who served as a Kremlin diplomat in Tehran from 2006 to 2009. “You can impose controls over sea routes, but land routes are difficult to watch. It’s almost impossible to track them all.”
There are plenty of obstacles, and both Russia and Iran are spending heavily to overcome them.

Russia is finalizing rules that would give ships from Iran right of passage along inland waterways on the Volga and Don rivers, according to Iran’s Maritime News Agency.
Ship movement data compiled by Bloomberg already show at least a dozen Iranian vessels, some operated by the US–sanctioned Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines Group, plying waters between the country’s Caspian coast and key Volga River ports.

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The Tehran–based IRISL made a $10 million investment in a port along the Volga, the semiofficial Iranian Labour News Agency reported last month. The aim is to almost double cargo capacity at the Solyanka Port in the Russian city of Astrakhan, to 85,000 tons a month.

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Solyanka Port in the Russian city of Astrakhan.

Inside its own borders, Iran is pouring money into terminals where cargo can be rolled off ships and onto railroads that crisscross the country from the Caspian to the Persian Gulf. It’s also expanding a rail network that already runs some 16,000 kilometers and is part of the Unesco World Heritage List.
Trade delegations are shuttling between Iran and Russia with growing frequency—and trade is rising, too. Officially it surged by almost half through August this year. The annual figure likely will soon exceed $5 billion. There’s a “clear path” to reaching $40 billion once a free–trade agreement is in place, Sergey Katyrin, the head of Russia’s Chamber of Commerce and Industry, told a conference in Tehran last month.

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For Iran the pivot has become more urgent amid faltering efforts to restore the 2015 deal with world powers, which lifted sanctions in exchange for restrictions on the country’s nuclear program. Tehran’s support for Moscow, along with its deadly crackdown on nationwide protests, has left its hard–line government increasingly cut off from the West.
Iranian officials say they’re fully focused on what they call “the Eastern axis”—scrapping any plans to revive economic ties with Europe and instead pursuing a slew of trade and energy agreements with Russia, China and Central Asian nations.
Largely beneath the radar of Western governments, a concerted effort has been under way for years to knit together that whole Eurasian territory. China and Russia are already members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, an economic–security body that is making Iran its ninth member. China and Iran are both close to gaining membership in the Eurasian Economic Union, which will make free trade across the countries possible. Another institution that links economies in the region and beyond it the BRICS group. Initially made up of Brazil, Russia, India and China, it now also includes South Africa and is poised to expand further.
In all of this, some analysts see echoes of an idea that dates back more than a century and is reckoned to be the foundation of geopolitical thinking. It focused on the struggle between an oceangoing world power—the UK then, the US today—and the land giants of Eurasia.

For both Russia and Iran, India is a crucial node in the networks they’re trying to build.
A first 12 million–ton shipment of Russian grain bound for India has already transited Iran, the semiofficial Mehr News Agency reported last month. Trade flows could increase if Iran manages to connect the unfinished and much–delayed Chabahar Port complex on the Indian Ocean—a project that India has invested in—to its long–distance train network. Chabahar has so far been exempt from US sanctions, but it may draw fresh scrutiny from Washington.

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Construction is underway at the port of Chabahar, Iran.

“If any entity is involved in violation of our sanctions with regard to assistance to Russia, or any of the other areas in which Iran has been sanctioned, they too will be subject to sanction,” says Malley, the White House Iran envoy.
That illustrates what’s perhaps the biggest threat to the Russo–Iranian gambit to evade sanctions, according to Bharath Gopalswamy, executive director at District Consultancy LLC, a Washington–based trade adviser.
Success or failure is beyond the control of the two countries themselves. It will hinge on whether other countries, from India to the Middle East—which are all being urged by the US and its allies to comply with sanctions—agree to do so or opt to defy the pressure.
“For such an infrastructure to be built, used and sustained it would need not only the cooperation of both Russia and Iran but also all the other nations that are part of this corridor,” Gopalswamy says. “Any change in geopolitical circumstances, or relations between these countries, will affect the trading corridor’s outcome.”
The oil drilling infrastructure in Iran was built by NTPC from India. India's neutral stance has caused them a lot of heart-ache. If not for Chabahar port Afghanistan would go hungry. 1000 tons of wheat flows into afghanistan from this precious Chabahar port. But like always Pakistan has to butt their heads once it enters Afghanistan as they control all those logistics. Russia here is ignoring the Armenians as they are too caught up in Ukraine. They should just focus on this infrastructure with Iran for the benefit of Iranians and the world at large. The world is not just USA, Europe, Saudi and Israel?
 
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This said, who breaks the news isn't decisive. Had IRIB aired the correct version of events first, their voice would've been drowned by the enemy's gigantic propaganda apparatus anyway. Case in point, material documenting the truth is available for everyone to see, yet more than a handful continue to believe in the propaganda and not simply because fake news were published first.
You underestimate Thu power of being the first to publish a news and having the first version.
It's human psychology people who decided already we'll you can't do anything for them but in society there are many who are not decided and the first version of events they here shape their decision. Islamic Republic apathy in shaping those decision in this incident and its failure in engineering this news and controlling the flow of information is worthy of being taught in universities around the world how not to react in such cases. The problem is they don't learn whenever we have unrest we see such apathy in gontrolling the flow of media. And funny part the government control all official newses. Wonder why they don't let private group for example have TV and radio maybe they do better than this blunder after blunder we already see in this case it take more than week they even tried to tell the correct event that happened. You think in that week how many people made a decision.

The political failure of certain officials, yes, liberals who have a problem with Iran looking East rather than West for trade, business and investment, and have therefore neglected crucial projects like these. Not any more. Principlists are in charge of the administration now.
You see this negligence even in ahmadinejad time so you can't blame it solely on liberals.

