BJP Youth Leader Gowhar Ahmed Bhat Killed By Terrorists In Kashmir

[Joe Shearer]

I am not a brahmin neither a dalit, but not sure why this post of yours rubbed me in a wrong way. Perhaps its has some annotation attached to it which doesn't simply signals out brahmins but Indians in general.

Pretty rich coming from you doc. Not too long back you were a shiv sainik, is that the reason you see a first resistance coming from marathas?

@Joe Shearer Sir, 99% times I do find my thoughts in your posts, this is one of the rare where I would respectfully disagree.

The person killed, perhaps was not killed for his specific political agenda and ideology, but because he has a political affiliation. We should condemn this act of discouraging political set up in valley, we need youth to have an ideology to fight within democratic framework which is open to all workable ideologies. Our nation accommodated even the RSS and others, not for what RSS bring to table, but to uphold values democracy brings in.

There is nothing in your post that I can't agree with, considering that I condoled his death, and mentioned his political ideology with a qualification. I agree that terror should not be allowed to discourage political activity; what more do you expect me to say?

And I resoundingly agree with your final sentence.

Typical Pseudo-liberals who think if someone doesn't agree with them then he might be from the opposite side.

I assume nobody cared about you if they did you might not have turned out to be this person. I hope you find your vanity in strange lands.

Once you get a good translator, do let me know.

I have more respected for my enemies than worms like you.

Do you think that your enemies care? Do you think they waste time on Internet Hindus? They certainly seem to have respect for worms.

Typical Pseudo-liberals who think if someone doesn't agree with them then he might be from the opposite side.

I assume nobody cared about you if they did you might not have turned out to be this person. I hope you find your vanity in strange lands.

Typical fascist who thinks that anybody who doesn't agree with them should be hunted by a pack.

 

[oOo]

As an objective reader, I am forced to conclude that you are unable to provide any concrete example of "RSS conspiracy".

So annoying you are. Quote me accusing RSS of conspiracies.

As expected, all you have to offer is "Opinion" based on your "gut feel". That makes you a hypocrite. Especially when attempting to debate rationally on "evidence" and all you are furnish is "your ability to take cognizance" and draw convenient conclusions.

Yes, I need to record and present here to you the discussions when I am among sanghis.

We never had "caste" Before the British. We had "Varna" and "Jaathi". Varna which was formed to assimilate people from various Jaathi's and form a Egalitarian society.

You are telling that to a rajput zamindar whose ancestors has done so bad things based on your legitimate varna and jaathis.

The islamic invasion destroyed the schools and universities that provided equal opportunity via education.

Any more joke you have?

This is what happens when prejudice color your opinion instead of Facts. A prejudice that is introduced deliberate by the british developed educations system designed to make a Hindu ashamed of his own culture and history.

A culture not strong enough to counter islamic invasion. I read Babar came with 12000 men.
History? Lets go to Treta and dwapar to salvage some pride.

While every other nation teach History as a serious of Victories , our history is taught as a series of Defeats and we are taught to celebrate these defeats and conquests as "prof of our tolerance and assimilation". Do you know what the end result looks like ?

Your grandparents were not a free man, what history you want to read? Tempered one? Or that sounds as a music to ears.

There is the difference between "dedicate their LIVES for the Nation" and "blowing them-self up for their beliefs".

They are also blowing up for caliphate nation.

That you would even attempt to draw a parallel between them, tells us about your deep rooted prejudice that over ride any and all logic and rational taught.

I am a free soul with no allegiance to anyone, I can see through everyone. That's my prejudice, that I favor none.

LOL.... how so ? YOU are the one who introduced the world "saint".

So RSS is saint? I said they are not. Let me hear your definition and see how these unmarried qualified as saints.

In the Indian and Hindu context, we admire people like Bhishma who scarified their dreams and desires for the welfare of others or to keep a promise. Same goes for a man called "Bharat" (brother of Sri. Ram).

