Blame China? Why not to blame yourself first !

[UKBengali]

Another reason is that Most Burmese think Rohingyas was a group inducted by UK colonizer's to leverage local's campaign for independence.

The educated Barmans know that Rohingya were in the land before they were. I do not know what the average Barman knows on the matter.

 

[Species]

Another reason is that Most Burmese think Rohingyas was a group inducted by UK colonizer's to leverage local's campaign for independence.

That is inherently a false propaganda triggered by their military and radical Buddhist monks. Several Rohingya leaders like Sultan Mahmud were, in fact, close associates of Aung San during the Burmese independence movement. Many were also elected as cabinet ministers in the independent Burma.

 

[帅的一匹]

That is inherently a false propaganda triggered by their military and radical Buddhist monks. Several Rohingya leaders like Sultan Mahmud were, in fact, close associates of Aung San during the Burmese independence movement. Many were also elected as cabinet ministers in the independent Burma.

Migh Ailang is a dangerous figure.

 

[beijingwalker]

We should have more youth exchange programs like this to help understand each other's cultures better.

 

[TopCat]

Another reason is that Most Burmese think Rohingyas was a group inducted by UK colonizer's to leverage local's campaign for independence.

Mayo district between Naf and Kaladn river were always Indic race. People bring the statistics of Sittwe or Akyab of british era but Akyab was developed a sea port by the british themselves and they brought bengalis and bamar alike from other palces. Increase of bamar population in Akyab far outnumber the bengalis at initial british era.

People are now getting cleansed from Mayo district.. the other places from south already been cleansed since 1948

 

[idune]

1.Attendees of OBOR Forum from South Asia nations:

Pakistan: PM, Srilanka: PM, Nepal: Vice PM.
India and Bhutan: Non, BD : An irrelevant minister, slightly better than India and Bhutan.

2. Military treaty with India, Grant a lot of sub contracts to India companies from 24 billion Chinese loan project, share Chinese money with indian hands.

3. Sonadia deep sea port project cancelled, Hmmm, due to pressure from India, US and Japan,
While Srilanka and Myanmar got no pressure from India, US and Japan when gave China Sea ports, Oil and Gas pipe lines. Now, we have sea ports in Pakistan,Srilanka,Myanmar and military base in Djibouti, fair enough to do something in Indian ocean.

4. Talking about buy J10B but we only see large amout of deals with Su30 and Mig35.
China as BD's "most important, strategy, trustfully Friend" only in Words, but in reality we all know it is India first policy!!!

What you stated, I agree 100%. In fact, if you dig out old threads I created, I have argued endlessly that regime in Bangladesh had taken flawed policy. That being said, one thing China has to (and most likely does) consider - regime that is in Bangladesh is an indian puppet. That is why Sonadia deep sea port and many other projects were stalled and cancelled. People of Bangladesh also helpless in face of massive killing and gun power used by the murderous indian puppet regime. People of Bangladesh and Bangladeshi institutions had different intention than indian puppet regime.

That being said, about Myanmar genocide, it was gross fault of indian puppet regime that
1) it was unable to detect that Myanmar was preparing for such genocide, when all signs were there
2) Even after Myanmar started genocide, puppet regime on indian instruction did not mobilize Bangladeshi defense force to prevent or discourage it.

These are all regime of Bangladesh fault because it acted for indian interest.

BUT it is clear that Myanmar regime drawn strength for continuous genocide from the fact China will protect Myanmar military junta and regime from sanction. For that part, Bangladeshi people rest of the world rightly blaming China. Chinese are trying to seel that under "self interest", "internal affairs" pretext but there is no escaping from that reality.

It appears, China had taken policy decision that since indian puppet regime already destroyed the relation with Bangladesh and China wish not to view Bangladesh relation as before. For that, Bangladeshi people should hold current regime and its supporters responsible and make them pay.

 

[Gibbs]

It's not only China, we are also criticizing India for its support to Myanmar.

Mate you seems to be one of the very few more sensible posters here wihtout resorting to personal attacks, among highly emotionally charged Bangladeshi's on this subject matter.. So just to give you a simple version of my point across, On why overt criticism of Chinese on this matter is unwarranted because..