Point stands
Point is if ww2 happened a decade latter king Reza stayed in power and the week and not interested king Mohammad Reza were not forced on Iran the shape of that rail road was different. It was just phase 1and even if you look at how it was built at the time you see it was his pet project and he had to make the parliament to assign budget for it at the time no politician in Iran except him was interested in project. Or any project.
From Tabriz to Mashhad, passengers change trains in Tehran. Not big deal. As a matter of fact even in western Europe, direct trains are sometimes unavailable between major cities and people need to get off and onto carriages somewhere along the way.
Problem is not they change train, well it's problem but not a ground shaking one.
The problem is Iran rail road had became all roads end in Tehran. RAJA don't even sell ticket for othur routes directly, you must yourself buy the different section separately. And the problem is there is less train than what is demanded and you can't get ticket for today or probably tomorrow and it's not even travel season. Think how it isbin traveling season.

Moreover direct links can be programmed anytime because the infrastructure is there to allow it. It's a question of planning by railway companies and other entities, not a matter of ground infrastructure.
You see about buses you may be right but planning for rail way is not that simple don't forget two train can never be on the same track (no matter they travel at same direction or opposite direction) so there the problem arises. You add even a single train then you must reschedule all the trains otherwise you'll have problems and delays and complexity and higher rate of accident.

The rational solution to this would simply consist in a bus company offering a service on the direct road between the two cities. It will surely cost less than the u/c railway branch between Shiraz and Yazd.
The direct road between yazd and mashhat is only good for people who love desert and have off road cars. Just think what will happen if a bus with 25 to 40 passengers break in that section of the route. How long it take to send help thele in a road that you can count the cars who pass in it each day by your fingers? And as I said bus are not comfortable for long route
Before twin tracks Iran needs more rolling stock. This goes not just for inter-city but also for urban rail (metros). Though yet again, the expansion of the network itself is a distinct matter.
The expansion of urban network is by monicipally not the railroad company and rolling stock is only good for short road if we want to be trade hub and North South corridor become successful we need double track to increase the transport capacity several folds reduce delays and waiting and increase safety and speed

Generally speaking railways are at a comparative disadvantage in Iran, which tends to limit the demand. Firstly, initial investment is made more expensive by the markedly mountainous topography with desertic landscapes prevailing in the remainder of the territory.
Somebody can argue that it's also the case for roads and freeway Interestingly as they must be build wider than rail roads some one may say the problem is more prominent for them.

Thirdly, fuel being subsidized road travel becomes particularly attractive.
If the infrastructure built then the rails actually become more attractive. It provide a comfort and privacy that no road travel can provide.

domestic flights in Iran are quite cheap and airfields abound, including in smaller and isolated cities, so flying will continue to be a preferred option for many travelers.
They are yes but airplanes are not enough take my example I must be it yasooj next week. Sadly each week there is only two flight there Saturday and Wednesday and its province center the flight ticket is only about 3 time the price of bus and it will be only 1:ō0 min of flying I wanted it but it was useless for me because it's timing is useless and it's as if there is not there the fools first put too little fly and instead of scheduling the flight so it reach there first thing in the morning of Saturday (the first working day of the week) they scheduled it so it reach at evening and useless so now I had to take a ticket in the friday for bus and sit for 9 hours as a bag in uncomfortable sits and the at nights go and spend more money on hotels so I had a resemblance of rest before going for my work. That's the story of transport in Iran.
 
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The oil drilling infrastructure in Iran was built by NTPC from India. India's neutral stance has caused them a lot of heart-ache. If not for Chabahar port Afghanistan would go hungry. 1000 tons of wheat flows into afghanistan from this precious Chabahar port. But like always Pakistan has to butt their heads once it enters Afghanistan as they control all those logistics. Russia here is ignoring the Armenians as they are too caught up in Ukraine. They should just focus on this infrastructure with Iran for the benefit of Iranians and the world at large. The world is not just USA, Europe, Saudi and Israel?
What a pity india moved so utterly abysmally slowly as far as chabahar was concerned,so utterly abysmally slowly in fact that it ended up missing its big opportunity with afghanistan,so I`d be rather surprised if there wasnt some "heart-ache" from the indians over that,....oh well.
Still chabahar,and indias participation in it,may well have been thrown a lifeline by the actualization of the nstc,as after all the years of talk and mous it is finally on the verge of becoming a reality,one of the unintended consequences of the ukraine-russia war.
 
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It's human psychology people who decided already we'll you can't do anything for them but in society there are many who are not decided and the first version of events they here shape their decision.

It matters very little compared to the overall weight and reach of the medium. In fact some wouldn't come to be acquainted with what IRIB reports in the first place, or would dismiss it in favor of foreign-sponsored disinformation.

Islamic Republic apathy in shaping those decision in this incident and its failure in engineering this news and controlling the flow of information is worthy of being taught in universities around the world how not to react in such cases.

Had IRIB published the CCTV footage earlier, it wouldn't have made much of a difference in the big picture.

There are numerous other examples of disinformation by hostile media with regards to recent riots, where IRIB did immediately offer truthful versions of events. The lie spread just as extensively as in Amini's case.

The problem is they don't learn whenever we have unrest we see such apathy in gontrolling the flow of media. And funny part the government control all official newses. Wonder why they don't let private group for example have TV and radio maybe they do better than this blunder after blunder we already see in this case it take more than week they even tried to tell the correct event that happened. You think in that week how many people made a decision.

Private media wouldn't make any difference either. And would probably be controlled by liberals i.e. would try their best to relay the enemy's disinformation indirectly or suggestively.

You see this negligence even in ahmadinejad time so you can't blame it solely on liberals.

As opposed to Ahmadinejad, liberals put every effort into undermining Iran's orientation towards the East. Rohani's insulting behaviour towards Xi during the latter's state visit in the immediate aftermath of the JCPOA's conclusion, and the fact that Iran for several years in a row failed to send an ambassador to Beijing are just the most obvious illustrations.

Whereas liberals are ideologically disposed to neglecting relations with Eastern powers, this is not the case of principlists. Here's a fundamental difference between the two camps.

