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i m badly w8ing for my pakistani friends to comment on dis.........
Block II Supersonic BrahMos missile successfully test fired second time.
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Sir,i heard from a source dat da actual range of da brahmos is higher dan 290km........which was intentionally announced, shortened, to do away with da treaty things n all and da unwanted global attention............any comments. Thnx
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This is the 23rd test of BrahMos. This is third test for block II of BrahMos.
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How a tenacious technocrat put the supersonic BrahMos back on track
New Delhi, April 3: India can stake claim to be among the first in the world to be ready with a supersonic land-attack cruise missile because of the tenacity of an unheralded Missile Man whose pet project was almost written off for aiming too high.
Sivathanu Pillai, a technocrat whose bald pate is not covered by berets, whose chest is bereft of medals and shoulders of epaulettes, dared the Indian Army by claiming he would arm its artillery divisions with a missile the world had not seen.
The army is led by an artillery officer, General Deepak Kapoor, who wanted to see this wonder weapon himself.
So he led a team to the Pokharan desert range on January 20. The general witnessed the dismal failure of the BrahMos Mark II personally.
Yet, in the space of just over two months, Pillai produced a missile — a supersonic cruise missile for the army — through three rapid-fire tests that left the generals gasping for its uniqueness, for its speed and for Pillai’s sheer grit.
Pillai has made the BrahMos Land Attack Cruise Missile Mark II real despite opposition from the Indian Army that kept upping its demands and reducing the size of the targets in the tests.
The first target was the size of a factory, the second, also a factory the size of a large building and the third, a small building in a simulated urban cluster. The missile was tasked to hit the factory in the first two tests. In the third test, it was to discriminate, select and choose its target before destroying it.
Pillai’s BrahMos missed the first. The mission was aborted after the missile went off-target mid-course despite a successful launch on January 20 when the army chief was witness.
After the second test, on March 4, seen by deputy army chief Lt Gen M.S. Dadwal, Pillai said it was a success but the army said it was “evaluating and analysing” the results even three days after the test.
“The missile was in the target area all right,” Gen Kapoor said of the test. “But there has been one failure (on January 20) so we need confirmation and there are some technical issues.”
Then on March 29 — just last week — Pillai requested the army to send a team to witness another test. The director general of military operations, Lt Gen A.S. Sekhon, led a team.
This time, the army put up just a sheet as a target with reflectors on two sides to deflect the missile from its trajectory.
Pillai’s BrahMos hit bull’s eye. Without waiting for official word from the army this time, Pillai went public, proclaiming its success.
“In 15 minutes flat,” he put it simply in his chamber inside the headquarters of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in an interview to The Telegraph, “your enemy country can be destroyed and you do not even have to go nuclear.”
Pillai is the chief executive officer and the head of the Indo-Russian BrahMos, an acronym from the Brahmaputra and Moskva rivers. He is also the chief controller for armaments, land and naval systems in the DRDO.
“In the Iraq war, the US launched 1,000 Tomahawks in half a day,” he recalled. “You have to think on that scale. And the BrahMos is supersonic. It cannot be intercepted. Even we cannot do anything to it, once we launch it. Fire and forget. You think of the missile in hundreds, thousands, like you think of many, many arrows being fired from a quiver,” he said.
Two other known supersonic land-attack cruise missiles under development are the Fasthawk, made by Boeing in the US, and the French ANS. China also has a supersonic missile programme.
The BrahMos is ready.
Then why did the Indian Army open itself to suggestions that it was not keen on the project? Clear-cut answers won’t be available to such questions. But the army has been seeing demonstrations of missiles by Raytheon Corporation. A section of the army’s artillery officers has been impressed by it.
A piece of history that DRDO’s scientists are familiar with was in danger of being repeated: was another indigenous, rather, a semi-indigenous military programme going to be sacrificed in the interest of imports? And to the benefit of middlemen who would earn fat commissions? All in the name of national security? And national interest?
But this week — soon after Pillai’s third test — the vice-chief of army staff, Lt Gen Noble Thamburaj, announced at a seminar: “The BrahMos Mark II is ready for induction. The missile’s accuracy, lethality and range have made it a deadly combination.”
