Blast in Quetta kills 84 Shias, injures 200

[muse]

Religion of Peace and Forgiveness - Honestly?

 

[Safriz]

Religion of Peace and Forgiveness - Honestly?

None of the two world wars were fought for religion and Heroshima wasnt bombed for religion either..
So stop putting all blame on religion....
Yours is extremism of another kind....

 

[BATMAN]

Very sad incident, and there is no one to help poor Hazaras/Shias in Pakistan; surely it seems in near future Pakistan will have it's worst ever radical fundamentalist regime whether by military/civilian rulers... but that's coming!

This is why you always celebrate deaths of Pakistani soldiers and kids?

Take a break... dead were sure poor souls... not necessarily of one sect. and it is your handy work, upon instructions of your stinky masters.. you know what i mean.

You can't in any remote possibility can have 100's of people of same sect. together at the same place.

Pakistantoday.com.pk and express tribune are the cheer leaders of anti Pakistan propaganda.. we all see it.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Which is acting as an arm of ISI, which is acting as an arm of the Pakistan Fauj, which is an arm of the Jamaat, which is...

Hiding in plain sight behind all these names and organizations in which we choose to pretend to be confused by --- Where did the explosives come from? Who did not stop (read "allow") the explosives to be brought in?

The poor guys ho just wanted a job in the FC, did they ever realize they would be a pawn?

@muse;

I'm cross-posting a post by @third eye on another thread. While it is not directly related to the Shia-Sunni sectarian divide; it draws attention to the larger picture of what will happen after 2014, and even more importantly - how it is likely to affect Pakistan.

The shadow over Pakistan-Ayaz Amir


The Soviet pullout from Afghanistan in 1989 was a triumph for our military establishment. The ISI and the Zia regime, while not solely responsible for that outcome, had helped bring it about. But the American pullout from Afghanistan, now underway and to be completed in about a year’s time, far from being any kind of triumph looks set to be a disaster...one for which we are wholly unprepared.

Afghanistan in 1989 was a simpler proposition, the highs and lows of it etched in black and white. Afghanistan in 2013 is a place infinitely more complicated and dangerous...not just for itself but for us as well.

This is because of one vital difference. Afghanistan then was a country contained within its borders. Afghanistan now, to our misfortune, is stretched across the Durand Line. Ask yourself two simple questions: (1) Are the Taliban based in Fata more loyal to Mullah Omar or to the state of Pakistan? (2) Is North Waziristan, in real terms, more a part of Pakistan or Afghanistan?

When the American pullout is complete these facts will become starker. Does anyone in his right mind think that in a year from now Amir Hakeemullah Mehsud – amir of the semi-independent Islamic Emirate of North Waziristan – will come down from the mountains and lay down his arms before the army command in Rawalpindi?

The Afghan ‘mujahideen’ in 1989 exulted over the circumstance that they had defeated one superpower. Now they can lay claim to a far bigger triumph. Forget about the Afghan Taliban. Does any fool think that when the Americans have drunk fully from their cup of humiliation, the Pakistani Taliban will be in a more penitent mood, ready to settle for modest or moderate terms with the hapless representatives of the Pakistani state? What world of fantasy and make-believe are we living in?

We can fit that old proverb to our circumstances: with friends like the United States who needs enemies? The Americans made life difficult for us by coming to Afghanistan in 2011. They will make life more difficult for us by leaving the job they came to do not just half-done but utterly undone. The Taliban before were just an Afghan phenomenon, a curiosity to be observed from afar. Thanks to our American friends they are now just as much a Pakistani phenomenon.

And we will have to deal with this phenomenon not in the remote future but in a year’s time. When President Obama first said that American troops would be out by 2014, it seemed such a distant date. Now it’s upon us and, far from being prepared, we are seeing to it that we bury our heads deeper into the sand, with sundry paladins saying we must talk peace with the Taliban without being at all clear what this would entail.

Forget for a moment the modalities of peace talks, whether in the mountains or Doha or wherever. Can the knights proposing talks with the Taliban just spell out the terms of a likely settlement? We need some clarity here, not woolly statements...specific outlines of a settlement that would be good for Pakistan. If capable of this clarity, they should not waste a minute. If not, then perhaps it would be best not to brandish olive branches which can only encourage the Taliban and confuse our own forces risking their lives in the killing fields of Fata.