Point is if ww2 happened a decade latter king Reza stayed in power and the week and not interested king Mohammad Reza were not forced on Iran the shape of that rail road was different. It was just phase 1and even if you look at how it was built at the time you see it was his pet project

History-fiction means nothing much, only actual facts count.

That illiterate ruler definitely didn't micro-manage the railway project, including aspects like the direction of the route.

and he had to make the parliament to assign budget for it at the time no politician in Iran except him was interested in project. Or any project.

They were right. Road development would have made more sense. What's more, the railway put a disproportionate financial burden on Iranians. It was mostly a symbolic project conducted for prestige reasons rather than practicality or economic and technical efficiency.

Problem is not they change train, well it's problem but not a ground shaking one.
The problem is Iran rail road had became all roads end in Tehran. RAJA don't even sell ticket for othur routes directly, you must yourself buy the different section separately.

For sure there are ways to purchase tickets for the entire trip in provincial cities, be it in travel agencies or through other means.

But as said, this is wholly unrelated to the IR's enviable success in expanding the physical railway network, and is fixed rather easily.

And the problem is there is less train than what is demanded and you can't get ticket for today or probably tomorrow and it's not even travel season. Think how it isbin traveling season.

In Iran most trips by train are of the pre-planned type, so scarcity of seats for upcoming days is not a problem. Also this can be addressed by increasing the rolling stock. For the time being, there's no requirement for twin tracks to be on most lines.

You see about buses you may be right but planning for rail way is not that simple don't forget two train can never be on the same track (no matter they travel at same direction or opposite direction) so there the problem arises. You add even a single train then you must reschedule all the trains otherwise you'll have problems and delays and complexity and higher rate of accident.

Single tracks multiply into several at railway stations. There are stops aplenty on Iran's railway lines. Adequate planning may exceed a layman's qualifications, but there are professionals whose bread and butter this is, and it's pretty standard a task, nothing out of the ordinary.

The direct road between yazd and mashhat is only good for people who love desert and have off road cars.

This is what the road looks like at the most desertic stretches:

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In other terms, the equivalent of a three-lane, high quality road. Any automobile can travel on it with ease, including buses.

Just think what will happen if a bus with 25 to 40 passengers break in that section of the route. How long it take to send help thele in a road that you can count the cars who pass in it each day by your fingers? And as I said bus are not comfortable for long route

In fact there's no more than one longer segment that does not pass through an inhabited locality. Namely the one between Robāte Poshte Bādām and Tabas, over a distance of about 100 km. Three other "empty" segments are some 30 to 40 km long, and that's it.

All it takes, therefore, is three or four service and emergency stations to be built. Peanuts compared to the cost of the Shiraz-Yazd railroad link under construction.

However, none of this puts any dent into the IR's formidable achievement in terms of expanding the railway network. Don't bring in off-topic matters like ticket distribution, which has nothing to do with the development of the rail network per se.

The expansion of urban network is by monicipally not the railroad company and rolling stock is only good for short road if we want to be trade hub and North South corridor become successful we need double track to increase the transport capacity several folds reduce delays and waiting and increase safety and speed

Additions to the rolling stock will increase the capacity on every line irregardless of length.

Somebody can argue that it's also the case for roads and freeway Interestingly as they must be build wider than rail roads some one may say the problem is more prominent for them.

Railways are significantly harder to build than roads.

If the infrastructure built then the rails actually become more attractive. It provide a comfort and privacy that no road travel can provide.

Extremely low fuel prices in Iran automatically make road travel economically attractive. Nowhere else is rail facing such a tough competition in this regard.

As for privacy, nothing beats a personal car. When it comes to railways, it might be different in Iran due to lower demand but I've traveled quite often by train across Europe and seldom did I have a compartment to myself.

They are yes but airplanes are not enough take my example I must be it yasooj next week. Sadly each week there is only two flight there Saturday and Wednesday and its province center the flight ticket is only about 3 time the price of bus and it will be only 1:ō0 min of flying I wanted it but it was useless for me because it's timing is useless and it's as if there is not there the fools first put too little fly and instead of scheduling the flight so it reach there first thing in the morning of Saturday (the first working day of the week) they scheduled it so it reach at evening and useless so now I had to take a ticket in the friday for bus and sit for 9 hours as a bag in uncomfortable sits and the at nights go and spend more money on hotels so I had a resemblance of rest before going for my work.

There are fewer flights because demand is meager for a small city of merely 135.000 inhabitants! If they schedule too many flights then empty seats will abound, rendering the whole thing non-economical.

Thank God Iran Air and several other airliners are state-owned, otherwise routes like these would be slashed right away for not being profitable enough.

That's the story of transport in Iran.

It's nothing specific to Iran, where transportation is at a very good level. Do I need to list cities of around 150.000 inhabitants in Europe which lack an airport in the first place, let alone two flight connections per week to the respective capitals? Because there are many of those.
 
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This is what the road looks like at the most desertic stretches:

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In other terms, the equivalent of a three-lane, high quality road. Any automobile can travel on it with ease, including buses.
its a two lane with shoulder road how it become 3 lane and as your photo shows not a soul in it .
the map of road
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the said road is empty , its between two of the harshest desert in the world and nobody use it.
you are welcome find any public transport use it unless its destination is tabas
 
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It matters very little compared to the overall weight and reach of the medium. In fact some wouldn't come to be acquainted with what IRIB reports in the first place, or would dismiss it in favor of foreign-sponsored disinformation.


Had IRIB published the CCTV footage earlier, it wouldn't have made much of a difference in the big picture.

There are numerous other examples of disinformation by hostile media with regards to recent riots, where IRIB did immediately offer truthful versions of events. The lie spread just as extensively as in Amini's case.


Private media wouldn't make any difference either. And would probably be controlled by liberals i.e. would try their best to relay the enemy's disinformation indirectly or suggestively.