The army is now ready to raise two regiments of the BrahMos Mark II.
New Delhi, April 3: India can stake claim to be among the first in the world to be ready with a supersonic land-attack cruise missile because of the tenacity of an unheralded Missile Man whose pet project was almost written off for aiming too high.
Sivathanu Pillai, a technocrat whose bald pate is not covered by berets, whose chest is bereft of medals and shoulders of epaulettes, dared the Indian Army by claiming he would arm its artillery divisions with a missile the world had not seen.
The army is led by an artillery officer, General Deepak Kapoor, who wanted to see this wonder weapon himself.
So he led a team to the Pokharan desert range on January 20. The general witnessed the dismal failure of the BrahMos Mark II personally.
Yet, in the space of just over two months, Pillai produced a missile — a supersonic cruise missile for the army — through three rapid-fire tests that left the generals gasping for its uniqueness, for its speed and for Pillai’s sheer grit.
Pillai has made the BrahMos Land Attack Cruise Missile Mark II real despite opposition from the Indian Army that kept upping its demands and reducing the size of the targets in the tests.
The first target was the size of a factory, the second, also a factory the size of a large building and the third, a small building in a simulated urban cluster. The missile was tasked to hit the factory in the first two tests. In the third test, it was to discriminate, select and choose its target before destroying it.
Pillai’s BrahMos missed the first. The mission was aborted after the missile went off-target mid-course despite a successful launch on January 20 when the army chief was witness.
After the second test, on March 4, seen by deputy army chief Lt Gen M.S. Dadwal, Pillai said it was a success but the army said it was “evaluating and analysing” the results even three days after the test.
“The missile was in the target area all right,” Gen Kapoor said of the test. “But there has been one failure (on January 20) so we need confirmation and there are some technical issues.”
Then on March 29 — just last week — Pillai requested the army to send a team to witness another test. The director general of military operations, Lt Gen A.S. Sekhon, led a team.
This time, the army put up just a sheet as a target with reflectors on two sides to deflect the missile from its trajectory.
Pillai’s BrahMos hit bull’s eye. Without waiting for official word from the army this time, Pillai went public, proclaiming its success.
“In 15 minutes flat,” he put it simply in his chamber inside the headquarters of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in an interview to The Telegraph, “your enemy country can be destroyed and you do not even have to go nuclear.”
Pillai is the chief executive officer and the head of the Indo-Russian BrahMos, an acronym from the Brahmaputra and Moskva rivers. He is also the chief controller for armaments, land and naval systems in the DRDO.
“In the Iraq war, the US launched 1,000 Tomahawks in half a day,” he recalled. “You have to think on that scale. And the BrahMos is supersonic. It cannot be intercepted. Even we cannot do anything to it, once we launch it. Fire and forget. You think of the missile in hundreds, thousands, like you think of many, many arrows being fired from a quiver,” he said.
Two other known supersonic land-attack cruise missiles under development are the Fasthawk, made by Boeing in the US, and the French ANS. China also has a supersonic missile programme.
The BrahMos is ready.
Then why did the Indian Army open itself to suggestions that it was not keen on the project? Clear-cut answers won’t be available to such questions. But the army has been seeing demonstrations of missiles by Raytheon Corporation. A section of the army’s artillery officers has been impressed by it.
A piece of history that DRDO’s scientists are familiar with was in danger of being repeated: was another indigenous, rather, a semi-indigenous military programme going to be sacrificed in the interest of imports? And to the benefit of middlemen who would earn fat commissions? All in the name of national security? And national interest?
But this week — soon after Pillai’s third test — the vice-chief of army staff, Lt Gen Noble Thamburaj, announced at a seminar: “The BrahMos Mark II is ready for induction. The missile’s accuracy, lethality and range have made it a deadly combination.”
The army is now ready to raise two regiments of the BrahMos Mark II.
