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Many people were fooled by their empty rhetoric and by default due to their enemy being Israel but I am happy that I was never fooled. In fact I pride myself on that.:lol:

Since 1979 mostly Ba'ath Iraq warned against the Wilayat al-Faqih poison and that regime and steadfast Arab Muslim clerics who immediately understood their evil plots. I would say that this was evident for politically interested people already before the illegal US invasion of Iraq.

The only difference is that the disagreements were kept inside the 4 walls so to speak and the region was also more or less fully peaceful outside of Israel-Palestine which remained the outmost rallying point only partially interrupted by the events in Chechnya (wider Caucasus) and Bosnia. Before that the Afghan-Soviet war.

In fact I recall as a small child following the Chechnya conflicts closely. My "gore" virginity was probably taken at the age of 10 or so.:lol:

Mad respect for our Chechen brothers.


I also found out recently that our family intermarried with a few Caucasians generations ago. To this day in Hijaz there is a sizable community of people of Caucasian origins. Even whole families.

And who can forget Ibn al-Khattab?



He was himself partially Caucasian.

Only education/family has prevented me from following suit. Too scared of the consequences as well.:lol:

No in all seriousness if you were a Chechen for instance you would be a coward not to join them against the Russians if fully fit.

The greatest jihad though would be a defensive one against an invader of KSA. I think nothing would be worthy of a comparison in terms of impact.
 
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ooo mannnn that some kinda non repairable hate.........holy shitzzz.......
 
Our people never declared Jihad against modern day Israel. All the Arab-Israeli wars were fought by secular Arabs. Our Prophet told us we will never win unless we seek victory through God. Only Islamists are capable, and after Assad falls, other things in region will occur. Also other peoples plans will coincide with his fall, and you will see how it shapes itself. As we had an earlier discussion, I already explained indepth that Arabs are supressed from democracy as long as it isn't one that foriegners prefer. So that's not possible, whats possible is military victory over our enemies. And that post-victory process is our business which you don't have to worry about. Right now its a struggle for acheiving basic rights. And it wont end until we secure our rights. Jews conquered Caanan, and the Jews of today. There are 80 million plus outside Israel. The ones in Israel will live under our state as they did in the past. If they don't want to we can build an large ark for them to sail to Europe. :-)

There are about 15 million Jews in the world, that includes those in Israel.
 
What dreaming? You are the one dreaming.

Sunni Islam (/ˈsuːni/ or /ˈsʊni/) is the largestbranch of Islam; As of 2009 Sunni Muslims constituted 87-90% of the world's Muslim population.[1]

Sunni Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are a small minority and always were. The highest percentages of Shia's that I can find anywhere (reliable sources) say 15%. Not more than that.

Who is "daydreaming" once again?

Just accept your reality. Now a "Wahhabi" told you even.

Muslims have various colors. right.

The Ranking more or less is like this.

1. Sunni Hanafi
2. Shia twelvers
3. Sunni Shafi
4. Sunni Maliki
5. Sunni Hanbali
6. Wahabi/salafi (now they too have divisions)
7. Shia Alawis
8. Shia Zaidi
9. others

Hanafi top due to population in Pak+Indian+Bangla

around 25-30% of muslims population livein three countries Pak+Indian+Bangla
 
Muslims have various colors. right.

The Ranking more or less is like this.

1. Sunni Hanafi
2. Shia twelvers
3. Sunni Shafi
4. Sunni Maliki
5. Sunni Hanbali
6. Wahabi/salafi (now they too have divisions)
7. Shia Alawis
8. Shia Zaidi
9. others

Hanafi top due to population in Pak+Indian+Bangla

around 25-30% of muslims population livein three countries Pak+Indian+Bangla

how could you forget ismailis dude :P
 
Last Updated: Friday, May 29, 2015 - 22:59
Islamic State not significant threat in Saudi Arabia: US military | Zee News


Washington: Islamic State is not a significant threat in Saudi Arabia, the US military said on Friday, as it declined to speculate on the Sunni militant group`s claim of responsibility for a deadly bombing at Shi`ite Muslim mosque.