As opposed to Ahmadinejad, liberals put every effort into undermining Iran's orientation towards the East. Rohani's insulting behaviour towards Xi during the latter's state visit in the immediate aftermath of the JCPOA's conclusion, and the fact that Iran for several years in a row failed to send an ambassador to Beijing are just the most obvious illustrations.

Whereas liberals are ideologically disposed to neglecting relations with Eastern powers, this is not the case of principlists. Here's a fundamental difference between the two camps.


History-fiction means nothing much, only actual facts count.

That illiterate ruler definitely didn't micro-manage the railway project, including aspects like the direction of the route.


They were right. Road development would have made more sense. What's more, the railway put a disproportionate financial burden on Iranians. It was mostly a symbolic project conducted for prestige reasons rather than practicality or economic and technical efficiency.


For sure there are ways to purchase tickets for the entire trip in provincial cities, be it in travel agencies or through other means.

But as said, this is wholly unrelated to the IR's enviable success in expanding the physical railway network, and is fixed rather easily.


In Iran most trips by train are of the pre-planned type, so scarcity of seats for upcoming days is not a problem. Also this can be addressed by increasing the rolling stock. For the time being, there's no requirement for twin tracks to be on most lines.


Single tracks multiply into several at railway stations. There are stops aplenty on Iran's railway lines. Adequate planning may exceed a layman's qualifications, but there are professionals whose bread and butter this is, and it's pretty standard a task, nothing out of the ordinary.
your usual answer about Islamic republics is fantastic there is no error with it , liberal are Satan incarnation on the earth , there is no way Islamic republic could do better
Additions to the rolling stock will increase the capacity on every line irregardless of length.
the capacity will; increase , the quality of service no
Railways are significantly harder to build than roads.
a free way depend on terrain can be harder , it all come back if there is enough space or not , if you want to build a tunnel , its a lot easier to build it for trains than build it for a freeway for example
As for privacy, nothing beats a personal car. When it comes to railways, it might be different in Iran due to lower demand but I've traveled quite often by train across Europe and seldom did I have a compartment to myself.
so all your argument come to personal car that a worker must work for 10 years , and save all its income to buy one . in that 10 year he must not eat anything , the compartment is 4-6 seat , a family easily can occupy that or of a sit remain empty buy it.
There are fewer flights because demand is meager for a small city of merely 135.000 inhabitants! If they schedule too many flights then empty seats will abound, rendering the whole thing non-economical.
excuses , its province center and more importantly i point the timing of the flight is so that if anyone that use it will loose the first day of the week so , no its not feasible for business use
Thank God Iran Air and several other airliners are state-owned, otherwise routes like these would be slashed right away for not being profitable enough.
Iran air is not even bothered with the line , no its a line that Mahan air which incidentally is private airline only provide service for this so called small cities.
 
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its a two lane with shoulder road how it become 3 lane

I never claimed it actually is a three lane road. Moreover, shoulders can be opened up to through traffic. As a matter of fact when they are, it's most often buses which come to benefit from it.

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the said road is empty ,

This map obviously doesn't show every settlement. What I did was to provide a precise overview of all "empty" stretches on the road after looking at satellite images.

and nobody use it.

Their problem. It's a perfectly usable, high quality road.

you are welcome find any public transport use it unless its destination is tabas

Doesn't mean they couldn't.

the capacity will; increase , the quality of service no

Changing the subject right here. Bottom line: twin tracks aren't indispensable to increasing the frequency of train services. QED. Thus, any nagging in this regard is baseless.

a free way depend on terrain can be harder , it all come back if there is enough space or not , if you want to build a tunnel , its a lot easier to build it for trains than build it for a freeway for example

Railways are harder to build than roads, and this goes for Iran's mountainous terrain as well.

so all your argument come to personal car that a worker must work for 10 years , and save all its income to buy one . in that 10 year he must not eat anything , the compartment is 4-6 seat , a family easily can occupy that or of a sit remain empty buy it.

No it doesn't. My overarching argument is that privacy isn't essential to travel. You're complaining about the privacy and comfort of pilgrims headed to Mashhad, seriously? Pious Moslems travel to Karbala by foot on Arba'in, luxury is not and should never be part of a pilgrimage, let alone a priority.

Unless of course one is speaking from a materialistic and capitalist point of view, the same mindset which has so negatively affected pilgrimage sites at the holy city of Mecca.

As for train compartments, not everyone travels with their family, and a family traveling together will not systematically consist of four to six people. In other words, assuming levels of demand comparable to western Europe, most of the time one will not have a train compartment to oneself.

excuses ,

No, only hard hitting facts difficult to digest for the anti-IR crowd.

its province center

It's a town of 135.000 inhabitants with little demographic, economic, political or administrative weight at the national scale.

Population-wise, Yasuj ranks freaking 73rd among Iranian cities.

and more importantly i point the timing of the flight is so that if anyone that use it will loose the first day of the week so , no its not feasible for business use

So in your attempt to call into question the Islamic Republic's undeniable, eye-catching success in expanding national infrastructures, the timing of two domestic flights - not exactly the most relevant ones at that - is the best you could come up with? Sorry to say, but that's hilarious.

Oh, and did I mention how under the ousted monarchy, pro-western and pro-zionist as it was (a common trait of Iranian liberals and ultra-nationalists), Yasuj wasn't blessed with any airport at all? This too was gifted to the people by our beloved Islamic Republic.

Iran air is not even bothered with the line , no its a line that Mahan air which incidentally is private airline

Iran Aseman, a public airliner at Yasuj:

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only provide service for this so called small cities.

Nope. Mahan are serving some 13 cities of less than 500.000 inhabitants, Iran Aseman around 26 of them.

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In conclusion, please quit shedding crocodile tears about off-topic trivialities and side-aspects here. The IR has done a mightily praiseworthy job in the infrastructural department, far better than the Pahlavi regime and significantly better than other developing countries on average, despite huge odds (sanctions, imposed war, constant destabilization attempts by superpowers etc). A truth which the honest and well informed simply can't deny.
 