There has been no greater apologist for the Taliban than Imran Khan. Yet when he wanted to march to North Waziristan the Taliban would not allow him. Maulana Fazlur Rehman is a self-appointed mediator for talks with the Taliban. Yet the Taliban, in so many words, have made it clear they want to have nothing to do with him.

Do we take the Taliban to be a bunch of kids? They have been fighting the Pakistan army and air force for the last so many years. Having held out for so long will they settle for any kind of lollipops when, across the Hindukush mountains, vindication is so close at hand for their brethren under Mullah Omar from whom they derive their inspiration? And from whom besides inspiration they will derive more physical strength once the Americans are out of Afghanistan.

Are we in a position to dictate terms or negotiate from a position of strength? Quite apart from the balance of military forces, is there any internal cohesion on our side? If there are elements in Pakistani society hostile to the Taliban, there is no shortage of elements sympathetic to them. The Taliban suffer from no such confusion. We need no videos from the Taliban spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan, to tell us that they are united in their aim: the recasting of the Pakistani state along lines prescribed by their own version of Islam.

What Swat was under Mullah Fazlullah, what North Waziristan is under Hakeemullah Mehsud, what the Taliban-controlled areas of Afghanistan will be under Mullah Omar, is what they would like the whole of Pakistan to be. And don’t forget that their support network in the form of friendly seminaries and friendly religious parties is now spread across Pakistan.

The MQM may have its own sins to answer for but it is not crying wolf when it says that spreading areas of Karachi are now Taliban-dominated, with their own jirgas to settle local disputes. Indeed, the Taliban are stepping into the shoes of the Awami National Party. And the MQM while not without its own power will, in times to come, be no match for these veterans of multiple jihads.

So the dynamics of the national situation are changing and we remain blissfully unaware. This is strategic depth in reverse; not Afghanistan our depth but Pakistan with its religious parties and Taliban sympathisers becoming, oh scary thought, an extension of Afghanistan. Does this sound too apocalyptic? But then could anyone have imagined in 2001 that in a few years’ time North Waziristan would become a no-go area where our military boots would fear to tread? Or that the spectre of Vietnam would come to haunt Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is only living up to its reputation of being the graveyard of empires. But who told us to play with fire there? Now it’s just not our fingers that are being burnt but much more.

Come to think of it, through our folly we are reversing 200 years of history. Once upon a time most of the territories now comprising Pakistan were part of the kingdom of Kabul. Then on these territories Maharajah Ranjit Singh established his kingdom and, as a measure of his power, wrested Peshawar from Afghan hands. With the Maharajah’s death his kingdom fell on evil days and it was not long before it was defeated and then annexed by the British.

Of this tangled skein we are the luckless inheritors, successors of course to the British but, at a remove, successors also to the kingdom of Maharajah Ranjit Singh. His was a secular kingdom but let’s not get into that minefield here. More to the point, he kept the Afghans at a distance. We have been less successful than him in our Afghan policy. Our military commanders talk strangely of training Afghan troops. Our own house in disorder, we have the hubris to offer free advice to others.

And as the Americans prepare to leave, forget all the hogwash about their continued interest in our affairs. A skeletal relationship will of course survive but we will be largely on our own, with the rupee in free-fall and the Taliban on the march, in spirit if not otherwise. This about sums up our predicament.

That is why 2013 is so crucial for us, for the governing arrangement that emerges from the coming elections will be the stewards of our discontent when the Americans are out and the Taliban are dreaming of duplicating in Pakistan their victory that side of the Durand Line.

And will we be prepared for all this?


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/235391-shadow-over-pakistan.html#ixzz2L52xchAC

 

[Safriz]

Btw.....news says it was a motorcycle bomb..
How can a motorcycle bomb cause so much damage?

 

[muse]

None of the two world wars were fought for religion and Heroshima wasnt bombed for religion either..
So stop putting all blame on religion....
Yours is extremism of another kind....

Our problem is immediate and it's Pakistani and "islamic" - at least 55 Pakistanis are blown to bits because of their confession and I'm an extremist -- unlike yourself who choose to pretend that it has nothing to do with the religion of peace and forgiveness - whatever floats your boat

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Very sad incident. RIP to the dead.

 

[arp2041]

Most Pakistanis dont care anymore....sad but true...
People have their own personal lives and personal problems to worry about...
Hazara people will protest...for the rest of the country it will be another normal day...
Whoever is doing this has overdone it...and their main purpose of creating shock and fear in the country..doesnt happen anymore...

Really Interesting Summary.......

