BLA's Terrorist & a Scholar at same time

[Crusher]

I feel like arguing with you on this.
The resources you are on about and many Baloch cry rivers about, are not lying on the ground and need huge investment to make them useful in the first place.
Gas is dug from 6 miles underneath and that after 70% failed drillings. 7 out 10 gas wells yield no commercially viable gas and cost the same as the other 3 commercially viable gas wells. So the cost of the 7 failed drilling expeditions (common success/failure ratio across the industry) is to be recovered from the 3 successful drillings.
Also to use the gas an extensive gas pumping, storage and pipeline network is needed, that costs a lot and those costs also need to be recovered from the gas revenue.
Then the most important component, you need paying customers to earn gas revenue ? Or you can't earn anything?
There's the crux of Balochistan problem.
They think that gas is sitting on the ground and needs nothing else to be commercially profitable.
And all of them want free and unlimited gas.
So how will the state or any private company cover the gas exploration costs a s earn any money when every Baloch just wants free gas and on top of that they basically want every Punjabi ( the most bill paying province of Pakistan) or Karachi wala to pay gas bills directly to Baloch feudal lords.
The state does give them gas royalty which is about 17% of all gas earnings.
But that money disappears and never gets spent on Baloch people.

I am also fed up of reading this BS of "resource" heaven status of Balochistan, I used to believe this BS until 4 years ago but then I got into stock market and started investing in mining companies, I have followed all kinds of news blogs about mining related stuff for years now. And based on my current knowledge about mining business practices I can safely say that Balochistan has zero importance as far as natural resources for vast majority of big players in the mining industry, there is nothing special in Balochistan that is not present in hundreds of other prime locations throughout the world. But the laymen who don't know any sh1t about mining business always make heavenly claims about Balochistan's "natural resources" as if it is an area with the world's largest proven oil, gas or any other strategic mineral reserves which it isn't and the international mining industry is drooling over it.

 

[Safriz]

I am also fed up of reading this BS of "resource" heaven status of Balochistan, I used to believe this BS until 4 years ago but then I got into stock market and started investing in mining companies, I have followed all kinds of news blogs about mining related stuff for years now. And based on my current knowledge about mining business practices I can safely say that Balochistan has zero importance as far as natural resources for vast majority of big players in the mining industry, there is nothing special in Balochistan that is not present in hundreds of other prime locations throughout the world. But the laymen who don't know any sh1t about mining business always make heavenly claims about Balochistan's "natural resources" as if it is an area with the world's largest proven oil, gas or any other strategic mineral reserves which it isn't and the international mining industry is drooling over it.

Yes.
I have been painting out similar things only to be painted racist and anti Baloch.
They pay no taxes, don't want to pay utility bills, won't allow any mining projects in their province. Sandak gold is shining example. Balochistan messed it up, but Pakistan is paying the fines.
However they want all the development projects in their province like Lahore or even more.
From where the money for those development projects will come from?

 

[Crusher]

Yes.
I have been painting out similar things only to be painted racist and anti Baloch.
They pay no taxes, don't want to pay utility bills, won't allow any mining projects in their province. Sandak gold is shining example. Balochistan messed it up, but Pakistan is paying the fines.
However they want all the development projects in their province like Lahore or even more.
From where the money for those development projects will come from?

It is due to their ignorance of modern capitalism based business model. There is no concept of free lunch in the capitalist system particularly for the common people of any society. In global capitalist business model if you want to get something you have to give something in exchange. But Balochistan is plagued with far-left communist movements which make them believe that "business" means that you give nothing but get everything for free from the state, that is the core issue in that area.

 

[CHI RULES]

Check their Fsc marks and they may have barely passed and got admission on "Quota system".
They and many such people don't deserve to be in these educational institutions and are planted there as mercenary of terrorism.
They spend literally no time in studies as that's not their purpose, and all of their time is spent in anti state activities.
But the state only cracks down on madressah

Sir you are partly true as QAU is a tough University until and unless you study for majority of courses you cannot pass them on other hand in few subjects bribes or unfair means are effective. It is utter negligence on part of our intelligence agencies that such people are active in such sensitive Universities. As people who know QAU location can get idea what I am saying. I have personally observed intelligence guys in University with walkie talkie as my wife is a graduate of this Uni and during her education visited the Uni regularly. Even in one defense related DSS course many people of armed forces get admission at QAU.

One of PU lecturer during a lunch informed that many students from KP and Baluchistan have got admitted in the name of harmony on quota system in PU and they are spreading their venom. They continuously threat other students and even are involved in violence. The university management is unable to control them. We should at least check the activities of such students. Moreover the ethnic councils like Sindhi, Punjabi or Baluch councils should be banned from universities.

That's true now, but historically Balochistan has been the main source of gas for Pakistan.
Plus Sindhi don't go militant or blow themselves up on gas . Baloch do all that.

Sir on limited scale not militancy but on ethnic grounds Sindhi people have remained involved in spy work for Raw or facilitators of terrorists. I have observed interview of one Hindu individual from Baluchistan in this regard. What about
Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz.