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I never claimed it actually is a three lane road. Moreover, shoulders can be opened up to through traffic. As a matter of fact when they are, it's most often buses which come to benefit from it.

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you are aware that's against the law to drive in the shoulder ?and as you may not see it from the still photo , the bus probably parked there
This map obviously doesn't show every settlement. What I did was to provide a precise overview of all "empty" stretches on the road after looking at satellite images.
the fact that several year after it was built nobody uses it while it shorten the time to half , talk a lot

Their problem. It's a perfectly usable, high quality road.
first the road is serviceable but by no measure you can call it high quality , and no the services in that road are terrible.

Doesn't mean they couldn't.
they can but using it mean loosing costumers , now tell me why they must do that ?
Changing the subject right here. Bottom line: twin tracks aren't indispensable to increasing the frequency of train services. QED. Thus, any nagging in this regard is baseless.
they are , when a train come to station they must check if another train is in the line or no , if there is another train in the line they can't enter the line and must wait until that train leave it , it result in delays if there was two line then these delays reduced dramatically . the situation for cargo train is worse as always the priority go to passenger train , so they must wait a lot more and that is what reduce the capacity of north south corridor if it be 1 rail route in some places
Railways are harder to build than roads, and this goes for Iran's mountainous terrain as well.
no railways are narrower than roads and when you had to dig tunnels and cut mountains that will talk a lot , railways are more expensive to build because of the rails , but it is not mean its harder to find suitable path for them to lay those rails
No it doesn't. My overarching argument is that privacy isn't essential to travel. You're complaining about the privacy and comfort of pilgrims headed to Mashhad, seriously? Pious Moslems travel to Karbala by foot on Arba'in, luxury is not and should never be part of a pilgrimage, let alone a priority.
remove the stations that provide services to piligrims (موکب ها) and then ask the pious to walk to karbala , wonder why they do it only in Iraq but not in Iran part of the route

Unless of course one is speaking from a materialistic and capitalist point of view, the same mindset which has so negatively affected pilgrimage sites at the holy city of Mecca.
برو موکب های مسیر کربلا را بردار بعد با هم در این زمینه صحبت میکنیم
Iran Aseman, a public airliner at Yasuj:

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Nope. Mahan are serving some 13 cities of less than 500.000 inhabitants, Iran Aseman around 26 of them.

mh.jpg


Iran_Aseman_Airlines.jpg


In conclusion, please quit shedding crocodile tears about off-topic trivialities and side-aspects here. The IR has done a mightily praiseworthy job in the infrastructural department, far better than the Pahlavi regime and significantly better than other developing countries on average, despite huge odds (sanctions, imposed war, constant destabilization attempts by superpowers etc). A truth which the honest and well informed simply can't deny.
Right now from Aseman Airline sites

go check it and then we can talk about being honest and not being honest and no your info is completely wrong and outdated while both are private well in case of Aseman sort of . Mahan provisde service to a lot more cities and their services are usually better
 
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you are aware that's against the law to drive in the shoulder ?and as you may not see it from the still photo , the bus probably parked there

I stated it can be turned into an option for buses, and rightly so. All it would take is an administrative decision. What actually matters however, is that the physical infrastructure has been constructed. This is the yardstick by which success is gauged, not these trivialities you're offering.

Also, there's no proof that we're seeing in the picture is a shoulder. There's a road with the width of three lanes, one lane being twice as wide as the other, and that's it.

the fact that several year after it was built nobody uses it while it shorten the time to half , talk a lot

Prove nobody's using it. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Either transport companies are failing to offer direct connections on certain routes even though the infrastructure for it is there, or not. If so - and even that is an unverified claim, then the same will apply to the Yazd-Tabas road: it'd squarely be on bus companies for offering too few connections. Not on the institutions responsible for road construction, which aren't be blamed at all.

first the road is serviceable but by no measure you can call it high quality , and no the services in that road are terrible.

I will call of excellent quality, and readily available pictures offer a glimpse into this fact. Services are the easiest challenge and can be added in no time. Again this is wasting bandwith and server space to throw in an irrelevant, hilarious side aspect in vain hopes of calling into question huge achievements recorded by the Islamic Republic.

they can but using it mean loosing costumers

That's a figment of your imagination.

when a train come to station they must check if another train is in the line or no , if there is another train in the line they can't enter the line and must wait until that train leave it ,

Dual tracks are not necessary at all. To repeat, at virtually every station tracks multiply from one into several. Meaning that when a train enters, it can bypass another train riding in the opposing direction.

it result in delays if there was two line then these delays reduced dramatically .

There will be no significant delay considering the length of connections in Islamic Iran and the number of stations along existing routes.

the situation for cargo train is worse as always the priority go to passenger train , so they must wait a lot more and that is what reduce the capacity of north south corridor if it be 1 rail route in some places

In the cargo department too, existing tracks are still far from having reached their maximum capacity with no significant delays caused.

no railways are narrower than roads and when you had to dig tunnels and cut mountains that will talk a lot , railways are more expensive to build because of the rails , but it is not mean its harder to find suitable path for them to lay those rails

Railways are harder to build than roads, that's an established and undeniable engineering fact.

remove the stations that provide services to piligrims (موکب ها) and then ask the pious to walk to karbala , wonder why they do it only in Iraq but not in Iran part of the route

Don't be comical. It changes nothing to the fact that travel by foot will always be incomparably less comfortable than travel by any type of vehicle.

برو موکب های مسیر کربلا را بردار بعد با هم در این زمینه صحبت میکنیم

Comparing the rudimentary relay stations manned by ordinary people on a voluntary basis in Karbala, to the luxurious amenities and dubious architecture of giant edifices built over recent decades in Mecca including in the direct vicinity of the Ka'ba, is out of touch with reality.

Right now from Aseman Airline sites

go check it and then we can talk about being honest and not being honest and no your info is completely wrong and outdated while both are private well in case of Aseman sort of . Mahan provisde service to a lot more cities and their services are usually better

That link's faulty: it lists two airports in Costa Rica among the destinations served by Iran Aseman, which is obviously nonsensical. But even so, I'm counting 18 cities of less than 500.000 inhabitants in there, which is more than Mahan. At this point, you're thus publishing outright disinformation.