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Army on board, navy at sea
New Delhi, April 4: Missile Man Sivathanu Pillai’s successful rapid-fire demonstrations of the BrahMos have scuttled a move in the army to import the Tomahawk or its clones and it is now set to order 260 of the home-grown weapons system.
A missile race is currently intensifying in South Asia — though both India and Pakistan deny it — and the militaries of both countries are trying to outdo each other in the acquisition of ordnance delivery systems.
India’s army chief, General Deepak Kapoor, is now in France. French firm MBDA is a supplier of different categories of missiles to India’s army, navy and air force.
Although the Indian Army has finally been awed by Pillai’s Mark II version of the BrahMos, the Indian Navy has been overtaken by the pace of the technology that Pillai’s outfit has set. It cannot spare a single one from its ageing fleet of submarines for BrahMos to test the underwater version of the missile.
The army has raised one regiment (numbered 861) of the BrahMos Mark I that has an inferior quality of seeker or homing device. Now two separate missile regiments of the BrahMos Mark II, which has a seeker that can discriminate and zero in on a small target in an urban clutter, will be raised and are likely to be numbered 862 and 863.
The BrahMos cruise missile regiments follow the raisings of the 333, 444 and 555 Prithvi and Agni II ballistic missile regiments. Each of the two new BrahMos cruise missile regiments would have between four and six batteries of three to four Mobile Autonomous Launchers that can be connected to a general mobile command post.
Pillai is now negotiating the order for the BrahMos Mark II with the army that could total between Rs 8,000 and Rs 10,000 crore. The deliveries of the missiles may be staggered for about 10 years after user trials.
The user trials would involve actual test-firings of the missile by the army to practise using the missile in tougher-than warlike scenarios because the Pokhran desert range (maximum length 52km) does not allow the BrahMos to be tested to its full range of 290km.
“Sometimes, technology sets a pace that the armed forces cannot absorb,” Pillai told The Telegraph. “If we get the support of the users (the armed forces), it becomes much easier. Right now we are facing problems with the navy.”
A submarine-launched missile has the supreme advantage of concealment. But the navy cannot spare even one of the 13 submarines in its fleet for Pillai to test the underwater version of the BrahMos. Pillai says testing the missile from a pontoon to simulate a submarine under water will not suffice.
The missile and its launcher would have to be integrated vertically — the picture that he draws is like a long snorkel — on the submarine.
Pillai says the navy’s Kilo-class (Russian-origin) submarines are not built to last long enough for the capability.
Even the French-origin Scorpene submarines that were ordered in 2006 and are now being built in France and co-developed in Mumbai’s Mazagon Docks are not configured for the BrahMos — a crucial failure when the contract for the submarines was drawn up.
So Pillai will have to wait till a subsequent contract for six additional submarines is drawn up before he can move his submarine-version BrahMos from the drawing board to the test-bed.
But most of the navy’s ships are being configured for the BrahMos either in India or in Russia. The INS Kolkata, a 7,000-tonne stealth destroyer being built in Mumbai, would have the BrahMos has its main weapons system.
The Indian Air Force has allotted two Sukhoi 30 Mki aircraft in which the air-to-air and air-to-ground versions of the BrahMos are being configured. Pillai expects the air force version of the missile to be ready by 2011.
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New Delhi, April 4: Missile Man Sivathanu Pillai’s successful rapid-fire demonstrations of the BrahMos have scuttled a move in the army to import the Tomahawk or its clones and it is now set to order 260 of the home-grown weapons system.
A missile race is currently intensifying in South Asia — though both India and Pakistan deny it — and the militaries of both countries are trying to outdo each other in the acquisition of ordnance delivery systems.
India’s army chief, General Deepak Kapoor, is now in France. French firm MBDA is a supplier of different categories of missiles to India’s army, navy and air force.
Although the Indian Army has finally been awed by Pillai’s Mark II version of the BrahMos, the Indian Navy has been overtaken by the pace of the technology that Pillai’s outfit has set. It cannot spare a single one from its ageing fleet of submarines for BrahMos to test the underwater version of the missile.