That veto had nothing to do with China favoring it's bilateral relationship with Myanmar over Bangladesh

It was a matter of it's unyielding strong foreign policy of non interference in internal matters, They have been consistent on this unlike the Western block in the UNSC.. Though Indians will want to argue otherwise without much credence or facts due to their inherent fear of China

If they didnt use the veto they would have made a precedent in the future for the UN dominated by the western block of the US, UK and France to interfere in many other sovereign nations with the auspicious of the UN, Thus far they have intervened without the UN consent in many of the fecked up interventions around the world from Iraq to Libya and Vietnam, Just imagine if they do have a free hand

Abstaining of the veto by China and Russia would have meant that the Western block would have impinged on the sovereignty of Myanmar, Today it will be Myanmar tomorrow any nation that does not comply to thier startegic interests, Just remember the UK and US base their foreign policy on neo colonial policies, So yes even though the Rohingya issue is personally affecting Bangladeshi's they should also be aware what they wish for

Finally no civilized nation would want innocent civilians suffer from violence, And almost the whole world do sympathize with the Rohingya plight, But that does not mean they buy in the the one sided propaganda and the rhetoric either.. What the rest of the world could do imo is fund the Bangladeshi govt and humanitarian agencies to settle these people in safer places, By imposing them back to Myanmar would be detrimental in the long run, Unsettled fissures can blow up in the future with more disastrous consequences.. Rohingya's being more conservative Muslims may well be better overall in Muslim nations, They should take the lead in this

 

[UKBengali]

Mate you seems to be one of the very few more sensible posters here wihtout resorting to personal attacks, among highly emotionally charged Bangladeshi's on this subject matter.. So just to give you a simple version of my point across, On why overt criticism of Chinese on this matter is unwarranted because..

That veto had nothing to do with China favoring it's bilateral relationship with Myanmar over Bangladesh

It was a matter of it's unyielding strong foreign policy of non interference in internal matters, They have been consistent on this unlike the Western block in the UNSC.. Though Indians will want to argue otherwise without much credence or facts due to their inherent fear of China

If they didnt use the veto they would have made a precedent in the future for the UN dominated by the western block of the US, UK and France to interfere in many other sovereign nations with the auspicious of the UN, Thus far they have intervened without the UN consent in many of the fecked up interventions around the world from Iraq to Libya and Vietnam, Just imagine if they do have a free hand

Abstaining of the veto by China and Russia would have meant that the Western block would have impinged on the sovereignty of Myanmar, Today it will be Myanmar tomorrow any nation that does not comply to thier startegic interests, Just remember the UK and US base their foreign policy on neo colonial policies, So yes even though the Rohingya issue is personally affecting Bangladeshi's they should also be aware what they wish for

Finally no civilized nation would want innocent civilians suffer from violence, And almost the whole world do sympathize with the Rohingya plight, But that does not mean they buy in the the one sided propaganda and the rhetoric either.. What the rest of the world could do imo is fund the Bangladeshi govt and humanitarian agencies to settle these people in safer places, By imposing them back to Myanmar would be detrimental in the long run, Unsettled fissures can blow up in the future with more disastrous consequences.. Rohingya's being more conservative Muslims may well be better overall in Muslim nations, They should take the lead in this

Crimea.

 

[Gibbs]

Crimea.

I didnt mention anything about russian policy, The subject matter is unwarranted criticism of China by Bangladeshi posters

 

[UKBengali]

I didnt mention anything about russian policy, The subject matter is unwarranted criticism of China by Bangladeshi posters

China did not support UN action against Russia over Crimea.

 

[Species]

Mate you seems to be one of the very few more sensible posters here wihtout resorting to personal attacks, among highly emotionally charged Bangladeshi's on this subject matter.. So just to give you a simple version of my point across, On why overt criticism of Chinese on this matter is unwarranted because..

That veto had nothing to do with China favoring it's bilateral relationship with Myanmar over Bangladesh

It was a matter of it's unyielding strong foreign policy of non interference in internal matters, They have been consistent on this unlike the Western block in the UNSC.. Though Indians will want to argue otherwise without much credence or facts due to their inherent fear of China

If they didnt use the veto they would have made a precedent in the future for the UN dominated by the western block of the US, UK and France to interfere in many other sovereign nations with the auspicious of the UN, Thus far they have intervened without the UN consent in many of the fecked up interventions around the world from Iraq to Libya and Vietnam, Just imagine if they do have a free hand

Abstaining of the veto by China and Russia would have meant that the Western block would have impinged on the sovereignty of Myanmar, Today it will be Myanmar tomorrow any nation that does not comply to thier startegic interests, Just remember the UK and US base their foreign policy on neo colonial policies, So yes even though the Rohingya issue is personally affecting Bangladeshi's they should also be aware what they wish for

I'm not sure if you are closely following the events or not. There have been no proposals for military intervention in Myanmar, so suggestions of western intervention like Vietnam or Libya sounds like a straw man argument.

