Black day in Kashmir: Protesters urged to breach LoC

[twoplustwoisfour]

There is about 10-12 million people in the whole of kashmir with probably 5-7 million voters.
A lot of the land is mountains and empty spaces so taking all that onboard it would not take that long to hold a vote.
Countries with a bigger population then kashmir can hold a vote nationwide in one day so am pretty sure the same can be done in kashmir over a couple of days.

Are you kidding me? The last elections in J&K were held in 7 phases. That's SEVEN. That's Indian held territory alone. I hope you agree that holding free and fair elections is not an easy task, specially in a volatile territory as unified J&K.

Why dont we have election in a couple of district of kashmir on both sides......the districts that run parallel on the LOC can have elections the same day.

Can be done if both India and Pakistan agree for the same. But currently, none of the two seem to be in favour of a referendum.

Thats where you have to accept UN-international monitors.

India already has UN/international monitors in J&K. Pakistan doesn't. Go figure.

What happens if AJK vote to become a part of pakistan......will you still be holding elections or coming out with the excuses.

That's exactly what I'm saying. It'll put tremendous pressure on India. The world community will suddenly be awakened to the Kashmiri cause. Isn't that what you want?

And also the onus is not on pakistan to hold any election

Yes it is because they are the ones harping about it.

or is there any demand in the AJK for a unilateral move on the issue.
The killings and protest are taking place in IOK and not AJK,so its more on you to hold elctions then it is on us.We have said from the start that we are willing to hold elctions as long as you come out and do the same and say it in public.
It really simple follow the UN.

The killings are unfortunate. What is even more unfortunate is that a set of people are using those killings to push their own agenda.

 

[The HBS Guy]

Its always "wasting time" when your arguments are blown apart!!!!

What argument? There is no argument!

I'm telling you, you either fight a nuclear war with us, prevail over us and then take kashmir or accept LoC as International border.

What is there to argue in this? This is simple english.

 

[Prometheus]

Simla Agreement

"In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."

Well the Simla Agreement is void since you invaded sachin!

How did you say it.?......oh yeah....Simla Agreement can rot in the bin!!!!

We the evil bharatis are very cunning people.....................we changed the LOC............

1972 agreement still stands..............Long live Pakistan

Am I missing something???????

Oh yeah................UN resolution can rot in the Bin.
Evil Bharat can live the status quo for 100 more without any sweat

 

[LaBong]

Naaaa dont think so.




The UN only has to choices when it comes to kashmir....its either india or pakistan.
Its you that need the "moral highground" after all the kashmiris killed by the indian army where killed by you and not us.
You indians have been going down the "same fruitless way" for decades and it has got you nothing.
From no freedom movement in kashmir a few decades ago you have had a full blown freedom fight on your hands in the last so many decades.Its only getting worse for you guys not better.

Once again we are happy with the status quo, so we don't have to prove a moral high ground to others. We are already holding our part of Kashmir and have no intention to get Pakistani part of Kashmir.

If it has only two option, ie. India and Pakistan, then it's a territorial fight between indo-pak, not struggle for freedom as it's been touted!

 

[Pagla Dashu]

Just what i expected.......denial mode.

You haven't provided any fact to deny. It was merely an opinion with which I disagreed. You however avoided to take up the points of disagreement.

Any special reason?

 

[Pagla Dashu]

I think you need to try again..........proved totally wrong and now take it like a man.

Proved me wrong? When? Where?

 

[KS]

Simla Agreement

"In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."

Well the Simla Agreement is void since you invaded sachin!

How did you say it.?......oh yeah....Simla Agreement can rot in the bin!!!!

Cool...so whatever was left can rot in the trash bin after Kargil....We are even and if you have the might take Kashmir from us.

OT: .People of "Azad" Kashmir,,,,Beware you might get the same treatment that Shabir Shah got in Jammu

 

[hellofriends]

i don't know why pakistan, jihadi and some indian-pakistani trying do this. everyone including pak govt. knows it they can't occupy kashmir from india. they know it india is much stronger than pakistan. it is impossible for them and it's also true that indian kashmir is much better than pak kashmir in the term of development.

 

[Bang Galore]

Simla Agreement

"In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."

Well the Simla Agreement is void since you invaded sachin!

How did you say it.?......oh yeah....Simla Agreement can rot in the bin!!!!

Simla agreement makes that point for the LoC. Siachin is not on the LoC, it's on the LoAC. Need to read up before unloading here.

 

[dabong1]

Simla agreement makes that point for the LoC. Siachin is not on the LoC, it's on the LoAC. Need to read up before unloading here.

What bit of Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."
Dont you understand?

 

[Pagla Dashu]

What bit of Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."
Dont you understand?

I guess, the part that says 'alter'. And also the part that says 'unilateral'.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Here you go:

Simla Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The text you quoted in part is:

(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.

Nowhere does it mention the Line of Actual Control.

 

[Pagla Dashu]

^^Just a quick addendum.

The LoC is what has been defined as, and accepted by both India and Pakistan, and recognized by UN, in Karachi Agreement, 1949.

 

[dabong1]

Here you go:

Simla Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The text you quoted in part is:



Nowhere does it mention the Line of Actual Control.

"irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."

 

[Rig Vedic]

There are only two ways to give independence to Kashmir. Either Pakistan and India both jointly agree to a UN administered plebiscite or we fight each other.

It is India that does not agree to the plebiscite and hence we have to fight.

why wait for India, give independence to Gilgit-Baltistan and "Azad" Kashmir.