The army has raised one regiment (numbered 861) of the BrahMos Mark I that has an inferior quality of seeker or homing device. Now two separate missile regiments of the BrahMos Mark II, which has a seeker that can discriminate and zero in on a small target in an urban clutter, will be raised and are likely to be numbered 862 and 863.
The BrahMos cruise missile regiments follow the raisings of the 333, 444 and 555 Prithvi and Agni II ballistic missile regiments. Each of the two new BrahMos cruise missile regiments would have between four and six batteries of three to four Mobile Autonomous Launchers that can be connected to a general mobile command post.
Pillai is now negotiating the order for the BrahMos Mark II with the army that could total between Rs 8,000 and Rs 10,000 crore. The deliveries of the missiles may be staggered for about 10 years after user trials.
The user trials would involve actual test-firings of the missile by the army to practise using the missile in tougher-than warlike scenarios because the Pokhran desert range (maximum length 52km) does not allow the BrahMos to be tested to its full range of 290km.
“Sometimes, technology sets a pace that the armed forces cannot absorb,” Pillai told The Telegraph. “If we get the support of the users (the armed forces), it becomes much easier. Right now we are facing problems with the navy.”
A submarine-launched missile has the supreme advantage of concealment. But the navy cannot spare even one of the 13 submarines in its fleet for Pillai to test the underwater version of the BrahMos. Pillai says testing the missile from a pontoon to simulate a submarine under water will not suffice.
The missile and its launcher would have to be integrated vertically — the picture that he draws is like a long snorkel — on the submarine.
Pillai says the navy’s Kilo-class (Russian-origin) submarines are not built to last long enough for the capability.
Even the French-origin Scorpene submarines that were ordered in 2006 and are now being built in France and co-developed in Mumbai’s Mazagon Docks are not configured for the BrahMos — a crucial failure when the contract for the submarines was drawn up.
So Pillai will have to wait till a subsequent contract for six additional submarines is drawn up before he can move his submarine-version BrahMos from the drawing board to the test-bed.
But most of the navy’s ships are being configured for the BrahMos either in India or in Russia. The INS Kolkata, a 7,000-tonne stealth destroyer being built in Mumbai, would have the BrahMos has its main weapons system.
The Indian Air Force has allotted two Sukhoi 30 Mki aircraft in which the air-to-air and air-to-ground versions of the BrahMos are being configured. Pillai expects the air force version of the missile to be ready by 2011.
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Sat sri akal bhai,
Its too big, carries a 300 kg warhead (not needed to shoot a plane) and does not have the manouverability reqd to chase a plane.
A cruise missile to hit a plane? I think u got the idea because of its speed
Gabbar u think too much
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A2G version of brahmos is feasible ,take a look at this P-270 Moskit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskit
WAR HEAD :320 kg high explosive
VELOCITY:Mach 2.5
WEIGHT: 4,500 kg
BRAHMOS IS BETTER IN RANGE,WEIGHT AND A LITTLE BIT FASTER
A2A version nearest comes the Novator K-100 ,i think is ideal for its role
velocity 2500 mph or mach 3.2
range 300-400 km
an awacs killer does not need a 300 kg warhead because they are not as heavily armored as ships hence there is no need for a 300 kg warhead
hence an A2A brahmos will be much lighter and slimmer ....hence will take more time to develop hence will not see them around so soon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskit
WAR HEAD :320 kg high explosive
VELOCITY:Mach 2.5
WEIGHT: 4,500 kg
BRAHMOS IS BETTER IN RANGE,WEIGHT AND A LITTLE BIT FASTER
A2A version nearest comes the Novator K-100 ,i think is ideal for its role
velocity 2500 mph or mach 3.2
range 300-400 km
an awacs killer does not need a 300 kg warhead because they are not as heavily armored as ships hence there is no need for a 300 kg warhead
hence an A2A brahmos will be much lighter and slimmer ....hence will take more time to develop hence will not see them around so soon
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Sat sri akal bhai,
Its too big, carries a 300 kg warhead (not needed to shoot a plane) and does not have the manouverability reqd to chase a plane.
A cruise missile to hit a plane? I think u got the idea because of its speed
Gabbar u think too much
Sat Sri Akal!!!
