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Listen to me all, someone in Pakistan gov supporting them for sure other wise koi maa ka lal chahay blakwater how yea peala water cannot stay in Pakistan. We need to fix our F!@#$% gov first then blame on intruders. SIMPLE!
 
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Buddy, Its the democratic government which has given approval to this.In last administration, there was no such thing as xe in Pakistan.
but Zardari Administration i think has given approval for infiltration of US intel in Pakistan in huge numbers.Now, COAS won't interfere as he has seen how Pakistanis disliked army when it was holding power...so i doubt Army will interfere until the tipping point where it is must for Army to intervene.Yes, i trust my Army more then people like Zaid Hamid.As far as American intel is concerned i doubt that is the problem they have been here since the 60's and they are accountable but xe is the problem.
Well it's the Army/ISI's job to stop the infiltration of harmful elements into and inside Pakistan. If they'll wait until the "tipping point", they're not doing their jobs.

And I am not defending the current government, but the fact that it is democratic will ensure that there are certain boundaries they do not cross. A military government never had to worry about this. But that's a separate issue.

This expansion may have been allowed by the government, but it is being enabled by the military. I am not suggesting that both the government and the military are aiding the US turn us into a military base. What I am saying is that neither are doing their jobs properly in this regard. Of course, I will be the first to admit, I know very little about the situation. For all I know, this may well be a step towards making Pakistan safer. But it doesn't look that to me.

Absolutely..It is the state that allowed this..Now some Pakistanis might even blame Army for this that they are not taking action.I hope Army stays in barracks and Pakistanis learn a real lesson this time from democracy :).
Conspiracy theorists might suggest that that is exactly what they are doing. If they are, it's shameful and despicable. But I doubt that they are, they are not paid to teach us a lesson, but to protect.

By the way, what do you have against democracy? Would you rather live under some Saddam Hussain like dictator? Wait, don't answer that here, we'll pick out a more suitable thread.
 
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I was referring to the Status of Forces Agreement with GoP - now referring to these as Mercenaries - is that helpful??

Or maybe this Majlis - once again a Majlis that does nothing, the CJP is a hero, after all - could look in to the issue - no strykers, no revamped FC - may be in the long run that is preferable.

Muse,

The status of forces agreement that you refer to pertains to Pakistani Mod-Pentagon dealings. Those are legitimate and within the ambit of country-country military relations and we are aware of the scope of it and can monitor it.

Once you are out of the US military, you are no longer within that ambit. Even the former military advisers coming from the US should be kept under strict supervision and in contract of the services being performed without allowing any free lancing work.

The point you raise about FC is something different altogether. The trainers for the FC are already based in a Pakistani hosted location and belong to the US Armed forces. That training program is going apace. All these undercover security experts are a problem.
 
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See "contractor" in the SOFA - actually Shireen Mazari had a huge piece in "The News" Op/ed section a while back.

These people are there legitimately and they are covered under SOFA.
 
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Muse,

I have missed out on quite a bit of action. Any ideas where this article is?
 
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Well it's the Army/ISI's job to stop the infiltration of harmful elements into and inside Pakistan. If they'll wait until the "tipping point", they're not doing their jobs.

And I am not defending the current government, but the fact that it is democratic will ensure that there are certain boundaries they do not cross. A military government never had to worry about this. But that's a separate issue.

This expansion may have been allowed by the government, but it is being enabled by the military. I am not suggesting that both the government and the military are aiding the US turn us into a military base. What I am saying is that neither are doing their jobs properly in this regard. Of course, I will be the first to admit, I know very little about the situation. For all I know, this may well be a step towards making Pakistan safer. But it doesn't look that to me.


Conspiracy theorists might suggest that that is exactly what they are doing. If they are, it's shameful and despicable. But I doubt that they are, they are not paid to teach us a lesson, but to protect.

By the way, what do you have against democracy? Would you rather live under some Saddam Hussain like dictator? Wait, don't answer that here, we'll pick out a more suitable thread.
No, i am no fan of dictatorship but i find it hard to believe that BC is infiltrating with Army approval.In fact the government was popped up by US after they decided to ditch Musharraf..Keep in the mind this is the part of same politican who used to say if Musharraf remains in power Islamabad will fall to Terrorists..So to say that Army or ISI for that matter would act itself without approval from Government in the current scenerio although it will gain much popular support from people it is wrong.In fact few days there were reports in media that Intel agencies provided a list of report regarding XE activities in Pakistan.Remember, Intel agencies cannot execute any plan covertly or overtly until supported by government.Keep in mind that in 2007, BB asked for protection from Blackwater but army denied it.It is much harder for army to have a traitor General then a traitor President because a traitor General if he does something wrong will be overthrown by the Core Commandors and you cant find 15+ traitor generals.I am all for democracy but it should not be used to put blame on army.If the government was really worried or Army allowed xe the GOP would have somehow released the news to put all blame of Army.I don't think the allocation was base and other things to America was due to the fact that Army likes America..it was necessaray otherwise we would not get the M Aid required to fight afghan war and even the first war we had with INdia.
 