When statement was released were looking for them on Missing Persons list, but as we dug deeper, story unfolded further.

• It tells us that how our educational institutions are breeding grounds for terrorism recruitment. Who were once young & naive were brainwashed into terrorists
• They not only became terrorists were working as an agent for recruitment of potential terrorists at the Educational institutes.
• They may have been killed by Security Forces but their blood is on the likes of Ammar Ali jan, Nida Kirmani & Ammar Rashid. It is their preaching that turned many more students towards violence & picking up arms against the state
• Authorities need to wake up and dig deep into what is happening at our universities in these ethnic societies.

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@Horus FYI & processing

Update:
Shadad @ Capital Talk show in Q&A session with Ahsan Iqbal

https://imgur.com/pgPg0Ez

Sir there are ethnicity based councils in QAU which are involved in violence mostly Pashtun Vs Punjabi, Sindhi Vs Punjabi aur Baluch vs others. The violence news seldom come out however poison is spreading day by day I am shocked to observe that even females discriminate each other on basis of ethnicity and QAU management is quite dumb. There should be lectures of nationalism and dialogue for harmony as well as strict security/intelligence check there. We must become proactive instead of reactive. You can confirm your self by visiting QAU. Even Afghani students clearly express their anti Pak views.

 

[WebMaster]

When statement was released were looking for them on Missing Persons list, but as we dug deeper, story unfolded further.

• It tells us that how our educational institutions are breeding grounds for terrorism recruitment. Who were once young & naive were brainwashed into terrorists
• They not only became terrorists were working as an agent for recruitment of potential terrorists at the Educational institutes.
• They may have been killed by Security Forces but their blood is on the likes of Ammar Ali jan, Nida Kirmani & Ammar Rashid. It is their preaching that turned many more students towards violence & picking up arms against the state
• Authorities need to wake up and dig deep into what is happening at our universities in these ethnic societies.

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@Horus FYI & processing

Update:
Shadad @ Capital Talk show in Q&A session with Ahsan Iqbal

https://imgur.com/pgPg0Ez

It is clear that poverty and police oppression was a factor into them becoming terrorists.

 

[ziaulislam]

He may have got into the University on Quota system, but did he get his M.Phil based on that too? I have seen his video from Capital Talk show, tbh he looks innocent but then this is before he flipped

According to his former teacher at University, Shadad was preparing to sit CSS exam, he traveled to Lahore and i believe it was there where he flipped


I hope this answers your query .....

yes..these days mphils guy cn barely speak english..i have witnessed that first account. quality has dropped tremendously

even local PhD is becoming a joke..

and lastly, most of the time-poor students dont make it to metric let alone to universities..i wounder what is there financial back ground

I am also fed up of reading this BS of "resource" heaven status of Balochistan, I used to believe this BS until 4 years ago but then I got into stock market and started investing in mining companies, I have followed all kinds of news blogs about mining related stuff for years now. And based on my current knowledge about mining business practices I can safely say that Balochistan has zero importance as far as natural resources for vast majority of big players in the mining industry, there is nothing special in Balochistan that is not present in hundreds of other prime locations throughout the world. But the laymen who don't know any sh1t about mining business always make heavenly claims about Balochistan's "natural resources" as if it is an area with the world's largest proven oil, gas or any other strategic mineral reserves which it isn't and the international mining industry is drooling over it.

Baluchistan is not the major hydrocarbon producer in pakistan..its Sindh and KPK

and yes they get there royalties..though this is a recent development..before 18th amendments royalties were not given..same is true for hydro royalties..

 

[Pandora]

why they are lifting arms ? may be they are feeling themselves deprived .

Do they look deprived to you in any way? Govt provided them with every thing even education at the top university in Pakistan. This is not deprivation but the dollars that attract these people. These people get paid thousands of dollars just for killing bunch of laborers and then advertising it like some heroic fact. In the end no amount of help from govt will help these people bcz they learnt nothing from their education.

 

[Hiptullha]

However as I dug deeper, we found out that these guys may have been brainwashed into joining the ranks of terrorists, but they were not just foot soliders like we saw in case of TTP or any other terrorist group...
These guys flipped & then knowingly traveled across the country as guest speakers looking for potential recruit....
So they themselves became the recruiters, thats smart, a blind foot solider usually doesn't do that stuf

Can you elaborate on this and where you got the info?

It's the other way around

Balochistan is winding down


Afghanistan game has collapsed
Iran is under immense pressure

Multiple TTP and BLA leaders and targets have been taken out

They have their backs against the wall and are hence striking out


Once the Iran border fence is complete


It will be game over

It was never a military problem so defeating the BLA isn't a solution.

 

[Amaa'n]

Can you elaborate on this and where you got the info?



It was never a military problem so defeating the BLA isn't a solution.

BLA's own statement, photo in the first posts, reading interview 7 editorial from the societies / study circles where they have been guest speakers....