I didn't say that they are going to use same specs as Surface to Surface for air to air version. It could be modified and make it more manurable, who knows right? But I like the idea of supersonic AWACs killer.
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hello ppl
one more reason for A2A brahmos to be lighter and more slimmer
the main selling point of G2G brahmos was the very high KINEMATIC energy ......it was needed because it had to penetrate possible thick concrete walls or hevy armour plating used in battle ships more likely aircraft carriers ....
high KINEMATIC ENRGY was achieved by A) solid fuels B)total weight of the missile ...which is very high and C) high speed or velocity
solid fuels give very high energy ....
heavy weight results in more momentum ..hence more energy stored in that system
high velocity is the result of the fuels used
now why am i speaking of this .....lets compare the above parameters with a modern day AWACS KILLER ...
its got very high velocity ...less weight ..less fuel ....WHY BECAUSE SO MUCH KINEMATIC ENERGY IS NOT REQUIRED AT ALL ...its simply useless and more the kinematic energy more difficult to steer it in air
ONE MORE FACT ..BRAHMOS IS AN IMPACT WEAPON .. IT DOES NOT HAVE A PROXIMITY CHARGE ...... on land or sea direct impact weapons are required for penetrating stuff ...but in air it need not be so ...proximity charge containing sharpnels will be as effective as direct impact weapons in air ...hence there will be changes in the warhead too
PROXIMITY CHARGES ARE USED BECAUSE ..the target is highly maneuverable and a direct impact may not be possible all the times ...with a proximity charge if the missile just gets into the effective kill radius it will be game over for the target AIRCRAFT...hence the kill ratio will increase many fold for A2A engagement
if the A2A version is as heavy as A2G versinn the warhead will be proximity type...if it is more slimmer and light weight it can be used for direct impact
DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER the recent failure of the BRAHMOS BLK2 version they said the missile missed the target by a few meters ,it being an impact weapon it flew next to the target and finally ended up being few kilometers behind the target
here is photo of proximity detonation
HENCE for A2A brahmos expected changes are
A) weight of fuel and warhead
OR
b) change in warhead type
one more reason for A2A brahmos to be lighter and more slimmer
the main selling point of G2G brahmos was the very high KINEMATIC energy ......it was needed because it had to penetrate possible thick concrete walls or hevy armour plating used in battle ships more likely aircraft carriers ....
high KINEMATIC ENRGY was achieved by A) solid fuels B)total weight of the missile ...which is very high and C) high speed or velocity
solid fuels give very high energy ....
heavy weight results in more momentum ..hence more energy stored in that system
high velocity is the result of the fuels used
now why am i speaking of this .....lets compare the above parameters with a modern day AWACS KILLER ...
its got very high velocity ...less weight ..less fuel ....WHY BECAUSE SO MUCH KINEMATIC ENERGY IS NOT REQUIRED AT ALL ...its simply useless and more the kinematic energy more difficult to steer it in air
ONE MORE FACT ..BRAHMOS IS AN IMPACT WEAPON .. IT DOES NOT HAVE A PROXIMITY CHARGE ...... on land or sea direct impact weapons are required for penetrating stuff ...but in air it need not be so ...proximity charge containing sharpnels will be as effective as direct impact weapons in air ...hence there will be changes in the warhead too
PROXIMITY CHARGES ARE USED BECAUSE ..the target is highly maneuverable and a direct impact may not be possible all the times ...with a proximity charge if the missile just gets into the effective kill radius it will be game over for the target AIRCRAFT...hence the kill ratio will increase many fold for A2A engagement
if the A2A version is as heavy as A2G versinn the warhead will be proximity type...if it is more slimmer and light weight it can be used for direct impact
DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER the recent failure of the BRAHMOS BLK2 version they said the missile missed the target by a few meters ,it being an impact weapon it flew next to the target and finally ended up being few kilometers behind the target
here is photo of proximity detonation
HENCE for A2A brahmos expected changes are
A) weight of fuel and warhead
OR
b) change in warhead type
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