Bhisma? We are told we are descendants of same family. You want to talk about Bhishma? He fought for the supposed evil and could not save the throne from evil.

These are not "stawmen" but our culture, history and the nature of our society. Maybe you are confusing us with British society.

Who us? Me or you or else?

 

[thesolar65]

RIP

 

[Kdpreddy]

Bhisma? We are told we are descendants of same family. You want to talk about Bhishma? He fought for the supposed evil and could not save the throne from evil.

Evil?!
Just this quote of yours shows you have no understanding of Hinduism or it's books.

Mahabharatha was not about Good Vs Evil.
It's about Dharma Vs Adharma.

Do you even understand the meaning behind the death of Lord Krishna in how he was killed & why?

Stop masquerading as an intellectual when you lack the basic understanding of what our history represents.

 

[oOo]

Evil?!
Just this quote of yours shows you have no understanding of Hinduism or it's books.

Mahabharatha was not about Good Vs Evil.
It's about Dharma Vs Adharma.

Do you even understand the meaning behind the death of Lord Krishna in how he was killed & why?

Stop masquerading as an intellectual when you lack the basic understanding of what our history represents.

Tell me simple thing, can someone who doesn't qualifies as the rightful owner of the throne, could grab it by force without fighting and defeating Bhishma? Why would Bhisma fought for Kauravas if they were not the rightful owner?

History is written by winners who survive, not the dead bodies.

@Kdpreddy Dear learned one, did he not fought for the supposed evil i.e. Kauravas?

 

[padamchen]

That make us (me and you(if you feel one of us) included) collectively cowards, not just they. We were equal party, however we can keep on debating the quantum of responsibility.

We shall not shed the burden of uneasy history of ours by putting on someone else shoulders.



I concur with a lot in your post, so I need not to give any counter argument. I am a free citizen, educated and have the ability to take into cognizance the behavior, tactics and deeds of political parties or organizations and they need not to be officially documented. You are selectively picking my post, go through it once and you will understand from where I am coming from. Where do you see a congress apologist in me? But shall I deny all good work done by congress in its history of century? That will make me a bigot.

Caste was there before British as well, we as a society created that, and we carried it forward. Not me, you or congress but collective masses.



I can't help but to chose this sentence of yours to reply as its completely superficial and flawed.
What about those who do not marry and chose a path to kill in name of doing some holy war? Heck they blow themselves for their version of nation and holy war. Shall I call them saints?



Straw man.

No it does not. I'm a Parsi and a Maratha.

Fighting Islamic tyranny is what we do.

There is no bow or adjustment in us. No compromise or connivance.

Never forget that in spite of our small numbers, we threw armies of our young men against the Muslim invaders. Alongside Shivaji's forces.

If the rest of India hadn't been as gutless, we would never have had a thousand years under a foreign yoke.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kdpreddy]

Tell me simple thing, can someone who doesn't qualifies as the rightful owner of the throne, could grab it by force without fighting and defeating Bhishma? Why would Bhisma fought for Kauravas if they were not the rightful owner?

History is written by winners who survive, not the dead bodies.

@Kdpreddy Dear learned one, did he not fought for the supposed evil i.e. Kauravas?

Dear Lord, is this your understanding of Mahabharata?

Bhisma pledged to the throne - He was doing his dharma.
Karna pledged to Duryodhana - He was doing his dharma.

There was no winners of Kurukshethra. You should read what happened to Pandavas right after the war. You should read what happened to Lord Krishna and how he died.

Please spare yourself and stop exposing your basic knowledge of our history.

Good vs Evil is a construct of western philosophy. Not Ours.

 

[Gadkari]

So annoying you are. Quote me accusing RSS of conspiracies.

It was implied "still do not see myself aligned with their objective and tactics"

Yes, I need to record and present here to you the discussions when I am among sanghis.