In summary, these sort of objections have no leg to stand on. There's no point grasping at straws and splitting hair in order to deny the undeniable, documented as it is by massive amounts of verifiable data: namely, that the Islamic Republic has done a tremendous job at developing infrastructures in Iran. A task it has been far more successful at than the ousted, western- and zionist-subservient monarchy, which no amount of desperate whitewashing will manage to rehabilitate. And, the IR has been more successful in this field than most if not all of Iran's regional neighbors.

I'll leave the following summary for everyone to draw their conclusions.

Fact is that under the Islamic Republic, roads were constructed at an above average rate in global comparison. The national railway network has been expanded at around twice the speed compared to the Pahlavi regime. Airports have mushroomed across Iran like mad, equipping even a number of small provincial towns with less than 150.000 inhabitants. This comes despite an extreme sanctions regime, difficulty of access to foreign investment and imported technology, eight years of all-out imposed war and aggression backed by two superpowers, as well as continuous vehement security challenges.

Now, what type of contentions is the quoted user coming up with? Things like, 'why is there no flight on the two weekly holidays from Tehran to the 73rd city of Iran in terms of population'? This is what the user is trying to pass off as evidence for "poor" performance on the Islamic Republic's part. It's more than evident how preposterous and funny such rants are.
 
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I stated it can be turned into an option for buses, and rightly so. All it would take is an administrative decision. What actually matters however, is that the physical infrastructure has been constructed. This is the yardstick by which success is gauged, not these trivialities you're offering.

Also, there's no proof that we're seeing in the picture is a shoulder. There's a road with the width of three lanes, one lane being twice as wide as the other, and that's it.
a decision that would be an epic mistake as its shown that driving in the shoulder actually worsen the trafic , its there for emergencies not actual driving
you want proof its a shoulder , its your proof
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don't believe me come and go see your fantastic high quality road .
not the free way part which is not opened yet but the road which is actually open
Prove nobody's using it. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Either transport companies are failing to offer direct connections on certain routes even though the infrastructure for it is there, or not. If so - and even that is an unverified claim, then the same will apply to the Yazd-Tabas road: it'd squarely be on bus companies for offering too few connections. Not on the institutions responsible for road construction, which aren't be blamed at all.
the infrastructure is not a road only and my photo and yours show , the quality of the road is shit , the services are shit . everything about it scream don't use me
I will call of excellent quality, and readily available pictures offer a glimpse into this fact. Services are the easiest challenge and can be added in no time. Again this is wasting bandwith and server space to throw in an irrelevant, hilarious side aspect in vain hopes of calling into question huge achievements recorded by the Islamic Republic.
high quality indeed
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see how they didn't bother flatten it and it seems a drunk put the lines on it
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That's a figment of your imagination.
not using it and only being used for transporting cargo is enough for me
Dual tracks are not necessary at all. To repeat, at virtually every station tracks multiply from one into several. Meaning that when a train enters, it can bypass another train riding in the opposing direction.
meaning train must wait in station for train that come to empty the rail and that is wasting time .
There will be no significant delay considering the length of connections in Islamic Iran and the number of stations along existing routes.
half an hour to 1-2 hour depend on the situation as I said the priority is by passenger train and cargo train must wait until there is no passenger train .
In the cargo department too, existing tracks are still far from having reached their maximum capacity with no significant delays caused.
say the person that don't use it.
Railways are harder to build than roads, that's an established and undeniable engineering fact.
railways are narrower than roads at least half the width maybe less if its two lane road , building tunnel and cutting mountain for them is harder and that's also stablished engineering fact
Don't be comical. It changes nothing to the fact that travel by foot will always be incomparably less comfortable than travel by any type of vehicle.
here you are comical , why they don't travel by foot outside the arbaeen when there is no such services ?
you are comical suggestion is you compare a 100km route that they provide free service for you each 1 or less kilometer of the route by a 1400km route that there is no service at all . now somebody must tell who is comical me or you
Comparing the rudimentary relay stations manned by ordinary people on a voluntary basis in Karbala, to the luxurious amenities and dubious architecture of giant edifices built over recent decades in Mecca including in the direct vicinity of the Ka'ba, is out of touch with reality.
who talk about mecca we were talking about Iran and I answered you comparing those are as absurd even more than comparing them with Mecca
That link's faulty: it lists two airports in Costa Rica among the destinations served by Iran Aseman, which is obviously nonsensical. But even so, I'm counting 18 cities of less than 500.000 inhabitants in there, which is more than Mahan. At this point, you're thus publishing outright disinformation.
don't change the fact that Aseman is also considred private (but in iranian manner of private). the link is Aseman website and probably is more accurate than your data , and if you looked when you choose one those two airport there is only flight to the other one not the airports in Iran and incidentally UGT is in Mongolia not Costa Rica . if its right or wrong then that is aseman airline problem not mine
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In summary, these sort of objections have no leg to stand on. There's no point grasping at straws and splitting hair in order to deny the undeniable, documented as it is by massive amounts of verifiable data: namely, that the Islamic Republic has done a tremendous job at developing infrastructures in Iran. A task it has been far more successful at than the ousted, western- and zionist-subservient monarchy, which no amount of desperate whitewashing will manage to rehabilitate. And, the IR has been more successful in this field than most if not all of Iran's regional neighbors.
only someone who is not here say a tremendous job
Fact is that under the Islamic Republic, roads were constructed at an above average rate in global comparison. The national railway network has been expanded at around twice the speed compared to the Pahlavi regime.
here you didn't considered the technological advancement , in those years and the fact that right now putting the rail is a mechanized process , then worker carried the rails by hands and install them by hand , then they dig tunnels with hand , right now there is tunnel boring equipment .
also you forget before 50s iran was actually a very poor country , which is not the case right now .
Airports have mushroomed across Iran like mad, equipping even a number of small provincial towns with less than 150.000 inhabitants.
that have only one or two flight per week that is at not suitable times and also the aircrafts are old while Iran Air was one of the safest and top class air line in the world at the time , right now iran air lines are at the end of the list.
This comes despite an extreme sanctions regime, difficulty of access to foreign investment and imported technology, eight years of all-out imposed war and aggression backed by two superpowers, as well as continuous vehement security challenges.
as i recall till trump many foreign companies worked in Iran
Now, what type of contentions is the quoted user coming up with? Things like, 'why is there no flight on the two weekly holidays from Tehran to the 73rd city of Iran in terms of population'? This is what the user is trying to pass off as evidence for "poor" performance on the Islamic Republic's part. It's more than evident how preposterous and funny such rants are.
that's all you come up with from the argument ? that's very interesting , the problem is not why there is no two flight the mentioned part of the argument was why like the rest of management decision they did that also wrong , why the flight is not 6am instead of 11:30 so it be useful for business so it wont fly half empty , and people who go there for business be able to use it and don't waste 24 hours of their time spend 12 hours in buses from previous day . this decision resulted in that flight always be half empty and people waste 24 hours of time . that's how management business are there .