"In terms of Saudi Arabia and (Islamic State), we have no indication that they pose a significant threat at this time," said Colonel Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for the Pentagon`s Central Command, which oversees US forces in the Middle East.

Friday`s blast killed four people and was the second attack claimed by the Sunni militant group in a week in the world`s top oil-exporting country.


Reuters
 
Muslims have various colors. right.

The Ranking more or less is like this.

1. Sunni Hanafi
2. Shia twelvers
3. Sunni Shafi
4. Sunni Maliki
5. Sunni Hanbali
6. Wahabi/salafi (now they too have divisions)
7. Shia Alawis
8. Shia Zaidi
9. others

Hanafi top due to population in Pak+Indian+Bangla

around 25-30% of muslims population livein three countries Pak+Indian+Bangla

What a bunch of nonsense.

There are many more "Shafi'is" than all Shia's combined. Same with "Malikis".

Look my family has been following the Shafi'i fiqh for 1000 + years but I recognize ALL Sunni Muslim madahib and see no difference between them other than tiny cosmetic differences.

Zaydi's alone have much more in common with Hanafi and Shafi'i Sunni Muslims than Shia Twelvers while the 4 madahib of Sunni Islam have almost no differences to begin with. Cosmetic at most as I wrote and very few in between.

Shia's number no more than 200 million people if not much less.

90% of the 1.7 billion Muslims are Sunni Muslims.

All main Sunni branches are almost identical and that's why no Muslim calls himself a "Shafi'i Muslim" ( :lol: ) At most if we go into the small details people will tell you that they follow a specific madhhab but nowadays few people do that anymore to begin with.

We as Sunni Muslims take guidance from all those "branches" and most importantly respected clerics from all of those madahib. Islam is nothing like you Shia Twelverism and especially not the "Wilayat al-Faqih" poison.

I don't bother explaining this in more detail as I have done so hundreds of times.

@JUBA @Full Moon
 
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Yes, especially the Arab Fatimids did that and dozens of other Shia Arab dynasties from Morocco to Yemen. Or the Turkic/Kurdish/Hashemite or whatever they claimed Safavids who murdered and forcibly converted Iranians (genocide) to Shia Islam (Twelver) and imported Arab Shia Mullah clerics from nearby regions in the 1000's.

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suicide attacks in Islam are less than 35 years old and where, surprise, surprise, introduced by a Shia group. Their name is Hezbollah.

Yes, Sunni Arabs were so evil that a few million Alawis lived in Syria for an eternity without facing any violence. On the other hand a few powerful Alawi families have caused terror in Syria for decades.

LOL. The Hanbali fiqh is 1 of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam and is not a "religion". It's almost identical to all the other 3 Sunni madahib and besides it's a minority madhhab in KSA.

Yes, 3 attacks on Shia in 83 years of history. Less than 40 dead in total.

The sole armed "Shia group" in KSA has been destroyed and its leaders are in jail awaiting execution. Arming "Shia's" (who, how, against whom) will just make matters even more worse for them.

Anyway

1) You are not a Muslim

2) You do not care about Arabs, whether Shia or not

3) Sunnis in Iran are murdered on a monthly basis and put on show-trials where they are accused of being "enemies of God". From the Baluch to the Kurds to the Turkmens to the Arabs.

90% of all the 1.7 billion Muslims are Sunni and most of them, especially nowadays, have low tolerance levels for Shias sponsored by the Iranian Wilayat al-Faqih regime and their agenda.

Lets not go back more than 200 years back. lets talk about recent events
. No need to talk about how shia were attacked even before safavids and fatimids (during the time of umayads and abbasids).

There is a difference between suicide attack against civilians, restaurants, mosques, markets or during a war against an enemy soldiers who is militarily stronger (equipment, support etc).