Rohingya's being more conservative Muslims may well be better overall in Muslim nations, They should take the lead in this

I presume you are living in a country which is culturally quite different to your own culture. Yet you are saying Rohingyas, being Muslims, should be settled in a Muslim country? That's quite hypocritic, to be honest.

 

[Gibbs]

I presume you are living in a country which is culturally quite different to your own culture. Yet you are saying Rohingyas, being Muslims, should be settled in a Muslim country? That's quite hypocritic, to be honest.

That was in context of the current complex situation, Myanmar does not consider Rohingya citizens of that country, And as far i'm concerned they do have some legitimate reasons to that, And i know my point of view on that drastically opposed to yours, Thats fine, Lets agree to disagree

But all i'm saying is forceful repatriation without the consent of the Myanmar will develop in to more dire consequences to these people in the long run, Is'nt it best that they should be settled in communities similar to them and where they wont face discrimination based on either their religious beliefs and ethnicity ?

I come from a minority community of a country that have been wrecked by civil strife for the longest time, Although non of the parties involved in that conflict were considered non citizens at any time, And i know the importance of assimilation not just to survive but to thrive

I'm not sure if you are closely following the events or not. There have been no proposals for military intervention in Myanmar

All interventions does not necessarily have to be military.. Libya and others highlighted were examples of the western bloc impinging on sovereignty even without the legitimate consent of the UN

China did not support UN action against Russia over Crimea.

It's still a prime example of China's non interference policy, It didnt support Russia in the UNSC either, No need to mention that Russia being a veto holder herself now do we, No one had a say in Crimea

 

[Species]

That was in context of the current complex situation, Myanmar does not consider Rohingya citizens of that country, And as far i'm concerned they do have some legitimate reasons to that, And i know my point of view on that drastically opposed to yours, Thats fine, Lets agree to disagree

But all i'm saying is forceful repatriation without the consent of the Myanmar will develop in to more dire consequences to these people in the long run, Is'nt it best that they should be settled in communities similar to them and where they wont face discrimination based on either their religious beliefs and ethnicity ?

I come from a minority community of a country that have been wrecked by civil strife for the longest time, Although non of the parties involved in that conflict were considered non citizens at any time, And i know the importance of assimilation not just to survive but to thrive

That's why we are proposing to create a safe zone for the safe repatriation of the refugees.

Again, we are talking about long-term consequences. Will Myanmar stop it here after getting done with the Rohingyas? Apparently, the ruling Bamars have issues with all other ethnicities in their country and the armed groups representing those ethnicities are far stronger than the ARSA. If Myanmar gets away with their genocide of Rohingyas, other ethnicities in Burma would be next in line.

The only solution to this crisis is the full implementation of the Annan Commission report.

All interventions does not necessarily have to be military..

Economic sanctions? Well, that would rather help Burma to escape what you termed the Western "neo-colonial policies".

 

[idune]

Myanmar does not consider Rohingya citizens of that country, And as far i'm concerned they do have some legitimate reasons to that, And i know my point of view on that drastically opposed to yours, Thats fine, Lets agree to disagree

So long you find legitimacy in root of Myanmar genocidal acts, you lost any legitimacy and moral standing to make civil arguments. Because you are supporting Myanmar military action to commit genocide. Don't try to be smart "Alec".

 

[Gibbs]

So long you find legitimacy in root of Myanmar genocidal acts, you lost any legitimacy and moral standing to make civil arguments. Because you are supporting Myanmar military action to commit genocide. Don't try to be smart "Alec".

If you cant differentiate arguments about citizenship from military action on combatants and non combatants , Thats solely due to your lack of comprehension skills

It's futile to have constructive discussions with emotionally selective simpletons, So i'd rather appreciate if you put me in to the ignore list if you're hypersensitive to counter arguments