Name calling when unable to provide logical argument. Evidence ? "sanghis"

There is some thing called the "internet" which will release you from the burden of "recording and presenting". Evidence of intellectual dishonesty.

You are telling that to a rajput zamindar whose ancestors has done so bad things based on your legitimate varna and jaathis.

LOL. "Zamindar" itself is a British creation you idiot.

A Zamindar was a Tax collector and enforcer for the East India company (established by "lord" Cornwallis in 1793) who ensured only Opium and Indigo grew on the land while the people starved. It had NOTHING to do with either "Varna" or "Jaathi".

Any more joke you have?

If this continues, I will have plenty of material. Be careful what you wish for.

Most Indian gurukuls were attached to temples back in the days. Run from grants from the local king. Now tell me again, how many temples were demolished in India ? How many universities ?

A culture not strong enough to counter islamic invasion. I read Babar came with 12000 men.
History? Lets go to Treta and dwapar to salvage some pride.

LOL. Are you for Real ?

Daulat Khan Lodi, a rebel of the Lodhi dynasty, invited Babur to overthrow Ibrahim and become ruler. It was one muslim fighting a second muslim on the invitation of a third muslim.

Your grandparents were not a free man, what history you want to read? Tempered one? Or that sounds as a music to ears.

My grandparents were free men in the kingdom of Travancore in Kerala. (One of who was even a minister to the king ). Kerala was a free kingdom till the very end, a princely state in the British empire. Do not assume you know me.

Take your own advice and take the effort to read history. Not the marxist propaganda masquerading as history, the real history of India.

They are also blowing up for caliphate nation.

So ? How is it any different from the last 1000 years of islamic history ? Just more of the same.

I am a free soul with no allegiance to anyone, I can see through everyone. That's my prejudice, that I favor none.

I have no problem with who you are. Only with what you post.

So RSS is saint? I said they are not. Let me hear your definition and see how these unmarried qualified as saints.

RSS ideology is " commitment to selfless service to India". Their name is Rashtriya Swayam Sevak a.k.a "offering one self for the Nation".

Sounds pretty noble and saintly to me. Indian "saint", no the british variety.

Bhisma? We are told we are descendants of same family. You want to talk about Bhishma? He fought for the supposed evil and could not save the throne from evil.

Bhishma fought to keep his promise and for honor. Which is why he is admired by all Hindus EVEN THOUGH he fought on the side of "evil". THAT is the Indian way, the Hindu ethos. The Hindu way of life.

Who us? Me or you or else?

Pretty sure its not me. Why not take a hard look at yourself in the light of my post ?

 

[Dash]

You make a very pertinent point about sanghis.

Their enemies were always within.

And they have a long history of collusion with external hostile forces to stick it to insiders they hate.

Such is apparent not only on PDF but other social media as well,and through history.

Their forefathers, the Brahmins, did the same when Islamic forces marched virtually unimpeded deep into India all the way to the Deccan before coming up against the Maratha.

Gutless cowards.

Cheers, Doc

So why didn’t the non Brahmins stop them then? We’re they hibernating in Antarctica?

If they were so brave.

 

[oOo]

Bhisma pledged to the throne - He was doing his dharma.

So if he pledged to the throne, how come someone who is not rightfully qualified for the throne got to the throne in his presence? So any xyz can capture the throne and Bhisma would start taking orders from him?

Its just equivalent of Indian Army General start taking orders from Chinese Xi if Xi occupies the PM house and PMO.

Let me see how well versed you are with Mahabharata understanding. Its just a start, would be fun.

 

[padamchen]

So why didn’t the non Brahmins stop them then? We’re they hibernating in Antarctica?

If they were so brave.

They did.

Who do you think the Maratha were.

Even the Peshwa were first shorn of all bamman trappings and trained in the art of war.

Cheers, Doc

 

[oOo]

It was implied "still do not see myself aligned with their objective and tactics"



Name calling when unable to provide logical argument. Evidence ? "sanghis"

There is some thing called the "internet" which will release you from the burden of "recording and presenting". Evidence of intellectual dishonesty.