Yes, the history is witness of killing of shia lebanese of syian shia.
Some think the Nusayri were descendents from the Nazerini in Syria Roman historian Pliny mentioned in History 5:23. The ‘Alawites are composed of a number of tribes, some of which were native to northwest Syria; other tribes emigrated from Iraq in the 12th century. In 1516, the Ottoman Emperor Selim I "The Grim" killed over 9,400 mainly ‘Alawite Shi’ites with the blessing of the Sunni religious leaders. He settled many Turks in the ‘Alawite homelands of northeast Syria, but over time, many of them joined the ‘Alawites also.
Anti-Shi'ism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At last you don't know me personally and whether I'm a Ismaili, sufi or alevi or no muslim is personal and not even relevant. I do care about shia arabs who we had and have ties with. I even care about non-shia arabs like people of Oman. In Iran they don't kill you because of being sunni. If you do suicide bombing like jundullah (al-rigi) that's another story.

Hanbalism from the beginning had the weakness of resorting to violence, also towards other sunnis.
Led by the Hanbalite scholar Al-Hasan ibn 'Ali al-Barbahari, the school often formed mobs of followers in 10th-century Baghdad who would engage in violence against fellow Sunnis suspected of committing sins and all Shi'ites. During al-Barbahari's leadership of the school in Baghdad, shops were looted, female entertainers were attacked in the streets,popular grievances among the lower classes were agitated as a source of mobilization, and public chaos in general ensued.Their efforts would be their own undoing in 935, when a series of home invasions and mob violence on the part of al-Barbahari's followers in addition to perceived deviant views let to the Caliph Ar-Radi publicly condemning the school in its entirety and ending its official patronage by state religious bodies.

Historically, the school's legitimacy was not always accepted. Muslim exegete Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, founder of the now extinct Jariri school of law, was noted for ignoring the Hanbali school entirely when weighing the views of jurists; this was due to his view that the founder, Ibn Hanbal, was merely a scholar of prophetic tradition and was not a jurist at all.The Hanbalites, led by al-Barbahari, reacted by stoning Tabari's home several times, inciting riots so violent that Abbasid authorities had to subdue them by force.
 
Lets not go back more than 200 years back. lets talk about recent events. No need to talk about how shia were attacked even before safavids and fatimids (during the time of umayads and abbasids).

There is a difference between suicide attack against civilians, restaurants, mosques, markets or during a war against an enemy soldiers who is militarily stronger (equipment, support etc).

Yes, the history is witness of killing of shia lebanese of syian shia.
Some think the Nusayri were descendents from the Nazerini in Syria Roman historian Pliny mentioned in History 5:23. The ‘Alawites are composed of a number of tribes, some of which were native to northwest Syria; other tribes emigrated from Iraq in the 12th century. In 1516, the Ottoman Emperor Selim I "The Grim" killed over 9,400 mainly ‘Alawite Shi’ites with the blessing of the Sunni religious leaders. He settled many Turks in the ‘Alawite homelands of northeast Syria, but over time, many of them joined the ‘Alawites also.
Anti-Shi'ism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At last you don't know me personally and whether I'm a Ismaili, sufi or alevi or no muslim is personal and not even relevant. I do care about shia arabs who we had and have ties with. I even care about non-shia arabs like people of Oman. In Iran they don't kill you because of being sunni. If you do suicide bombing like jundullah (al-rigi) that's another story.

Hanbalism from the beginning had the weakness of resorting to violence, also towards other sunnis.
Led by the Hanbalite scholar Al-Hasan ibn 'Ali al-Barbahari, the school often formed mobs of followers in 10th-century Baghdad who would engage in violence against fellow Sunnis suspected of committing sins and all Shi'ites. During al-Barbahari's leadership of the school in Baghdad, shops were looted, female entertainers were attacked in the streets,popular grievances among the lower classes were agitated as a source of mobilization, and public chaos in general ensued.Their efforts would be their own undoing in 935, when a series of home invasions and mob violence on the part of al-Barbahari's followers in addition to perceived deviant views let to the Caliph Ar-Radi publicly condemning the school in its entirety and ending its official patronage by state religious bodies.