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I have missed out on quite a bit of action. Any ideas where this article is?


The piece appeared in the Op/Ed section of "The News International" - they have a op/ed archive and remember the piece was by Shireen Mazari
 
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If this is not the piece it will give you enogh key words to go further


US yearns for Pak capitulation

Saturday, March 08, 2008
Islamabad rejects new demands

By Shireen M Mazari

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has given them bases and logistic support as well as intelligence sharing but what the US is now demanding from Islamabad has shocked the Defence and Foreign Ministries and the initial reaction has been a rejection of what are highly intrusive demands for the US military and auxiliary personnel in Pakistan.

This scribe has learnt of the latest set of 11 demands the US has put to the Government of Pakistan through the Ministry of Defence. As one goes down the list of the demands, they become increasingly untenable.

The first demand is for granting of a status that is accorded to the technical and administrative staff of the US embassy. The second demand is that these personnel be allowed to enter and exit Pakistan on mere National Identification (for example a driving licence) that is without any visas.

Next, the US is demanding that Pakistan accept the legality of all US licences, which would include arms licences. This is followed by the demand that all these personnel be allowed to carry arms and wear uniforms as they wish, across the whole of Pakistan.

Then comes a demand that directly undermines our sovereignty – that the US criminal jurisdiction be applicable in Pakistan to US nationals. In other words, these personnel would not be subject to Pakistani law.

In territories of US allies like Japan, this condition exists in areas where there are US bases and has become a source of major resentment in Japan, especially because there are frequent cases of US soldiers raping Japanese women and getting away with it. In the context of Pakistan, the demand to make the US personnel above the Pakistani law would not be limited to any one part of the country! So the Pakistani citizens will become fair game for US military personnel as well as other auxiliary staff like military contractors.

The next demand is for exemption from all taxes, including indirect taxes like excise duty, etc. The seventh demand is for inspection-free import and export of all goods and materials. So we would not know what they are bringing in or taking out of our country – including Gandhara art as well as sensitive materials.

At number eight is the demand for free movement of vehicles, vessels including aircraft, without landing or parking fees! Then, at number nine, there is a specific demand that selected US contractors should also be exempted from tax payments.

At number ten there is the demand for free of cost use of US telecommunication systems and using all necessary radio spectrum. The final demand is the most dangerous and is linked to the demand for non-applicability of Pakistani law for US personnel. Demand number eleven is for a waiver of all claims to damage to loss or destruction of others’ property, or death to personnel or armed forces or civilians. The US has tried to be smart by not using the word "other" for death but, given the context, clearly it implies that US personnel can maim and kill Pakistanis and destroy our infrastructure and weaponry with impunity
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Effectively, if accepted, these demands would give the US personnel complete freedom to do as they please in Pakistan – in fact, they would take control of events in areas of their interest.

It is no wonder then that Pakistan's Defence Ministry, the Foreign Office and the Law Ministry have reacted with complete rejection. But, as one official source feared, "This is just the opening salvo of demands and the US can be expected to bargain in order to seek the most critical of these demands."

As he put it, "Any hesitation or weakness that the US senses on part of Pakistan will put us on a fatal slippery slope to total submission. This would result in increasing instability in the country."

So, for those who feel there is bonhomie and complete understanding between the Pakistan military and the US military, and the trouble only exists at the political level, it is time to do a serious rethink. The first step in dealing rationally with our indigenous terrorist problem holistically and credibly is to create space between ourselves and the US. As the US adage goes: "There is no free lunch". For Pakistan lunching with the US has become unacceptably costly. When US embassy in Islamabad was approached for reaction to this report, Elizabeth Colton, US Embassy Spokesperson, said, "We will not dignify this attack with a comment."
 
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but anyway i was wondering why US needs Xe in Pakistan now..?The situation is much better then 2007..whats the reason?
 