now be honest and recap the next 95% of the discussion that were about Iran transport infrastructure
 
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a decision that would be an epic mistake as its shown that driving in the shoulder actually worsen the trafic , its there for emergencies not actual driving

If reserved for a special type of vehicle it won't worsen anything, but will lead to improvements.

you want proof its a shoulder , its your proof
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I see a road three lanes wide. Actually this picture shows my intuition was accurate, since it's depicting three vehicles side by side.

don't believe me come and go see your fantastic high quality road .
not the free way part which is not opened yet but the road which is actually open

That's not an argument. Road's excellent and presents no obstacles to passenger traffic.

my photo and yours show , the quality of the road is shit , the services are shit .

No they don't show such a thing.


Animal crossings can happen anywhere. Has nothing to do with the quality of the road. And the probability in this case is so low that it won't deter people from taking the road.

see how they didn't bother flatten it and it seems a drunk put the lines on it

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Doesn't look to be the same road, width is obviously different so are the markings. Moreover, reverse search points to the following webpage - although picture's missing from it, it's titled:

کوه های رنگی جاده راور به طبس

https://beinabein.com/جاده-راور-به-طبس/

Ravar happens to be in Kerman province. Thus it'd be a different road.

not using it and only being used for transporting cargo is enough for me

Buses do travel on that road.

meaning train must wait in station for train that come to empty the rail and that is wasting time .

It's thoroughly negligible if planned properly, considering the length of lines and abundance of stations. We're talking few minutes over a total travel time of over tens of hours.

half an hour to 1-2 hour depend on the situation as I said the priority is by passenger train and cargo train must wait until there is no passenger train

30 minutes to an hour of delay, for an overall travel time of close to 40 hours. Yeah, that's going to ruin Iran's ability to act as a transit route, sure. I'm going to call the Indians and the Russians, and educate about the colossal mistake they've made to opt for Iran as a transit corridor.

say the person that don't use it.

Empty rhetoric.

railways are narrower than roads at least half the width maybe less if its two lane road , building tunnel and cutting mountain for them is harder and that's also stablished engineering fact

Railways are harder to construct than roads, it's an established engineering fact.

here you are comical , why they don't travel by foot outside the arbaeen when there is no such services ?
you are comical suggestion is you compare a 100km route that they provide free service for you each 1 or less kilometer of the route by a 1400km route that there is no service at all . now somebody must tell who is comical me or you

Nope, the suggestion you made that traveling hundreds of kilometers on foot is more comfortable than doing so aboard a vehicle, is worthy of a jester. No matter how you'll twist it thenceforth, you dug yourself into a hole with that assertion.

who talk about mecca we were talking about Iran and I answered you comparing those are as absurd even more than comparing them with Mecca

I can sense persistent reading issues.

Moreover, the only absurdity here is the insinuation of yours that long range travel on foot is more comfortable than on a vehicle. No amount of damage control is going to make up for that.

don't change the fact that Aseman is also considred private (but in iranian manner of private).

Oh really? In that case you just performed another own goal. Because all it would demonstrate, is how privatization led to a decrease of minor destinations served - from the supposedly older route map I posted, which featured at least 26 of them, down to 18 if the current information on their website is to be believed.

the link is Aseman website and probably is more accurate than your data ,

The map was taken from Aseman's website too.

and if you looked when you choose one those two airport there is only flight to the other one not the airports in Iran and incidentally UGT is in Mongolia not Costa Rica . if its right or wrong then that is aseman airline problem not mine
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It proves there are mistakes in the information provided by that particular page, compromising its trustworthiness as a source.

only someone who is not here say a tremendous job

Any honest person capable of comparing documented facts will reach that very conclusion.

here you didn't considered the technological advancement , in those years and the fact that right now putting the rail is a mechanized process , then worker carried the rails by hands and install them by hand , then they dig tunnels with hand , right now there is tunnel boring equipment .
also you forget before 50s iran was actually a very poor country , which is not the case right now .

Excuse after excuse for the pro-zionist and western-subservient monarchy. What the above means in essence, is that with a greater workforce, similar rates of progress could have been achieved, in addition to job creation.

Also 1950 to 1979 is almost forty years, i.e. roughly equivalent to the time elapsed since the victory of the Islamic Revolution.

that have only one or two flight per week that is at not suitable times

That's naturally what a third tier destination of 135.000 inhabitants, ranking 73rd among Iranian cities, is going to get in terms of flight connections. Anything beyond would be abnormal and your complaining in this regard is both out of touch with reality and amusing.

and also the aircrafts are old while Iran Air was one of the safest and top class air line in the world at the time , right now iran air lines are at the end of the list.