Historically, the school's legitimacy was not always accepted. Muslim exegete Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, founder of the now extinct Jariri school of law, was noted for ignoring the Hanbali school entirely when weighing the views of jurists; this was due to his view that the founder, Ibn Hanbal, was merely a scholar of prophetic tradition and was not a jurist at all.The Hanbalites, led by al-Barbahari, reacted by stoning Tabari's home several times, inciting riots so violent that Abbasid authorities had to subdue them by force.

The fact is that Sunni Arabs, if they really wanted, could have ganged up and killed all Shia Arabs and later other Shias but they never did that.

Even in KSA there are large Shia populations in all of the country outside of the North and Najd.

Most of the conflicts back then were solely of a political nature and power struggles. Like we see even to this day mostly.

Sure, we can take a look today.

A Houthi terror cult (Zaydi's initially now turned Shia Twelver) are murdering Yemenis of all sects and have done so for months, Hezbollah is murdering mainly Sunni's in Syria and all opponents in Southern Lebanon (even fellow Shia's that oppose them), sectarian Shia gangs in Afghanistan and Pakistan are killing people to this day, Iraqi Shia Arab militias in Iraq are committing big crimes in Iraq against the Sunni population, the Alawi regime of Al-Assad is committing genocide against mainly Syrian Sunni Arabs etc.

Yes, but Hezbollah have used suicide bombs and car bombs to attack civilians too. Many times. The point was that Shia's introduced suicide bombings to the Muslim world.

Besides suicide bombings are no different from barrel bombings or shootings the only difference is that the perpetrator dies too and that such means are almost always used by weaker parties because they have nothing else to cause damage with other than bombings.

If ISIS for instance had an air force they would be using that mostly and not such tactics. Same with the Kamikaze pilots during WW2 and Iranian child soldiers in the Iraq-Iran war.

What? When were Alawis killed? If they were killed why is an entire region of Syria majority Alawi and why have they been ruling Syria for 40 + years? Why are they not extinct?

Alawis live in Northwestern (coastal region) of Syria. Not the Northeast. Alawis just like Druze are mostly descendants of ancient Arab tribes. Even most Christian Arab families in Lebanon are recent converts (300-200 years) to Christianity or Druze. Just like almost all the Arab tribes of Southern Iraq converted to Shia Islam in fairly recent centuries (300-200 years). Some even 150 years ago.

I do not believe that there is a single Iranian that genuinely cares about Arabs, at least not on PDF.

I think that the reports of ill-treatment of Sunnis (of all ethnicities, Persian included) in Iran are well documented since 1979.

I am not sure how events 1100 years ago are relevant when the forceful conversion of Iran to Shia Islam (Twelver) at the hands of Safavids (which probably killed many, many Iranians and Azeris) and more recent events are apparently "too old".

The Hanbali fiqh is mainly followed in Najd and I don't recall Najd being a region that had many civil wars or whose people were killing others. Regional conflicts existed and there were military raids but that was mostly of a economic/military nature.

There is very little difference between the 4 Sunni madahib and I see little difference between the Hanbali madhab and other madahib. The Hanbali madhab tends to be more conservative, that's all.


Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra) is recognized as a founder of 1 of the 4 Sunni Madahib.

Besides had it not been for important Hanbali scholars the ME might have been even more devastated by the Mongols and spoken Mongolian for a time.
 
There are about 15 million Jews in the world, that includes those in Israel.

No way, 6 million in Israel, 5 million registered in US. 70 million around world unregistered or classify themselves as agnostic/atheist.
 
inna lillahi wa innâ ilay-hi raji'oon.
wish more people can follow you but what I see is a perpetual arguments bordering insults and racism between @Saif al-Arab and @scythian500 both are knowledgeable and must have respectable positions in real life but here on this thread and others I see some sorry state of affairs. so far I have only deleted posts but I will be forced to issue infractions.
 
No surprise that Saudi daesh attacks shia mosque. Just look at this thread. Someone like saif al Arab even said "
The Shias in KSA should convert to Islam and if they do not like to live in KSA we can send them to Antarctica."

Is it surprise then that daesh feels proud of their action?
 

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