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Patriot


Mangal Bagh kept 1000 Pakistani Khasadar at home with a single radio broadcast - things are improving? -- it's kind of a mixed picture, there really is a lot of work left to do, if they are willing to do it, that is.

People on this thread have come up with some excellent questions, ideally of course Majlis committees need to be asking the questions.

So, Xe, pros no damn good eh? Wrong. They are good at what they do, don't blame them for doing a job that needs doing.
 
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Well it's the Army/ISI's job to stop the infiltration of harmful elements into and inside Pakistan. If they'll wait until the "tipping point", they're not doing their jobs.

And I am not defending the current government, but the fact that it is democratic will ensure that there are certain boundaries they do not cross. A military government never had to worry about this. But that's a separate issue.

This expansion may have been allowed by the government, but it is being enabled by the military. I am not suggesting that both the government and the military are aiding the US turn us into a military base. What I am saying is that neither are doing their jobs properly in this regard. Of course, I will be the first to admit, I know very little about the situation. For all I know, this may well be a step towards making Pakistan safer. But it doesn't look that to me.


Conspiracy theorists might suggest that that is exactly what they are doing. If they are, it's shameful and despicable. But I doubt that they are, they are not paid to teach us a lesson, but to protect.

By the way, what do you have against democracy? Would you rather live under some Saddam Hussain like dictator? Wait, don't answer that here, we'll pick out a more suitable thread.

I don't think Pakistani Defenders are sleeping and ISI has closed its eyes and are not monitoring american activities have a look at this news.

Retired captain held for ‘links’ with anti-state network

By Munawer Azeem
Thursday, 17 Sep, 2009 | 05:00 AM PST |

ISLAMABAD: A retired army captain was picked up by a joint team of police and an intelligence agency :pakistan: from the outskirts of the city on Wednesday for his alleged links with an anti-state network.

Sources said that the suspect was picked up during a raid in Rawat. Sources said that the retired captain lived in Islamabad’s posh F-/6 area and worked in the artillery department of Pakistan Army before he was forced to retire :tdown:. Once he contested the general election for a National Assembly seat from the capital.

The suspect runs a company, ‘Care and Carrying’, in Rawat, where retired personnel of security forces and security guards are trained in anti-terrorism skills by a private foreign company.

The sources said that 200 personnel who had recently completed training were deployed with officials of the foreign company in Islamabad and Peshawar.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Retired captain held for ?links? with anti-state network
 
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Pakistanis Being Hired by American Private security company, For anti-terrorist activities in Islamabad and Peshawar, 200 personnel trained so far........,

Does these above statements ring bells in your ears,, well don't worry There are more Patriotic Pakistani (in Agencies) in Pakistan Than here on :pdf: Just Kidding no offense intended :smitten::azn:.
 
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Listen to me all, someone in Pakistan gov supporting them for sure other wise koi maa ka lal chahay blakwater how yea peala water cannot stay in Pakistan. We need to fix our F!@#$% gov first then blame on intruders. SIMPLE!


Not some one there's got to many of these morons ready to sell ths country, but here i must mention one i.e. Husain Haqqani, our bloody ambassador, Now that ambassador will advice Gov of Pak & agencies what to do, bring this moron back to home...



Our Fifth Column Ambassador

Recently it has been disclosed to Pakistani public that Xe (Blackwater) has been operating in Pakistan. The latest blow in this regard came from none other than our own Ambassador to US, Mr. Husain Haqqani.

Haqqani has written letters to Pakistan Interior Ministry, Pakistan Foreign Office and to Pakistan’s ISI ordering them to allow Americans into Pakistan indiscriminately without carrying out any background checks – trying to serve his US masters by ‘warning’ the ISI and Interior Ministry that not doing so will ‘hurt Pakistan’s image’ and may lead to cancellation of US aid. This is just one of the many examples where he has acted against Pakistani interests.

It has been reported recently that Haqqani issued 360 discretionary visas to US individuals including Craig Davis of Blackwater who was recently deported from Pakistan. Haqqani also reissued visas without approval of the foreign office and the intelligence agencies.


Husain Haqqani is Pakistan’s ambassador to US, but most of the time he is presenting himself as a mouth piece of Washington DC. Rather than serve Pakistan’s interest in DC, he is serving the interest of his masters in DC. The main point is how Haqqani was able to grab the Ambassador’s chair in DC.