So if i understood u correctly, than, if Hazaras die in large nos. it's an Hazara Affair, If Shias die in nos. it's a Shia Affair, If some innocents Baluchs die than it's collateral damage, If some innocents die of Drone attacks it's again a Collateral Damage & a regional affair, Can u tell me When a TERRORIST attack on Pakistan will be a Pakistani Affair???

One man who was an Indian in the name of Afzal Guru got hanged & all Pakistani members were opening thread on thread & writing posts on posts as to how it was an Indian conspiracy & as to how he was Innocent, but when ur own 55 innocent people die, we are hardly seeing any Pakistani member Post, Infact, an Indian was needed to broke the news & open this thread & the posters like you, call it a LOCAL COMMUNITY AFFAIR than a loss for entire Pakistan. I can see more Indian Posts in this thread than others. Stop making enemy in the name of India, Pakistan's biggest enemies are sitting inside Pakistan itself.

On a Side Note, when a single Mumbai 26/11 occurred, many people from many community died, there were Marathis, Bengalis, Tamilians, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. & every Indian protested the heinous Terrorist attack, not in the name of any Community, but in the name of the common link b/w all - Indian.

 

[BATMAN]

Don't throw sh*t out of your mouth!! it was your trained terrorists who did that but even them have a spicy news for you today:

Hazara ex-commander joins Taliban - PakTribune

Are you idiot or just chewing the words of your stinky masters.
Who exactly is trained by who? Where were they before Afghan occupation by stinky lot over running Afghanistan?
The kind of evidence we hold goes only against you --------!

 

[pakdefender]

the increase in hazara killing could be related to the ongoing iran-saudi feud as well , the iranians are sponsoring the butchering of sunnis in Syria while Saudis seem to have stepped up the sponsorship of butchering of Shias in Pakistan.

the hazara comunity was targetted by the Taliban as well , read any afghan forum and you'll see absue being hurled at hazara so there is that angle also.

 

[Anees]

RIP to Shia Muslim .....

 

[BATMAN]

Btw.....news says it was a motorcycle bomb..
How can a motorcycle bomb cause so much damage?

No idea.. there are many more open questions.

Just keep an eye who is propagating what... incl. the news sources.

 

[Hashshāshīn]

Actually it's ISI and PA that have a beef against Pakistan -- to them these are just necessary conditions for their political games.

So you're saying ISI and PA are supporting TTP, who in turn are killing PA troops?

 

[muse]

Really Interesting Summary.......

So if i understood u correctly, than, if Hazaras die in large nos. it's an Hazara Affair, If Shias die in nos. it's a Shia Affair, If some innocents Baluchs die than it's collateral damage, If some innocents die of Drone attacks it's again a Collateral Damage & a regional affair, Can u tell me When a TERRORIST attack on Pakistan will be a Pakistani Affair???

One man who was an Indian in the name of Afzal Guru got hanged & all Pakistani members were opening thread on thread & writing posts on posts as to how it was an Indian conspiracy & as to how he was Innocent, but when ur own 55 innocent people die, we are hardly seeing any Pakistani member Post, Infact, an Indian was needed to broke the news & open this thread & the posters like you, call it a LOCAL COMMUNITY AFFAIR than a loss for entire Pakistan. I can see more Indian Posts in this thread than others. Stop making enemy in the name of India, Pakistan's biggest enemies are sitting inside Pakistan itself.

On a Side Note, when a single Mumbai 26/11 occurred, many people from many community died, there were Marathis, Bengalis, Tamilians, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. & every Indian protested the heinous Terrorist attack, not in the name of any Community, but in the name of the common link b/w all - Indian.

See here arp, the Pakistan army will take care of the Hindus, while the ISI takes care of these throw away Muslims to make way for the REAL muslims - that's why people who raise this issue of religion of Peace and Forgiveness and it's intimate relationship with terrorism in particular and violence in general, will be 'extremists" of another sort ----

 

[muse]

So you're saying ISI and PA are supporting TTP, who in turn are killing PA troops?

100 percent! This seems to you to not make any sense because you do not realize that we are in a civil war state - and that we were brought into this state by elements of the ISI and the Pakistan Army - All Pakistani installations attacked were attacked with inside help, Pakistani installations attacked by a rag tag band of Talib?? really? And the logistics and finances needed to keep them going has been missed by the ISI and Pakistan army for more than 12 years?? You can kid yourself, but the longer you do, the deeper the sense of betrayal you may experience.