It is clear that poverty and police oppression was a factor into them becoming terrorists.

some point in early 2010s i was working in Balochistan on different projects. Even last year my younger brother was working on a project in Harboi, the way he has narrated to me, it seems nothing has changed since i was there.

The issue is with their system, the problem lies with Tribal & Feudal system. As part of Social responsibility the organization i was working for paved black top roads in the area, they installed electricity poles & ran cables. But it did not go well with Sardar sb, he had his men take down the cables & sell them for some $$$$, electricity poles were taken down and sold seperately. The guys who destroyed this infrastructure were not outsiders, they were living in the same area. While men spent time at Sardar's dera & wandering the area, engaging in useless activities, their wives walked miles to get water & children played outside the broken huts...

They themselves don't want to alleviate their standard of living, what can state do about it.....as far as Police is concerned then local Police works along Sardar's too, been there seen that

 

[pakpride00090]

BLA's own statement, photo in the first posts, reading interview 7 editorial from the societies / study circles where they have been guest speakers....


some point in early 2010s i was working in Balochistan on different projects. Even last year my younger brother was working on a project in Harboi, the way he has narrated to me, it seems nothing has changed since i was there.

The issue is with their system, the problem lies with Tribal & Feudal system. As part of Social responsibility the organization i was working for paved black top roads in the area, they installed electricity poles & ran cables. But it did not go well with Sardar sb, he had his men take down the cables & sell them for some $$$$, electricity poles were taken down and sold seperately. The guys who destroyed this infrastructure were not outsiders, they were living in the same area. While men spent time at Sardar's dera & wandering the area, engaging in useless activities, their wives walked miles to get water & children played outside the broken huts...

They themselves don't want to alleviate their standard of living, what can state do about it.....as far as Police is concerned then local Police works along Sardar's too, been there seen that

Then there is only one thing to do and we all know that.... The problem is , we don't have the guts to get it to its logical conclusion. We half-*** things which then blow back.

 

[WebMaster]

some point in early 2010s i was working in Balochistan on different projects. Even last year my younger brother was working on a project in Harboi, the way he has narrated to me, it seems nothing has changed since i was there.

The issue is with their system, the problem lies with Tribal & Feudal system. As part of Social responsibility the organization i was working for paved black top roads in the area, they installed electricity poles & ran cables. But it did not go well with Sardar sb, he had his men take down the cables & sell them for some $$$$, electricity poles were taken down and sold seperately. The guys who destroyed this infrastructure were not outsiders, they were living in the same area. While men spent time at Sardar's dera & wandering the area, engaging in useless activities, their wives walked miles to get water & children played outside the broken huts...

They themselves don't want to alleviate their standard of living, what can state do about it.....as far as Police is concerned then local Police works along Sardar's too, been there seen that

State needs to enforce its laws. I.E. find the culprits who destroy states property and get them behind bars, not matter how big they are. Otherwise, problems like above will continue.

It can also be noted that this kind of behavior is intended to keep the status quo and run the mantra of state does nothing for us and in turn fuel insurgency based on dollars from the east.

 

[Ace of Spades]

State needs to enforce its laws. I.E. find the culprits who destroy states property and get them behind bars, not matter how big they are. Otherwise, problems like above will continue.

It can also be noted that this kind of behavior is intended to keep the status quo and run the mantra of state does nothing for us and in turn fuel insurgency based on dollars from the east.

Yes rule of law but that's one small part of the bigger puzzle; another one is to give people stake in the system. Merit based employments, investments in education, industries for educated, health care for their families. Everything will fall in line.

 

[WebMaster]

Yes rule of law but that's one small part of the bigger puzzle; another one is to give people stake in the system. Merit based employments, investments in education, industries for educated, health care for their families. Everything will fall in line.

Merit is a big issue in Pakistan. It is also another cause for terrorism. And it is a bigger issue that is suppressing economic growth because you have inept people in positions they shouldn't be. Anyways, that's for a different topic.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Merit is a big issue in Pakistan. It is also another cause for terrorism. And it is a bigger issue that is suppressing economic growth because you have inept people in positions they shouldn't be. Anyways, that's for a different topic.

It is all interconnected, Pakistan won't be able to solve this menace with security apparatus only. But yeah; it's a detailed topic for discussion.

I saw an interview few months back; the guy was an engineer with UET degree, couldn't find job for few years. Eventually ended up working in fields as a labourer. Another news i read a guy topper of his board, did engineering from GIKI with very good marks, couldn't find job, was from a very poor family, killed himself. So yeah, that's the ground situation for many graduates in Pakistan.

 

[LeGenD]

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Killing people Left, Right and Center for their political views will create more problems for the country than addressing existing ones. Best course of action is to house-arrest these kind of people for indefinite period until they relent. This is humanitarian approach and will do the trick because these ultra-liberal types will not be able to come to the streets and organize such events afterwards.

Students are innocent on average until brainwashed by anti-state elements. Re-educating seemingly brainwashed students might work in the long-term.

Pakistan must strive for internal harmony and find better ways to address its internal problems.

@Foxtrot Alpha

Good Sir? What you say?