...while hardly anyone in Iran could afford an airplane ticket. Whilst now, flights are accessible to an unprecedented proportion of the Iranian people, many times more than the privileged few who had access to these prior to the Islamic Revolution.

as i recall till trump many foreign companies worked in Iran

As I recall Iran has always had difficulties accessing technology and investment, and has always been subjected to draconian sanctions since the victory of the Islamic Revolution.

that's very interesting , the problem is not why there is no two flight the mentioned part of the argument was why like the rest of management decision they did that also wrong , why the flight is not 6am instead of 11:30 so it be useful for business so it wont fly half empty , and people who go there for business be able to use it and don't waste 24 hours of their time spend 12 hours in buses from previous day . this decision resulted in that flight always be half empty and people waste 24 hours of time . that's how management business are there .

Apart from the fact that this has nothing to do with the subject under discussion i.e. expansion of the national infrastructure - which makes this tired rant nothing but a strawman argument, it's obviously a question of how flights are scheduled with a given fleet nature and size, considering demand and priorities. In light of this, there's no management mistake here.

now be honest and recap the next 95% of the discussion that were about Iran transport infrastructure

Bottom line is, nothing of what you can produce will manage to put a dent into the Islamic Republic's astonishing performance in developing Iran's infrastructures. Cope.
 
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I see a road three lanes wide. Actually this picture shows my intuition was accurate, since it's depicting three vehicles side by side.
Well I suggest look again what happen here is in a two lane road a lorry made an illegal and wreckless overtake and the car that come from front for preventing accident hastily go to shoulder and half the car is in shoulder and half outside road. That is what you meant.? Was that your acuratu intubation.
That's not an argument. Road's excellent and presents no obstacles to passenger traffic.
Only If your understanding of excellent road is as your understanding of situation in previous picture.

Animal crossings can happen anywhere. Has nothing to do with the quality of the road. And the probability in this case is so low that it won't deter people from taking the road.
Don't look at the camels who care about them leek at the quality of the asphalt. Wonder why in photos you don't see what is important and go and focus on useless details.

It's thoroughly negligible if planned properly, considering the length of lines and abundance of stations. We're talking few minutes over a total travel time of over tens of hours.
Sadly it's not the case at all. You can see the difference in Tehran mashad rail road which is a two lane one with the rest but as you are not in Iran and don't use them you just argue for the sake of arguing.

30 minutes to an hour of delay, for an overall travel time of close to 40 hours. Yeah, that's going to ruin Iran's ability to act as a transit route, sure. I'm going to call the Indians and the Russians, and educate about the colossal mistake they've made to opt for Iran as a transit corridor.
Sadly not the overall but the section.
Railways are harder to construct than roads, it's an established engineering fact.
And I said why in some situation roads will be harder.
Nope, the suggestion you made that traveling hundreds of kilometers on foot is more comfortable than doing so aboard a vehicle, is worthy of a jester. No matter how you'll twist it thenceforth, you dug yourself into a hole with that assertion.
And please go and count the number of people who do it outside arbaeen. You made a comical suggestion and I pointed to you how comical it is and you now try to change the discussion.

I can sense persistent reading issues.

Moreover, the only absurdity here is the insinuation of yours that long range travel on foot is more comfortable than on a vehicle. No amount of damage control is going to make up for that.
It seems reading problem is on your side as you suggested that not me and I only show how comical your suggestion is.

The map was taken from Aseman's website too.
Then they are lying, aseman only have 20 old aircraft and I dare you find ticket for half the cities on that map and provide the link here.

It proves there are mistakes in the information provided by that particular page, compromising its trustworthiness as a source
That page is aseman official website and what you exactly arguing here aseman is also somehow private airline
Are you again arguing for the sake of arguing?

Oh really? In that case you just performed another own goal. Because all it would demonstrate, is how privatization led to a decrease of minor destinations served - from the supposedly older route map I posted, which featured at least 26 of them, down to 18 if the current information on their website is to be believed.
Sadly for you I like you to show me how Iran Air our not so private airline provide service to these small towns
And then we talk about what is own goal.
By the way these airlines were private from start, no privatization happened here.


Excuse after excuse for the pro-zionist and western-subservient monarchy. What the above means in essence, is that with a greater workforce, similar rates of progress could have been achieved, in addition to job creation.
If these days small facts and details called that.

Also 1950 to 1979 is almost forty years, i.e. roughly equivalent to the time elapsed since the victory of the Islamic Revolution.
In fact that's 1351 to 1357
If you want Christian date that is 1972


That's naturally what a third tier destination of 135.000 inhabitants, ranking 73rd among Iranian cities, is going to get in terms of flight connections. Anything beyond would be abnormal and your complaining in this regard is both out of touch with reality and amusing.
And let me tell you why those cities get those airfields it was not like it was out of good heart of government. It was army who wanted them. You recall there was an argument how to protect our airforce asset in case of war and how to make them operational during war. Well here come the not so useful suggestion of building 4-5 underground bases well army choose the more logical solution of having 90+ airfield and building more. That's why those cities have airport to begin with.

while hardly anyone in Iran could afford an airplane ticket. Whilst now, flights are accessible to an unprecedented proportion of the Iranian people, many times more than the privileged few who had access to these prior to the Islamic Revolution.
And prebamly way way way less capable of buying cars.
I was talking about businesses

As I recall Iran has always had difficulties accessing technology and investment, and has always been subjected to draconian sanctions since the victory of the Islamic Revolution.
As I recall there is different level of hardship

Bottom line is, nothing of what you can produce will manage to put a dent into the Islamic Republic's astonishing performance in developing Iran's infrastructures. Cope.
For you who is on mission to justify the shortcomings maybe
 
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China launches direct shipping line to Iran’s Chabahar port​

  1. Economy
January 1, 2023 - 11:45


TEHRAN - The first container ship departing from China docked at Iran’s key port of Chabahar on Saturday, marking the establishment of the first direct shipping line between China and Iran's southeastern seaport.

As predicted Chabahar port will be busy:p:
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