LOL. "Zamindar" itself is a British creation you idiot.

A Zamindar was a Tax collector and enforcer for the East India company (established by "lord" Cornwallis in 1793) who ensured only Opium and Indigo grew on the land while the people starved. It had NOTHING to do with either "Varna" or "Jaathi".



If this continues, I will have plenty of material. Be careful what you wish for.

Most Indian gurukuls were attached to temples back in the days. Run from grants from the local king. Now tell me again, how many temples were demolished in India ? How many universities ?

LOL. Are you for Real ?

Daulat Khan Lodi, a rebel of the Lodhi dynasty, invited Babur to overthrow Ibrahim and become ruler. It was one muslim fighting a second muslim on the invitation of a third muslim.




My grandparents were free men in the kingdom of Travancore in Kerala. (One of who was even a minister to the king ). Kerala was a free kingdom till the very end, a princely state in the British empire. Do not assume you know me.

Take your own advice and take the effort to read history. Not the marxist propaganda masquerading as history, the real history of India.



So ? How is it any different from the last 1000 years of islamic history ? Just more of the same.



I have no problem with who you are. Only with what you post.



RSS ideology is " commitment to selfless service to India". Their name is Rashtriya Swayam Sevak a.k.a "offering one self for the Nation".

Sounds pretty noble and saintly to me. Indian "saint", no the british variety.



Bhishma fought to keep his promise and for honor. Which is why he is admired by all Hindus EVEN THOUGH he fought on the side of "evil". THAT is the Indian way, the Hindu ethos. The Hindu way of life.



Pretty sure its not me. Why not take a hard look at yourself in the light of my post ?

Man, I have found a more interesting chap who want to discuss Mahabharata. See you in sometime.

Join in to understand what was wrong with Bhisma and his pledge.

 

[Kdpreddy]

So if he pledged to the throne, how come someone who is not rightfully qualified for the throne got to the throne in his presence? So any xyz can capture the throne and Bhisma would start taking orders from him?

Its just equivalent of Indian Army General start taking orders from Chinese Xi if Xi occupies the PM house and PMO.

Let me see how well versed you are with Mahabharata understanding. Its just a start, would be fun.

What are you talking about mate?

Are you on drugs or something? Stop making a complete clown of yourself.

 

[oOo]

No it does not. I'm a Parsi and a Maratha.

Fighting Islamic tyranny is what we do.

There is no bow or adjustment in us. No compromise or connivance.

Never forget that in spite of our small numbers, we threw armies of our young men against the Muslim invaders. Alongside Shivaji's forces.

If the rest of India hadn't been as gutless, we would never have had a thousand years under a foreign yoke.

Cheers, Doc

Then respect to dead marathas who fought, rest were cowards to survive a slave life.

Welcome to the club of cowards doc.

By the way, didn't you surrendered to islamic invasion in Persia?

What are you talking about mate?

Are you on drugs or something? Stop making a complete clown of yourself.

So no plausible answers, good. Now please excuse and remain deluded with what you are fed with. You are no better than a programmed chip.

 

[Gadkari]

So if he pledged to the throne, how come someone who is not rightfully qualified for the throne got to the throne in his presence? So any xyz can capture the throne and Bhisma would start taking orders from him?

Its just equivalent of Indian Army General start taking orders from Chinese Xi if Xi occupies the PM house and PMO.

Let me see how well versed you are with Mahabharata understanding. Its just a start, would be fun.

Even today, the Indian army general takes the pledge to the constitution of India and we expect him to keep that pledge even if the constitution is changed to sanction genocide.

Back then, the pledge was to the throne.

The throne represents the seat responsible for serving the people. Good king or bad, the throne is supreme. So Bishma was right in keeping his pledge. For better or for worse. Just like a marriage. (God forbid if you are married to a bad women).