Looking back at Haqqani’s record, he has always been an opportunist. He began his career with Jamat-e-Islami, he was part of the Jamat since his time at Karachi University, and was an ordinary member of the Jamat and like other members of the Jamat burning their skin under the sun in aimless protests, Haqqani used to do the same. But his appetite to achieve higher grounds made him leave the Jamat and join hands with Nawaz Sharif, who has a habit of taking ordinary journalists ambassadors on visits abroad. In order to hide his Jamati past he wrote a book, Pakistan: ‘Between the Mosque and Military’, a sure-fire trait of every self hating complex infused Pakistani – first they write a book that defames Pakistan, then they go to US and join a think tank that flourishes on anti-Pakistan or anti-Islam fervor.
From the start of his journalistic career, Haqqani was writing for pro-US establishment newspapers like Wall Street Journal, New York Times, as well as the Indian Express and Daily Star of Bangladesh.

When he came to US in 2002 he realized that the best way to gain quick success is creating a big hype about Islamophobia. He noticed that there was a huge opportunity in selling Islamphobia to the naive and scared American public.

“In the grand tradition of “Orientalism”, this new FOB (Fresh of the boat) man jumped on the neo-con bandwagon and stabbed the Civil Rights Movement in the heart. Mr. Husain Haqqani’s incorrect, false and incendiary statements caused havoc with the normal functioning of the great American Democracy. Hackles were raised. If a man named Husain said this, it must be true. If a Pakistani said this it must have veracity”, says Moin Ansari of RupeeNews.(any one can ignore this Rupee News)
In the US Haqqani advocated strongly against Pakistan Army and Kashmiri Mujahedeen. Where ever he went to speak he stressed upon the need for Pakistan to reign in its mujahedeen and for the army to stop pursuing the same Kashmir Policy that Pakistan’s founding father, Mohammad Ali Jinnah made.

Haqqani joined Boston University faculty as assistant professor in 2004. The question that should be asked of a reputed university like BU is why a man with an average educational background and without a PhD was allowed to join their faculty?

Considering that the next step in Mr. Haqqani’s career was going on to become Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US, there is definitely a helping hand behind him.

For his loyal service to his masters Haqqani was made the co-chair of Hudson’s Centre on Islam, Democracy and the Future of the Muslim World. The Washington, D.C.-based Hudson Institute has its own think-tanks with a diverse mix of neo-conservatives and Pakistani Neo-cons. Hudson Institute’s CID was established by Hillel Fradkin, a Neocon signatory to the PNACs (Project for New American Century).

Moin Ansari gives us further insight on our ambassador:

“What irked Pakistani Americans most about Mr. Haqqani’s writings were his insinuations innuendo and portrayal of false history about Islam in America. His most egregious offense was to cast doubt on the loyalty of Muslims in America. His portrayal of terrorists’ cells and sleeper cells mirrored the writings of Dr. Emersen, Robert Spencer, David Harowitz, Michelle Milkin and others the worst Islamphobes in the planet. For example Mr. Haqqani’s article with the innocuous title “The Politicization of American Islam” is a ticking time bomb for American Muslims. It is exactly these type of writings that have encouraged Michelle Malken to write “The Case for internment”, a book that propounds the thesis that the internment of innocent American citizens who happened to be Japanese.

However he has more than a few skeletons in his closet. He has a closet full of skeletons. For the past decade his sordid connections with the Neo-cons and their think tanks created this tsunami of Islamphobic rhetoric that eventually turned into a crescendo of Anti-Pakistan balderdash.

“Previously he has collaborated with another neo-con pundit, Stephen Schwartz on the Institute for Islamic Progress and Peace, a project of the notorious Islamophobe Zionist Daniel Pipes. While on a tour Schwartz to promote the think tank, both were reported attacking mainstream American Muslim organizations. They claimed that “extremists dominate all of the major Muslim advocacy groups”.

Haqqani has worked with think tanks like Brookings Institute, Hudson Institute, and others. All these think tanks pay good money to researchers who defame Pakistan and Islam. In 2004, along with Stephen Schwartz (writer for the ultra-right FrontPage Magazine, Weekly Standard and National Review; Stephen Schwartz was part of the Islamofascism drive that took place in university campuses in the US. Haqqani co-founded the Institute for Islamic Progress and Peace (IIPP), tasked with the neo-con project of “religion building”.

Jim Lobe, “US: From nation-building to religion-building”, Asia Times, April 9, 2004.

They attacked US based Muslim advocacy groups such as the Islamic Society of North America, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Muslim Students Association. Critics of Israel were hit with the familiar “anti-Semitism” charge. During a tour promoting IIPP, they advised members of a Jewish advocacy group and the Jewish Community Federation that “the Jewish lobby has to organize, write letters, and continue to contribute to politicians to counter the Saudi lobby, which has extraordinary influence in Washington, D.C.”

The following is a press release of AIPAC that shows Haqqani was invited to speak at its seminar. AIPAC is American Israeli Political Action Committee. It is the most powerful Zionist organization in the US. Details of its venomous past are catalogued fully in the bestseller book, “The Israel lobby and the US foreign policy” by Stephen Waltz and John Mearsheimer.

http://www.aipac.org/Publications/PressAIPACStatements/PC_07_Advisory_7_WEB_FINAL_03.09.07.pdf

http://www.srf.org/databank/documents/12_doc.pdf

Mr. Haqqani addressed the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs (JINSA). The tone and content of his speech disparaged Pakistan and Pakistanis. There Haqqani talked about,
“Dealing with a Difficult Ally; Pakistan’s Tenuous Role in American Foreign Policy”. He outlines trouble spots in Pakistan-US relations.

“Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are two of the United State’s most difficult allies. Why difficult? Because there are those who would argue they are not allies at all… but are, in fact sources of trouble.”

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In picutre:Haqqani at Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs (JINSA)

Speaking before a standing-room only crowd at the JINSA Policy Forum on March 2, 2004, Husain Haqqani, and visiting Scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace shared insights into four alarming trends with the potential to seriously complicate American relations with Pakistan. These trends, he said, are nuclear weapons proliferation, Pakistan’s role as a center of an Islamic militant movement, the continued precariousness of South Asian regional politics, and domestic issues complicating Pakistani efforts towards international engagements. Haqqani reiterated the pressing danger of Pakistani-orchestrated nuclear arms proliferation.

“Though such dangers have been recognized by the American government as a growing security threat,” he explained, “There is going to be no consequences for Pakistan, because Pakistan is cooperating with the United States in the hunt for Bin Laden.” Husain Haqqani during JINSA’s March 2, 2004 Policy Forum

Pakistan’s Role as a Center of a Militant Islamic Movement

Haqqani suggested that Pakistan also has, and continues, to serve as the center of an Islamic militant movement. Abul Alaa Maududi, founder of Pakistan’s Jamaat-e-Islami movement, authored Jihad for Islam, a seminal work regarded by Haqqani and others “as the boiler plate for subsequent developments in that whole theory about global Jihadist effort.”

Haqqani suggested that “Pakistan’s military for strategic reasons has allied with Islamic militancy time and time again, and it was the alliance between the mosque and the militancy which produced things like the Taliban”
This is hypocrisy at its best as it was Haqqani who was part of Jamat-e-Islami, a group that he is now speaking againt. Perhaps he should shed some light on his own connections with it in the start of his political career.

Shedding light on the arms race in South Asia, our wizard ambassador says, “The Pakistani military, like all pretorian militaries, basically does not want to relinquish power. So therefore they have to keep the South Asian competition alive.”

Concerns over “nuclear weapons, Islamic militancy, extreme poverty, and a military that doesn’t want to relinquish power” exist in Pakistan, Haqqani noted.

Haqqani is married to FarahNaz Ispahani, who is at the moment spokesperson for President Zardari.
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She has worked in numerous media outlets and organizations known as mouth pieces of CIA or US establishment – Voice of America, CNN, ABC, and other groups.
Like her husband Ispahani has also worked closely with neo-cons or pro CIA elements during her career, which explains her now sitting comfortably at the President house in Islamabad. Ispahani is also the member of Pakistan’s rubber stamp parliament; she got one of the seats reserved for women of Sind.

This is just a small summary of the nefarious activities and a commentary on the shifting loyalties of Mr. Haqqani and her spouse. There is enough material available to write a book. We must recognize that such people have not only bypassed the merits of Pakistan’s Foreign Service but also inflicted damage to our national interests, and will continue to do so as long as they are in office.


Source: The Politicization of American Islam Center on Islam, Democracy and the Future of the Muslim World

The Politicization of American Islam by Husain Haqqani Published on Tuesday, March 18, 2008
http://www.turkses.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1408&Itemid=36

http://www.srf.org/databank/documents/12_doc.pdf

US Center for National Policy discusses Pakistan Crisis Pakistan Politics

Our Fifth Column Ambassador Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz
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Here some ppl will say that most of things complied in this article are by Moin Ansari, but they must also know that this is not one of those BS articles by him, he has just complied events & Haqqani's deeds & his articles
 
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