BJP warns govt. over Kashmir

[Jon Snow]

Hey indian how old r u? 12

R u comparing a part of Pakistan "our" ancestors chose to............. a region where 100000 kashmiris have died 11000 women raped and the intifada and where the youth call themselves Kashmiri often hoisting Pakistani Flags ?and whose status as a disputed territory is recognized by the WORLD!

define world...... Cause as far as world i know is concerned, kashmir is not disputed- kashmir was removed from the un list of disputed territories last year......i'm posting from mobile so wont be able to post links, but google around , you should be able to find plenty

 

[sab]

Frankly Plebscite is not possible -- so much water (blood) has flown under the bridge to even remotely think of that.

Only solution is to make LoC as IB, trifurcating J&K into the State of Jammu integrating into India, Union Territory of Ladakh and the Six Autonomous Districts of Kashmir under the constitution of India after they have secured the right to return of the Kashmiri Pandits and compensate them financially enabling them to lead a secure and honorable life.

Anything else looks good on paper but not achievable on ground.

It is not very different from present status...only removing an article and making some works on map? Do you seriously think it will solve the problem?

 

[KS]

It is not very different from present status...only removing an article and making some works on map? Do you seriously think it will solve the problem?

Oh it is very different.

First Jammu and Ladakh want nothing to do with this Azadi BS and infact Ladakh recently even chnaged its emblem to reflect its 'close' ties with India. In the exercise which wants to take care of Kashmiri Muslim aspirations, the aspirations of Jammu and Ladakh must also be taken care of.

Secondly for the Kashmir Valley ,extensive Autonomy under the Indian Constitution is the maximum thing that can be thought of. Indians will NOT allow one more partition of their motherland based on religion and frankly was this Right to Choose given to Sindhis or Biharis or Punjabis or Bengalis in 1947 ? What have the Kashmiri Muslims done to warrant such a special treatment. Nothing.

In the desire to solve this issue, practicality is the most important virtue.

 

[alphamale]

Then what is practical solution in your opinion?...an all out war? Maintain a white elephant for eternity? Expecting oneday Pakistan will gift rest of Kashmir to us ?

niether we want war nor pakistani kashmir only thing we want is to change LOC as IB

It is not very different from present status...only removing an article and making some works on map? Do you seriously think it will solve the problem?

ya it will solve many problems because after that they won't have any support from pak.

 

[Jon Snow]

you mean your sissy forces.....the ones who shoot unarmed teenaged protestors.

you want to talk about shooting of unarmed civilians???? Look at your own military....
Lets see, which countries' military shot a civilian at point blank range in a video that so shocked the world recently????

Dont talk about killing of civilians....happens everywhere, some just hide it better, its a cruel world we live in

 

[deckingraj]

Oh it is very different.

First Jammu and Ladakh want nothing to do with this Azadi BS and infact Ladakh recently even chnaged its emblem to reflect its 'close' ties with India. In the exercise which wants to take care of Kashmiri Muslim aspirations, the aspirations of Jammu and Ladakh must also be taken care of.

Secondly for the Kashmir Valley ,extensive Autonomy under the Indian Constitution is the maximum thing that can be thought of. Indians will NOT allow one more partition of their motherland based on religion and frankly was this Right to Choose given to Sindhis or Biharis or Punjabis or Bengalis in 1947 ? What have the Kashmiri Muslims done to warrant such a special treatment. Nothing.

In the desire to solve this issue, practicality is the most important virtue.

I cannot agree more with you but we cannot ignore the wrong doings of GOI viz-a-viz Kashmir...Kashmiri's are our people and if we actually mean it then we cannot allow the sufferings to go on forever...I am ashamed to say GOI has fialed the nation in this aspect by a huge margin...

 

[KS]

I cannot agree more with you but we cannot ignore the wrong doings of GOI viz-a-viz Kashmir...Kashmiri's are our people and if we actually mean it then we cannot allow the sufferings to go on forever...I am ashamed to say GOI has fialed the nation in this aspect by a huge margin...

Though not in any defence of the Armed Forces we also have to take into account the pressure under which they are working leaving their families,constantly being potrayed as villains by some 'activists'. In such a hostile insurgency prone area (pre-2002) mistaken identities,collateral deaths due to shootouts are not unheard of and is common all over the world. Blaming the Armed Forces alone is not fair IMHO.Everyone - GoP, PA , the Militants, GoI, IA and the Kashmiris have their share of blame.

Saying this the Armed Forces must investigate into any alleged "willful" wrongdoing ion the part of the Jawans and give necessary punishment.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

you want to talk about shooting of unarmed civilians???? Look at your own military....
Lets see, which countries' military shot a civilian at point blank range in a video that so shocked the world recently????

if you're referring to Rangers:

a.) isolated incident

b.) they have NOTHING to do with the military...


FAIL

Dont talk about killing of civilians....happens everywhere, some just hide it better, its a cruel world we live in

yes we know which countries are good at hiding it..... but thanks to the internet revolution, the silence is no longer so easy to promote.


(why do you think draconian laws like AFSPA exist in occupied Kashmir)

 

[Jon Snow]

if you're referring to Rangers:

a.) isolated incident

b.) they have NOTHING to do with the military...


FAIL





yes we know which countries are good at hiding it..... but thanks to the internet revolution, the silence is no longer so easy to promote.


(why do you think draconian laws like AFSPA exist in occupied Kashmir)

there's a simple reason behind afspa- desperate times require desperate measures- not saying am proud of it, but its required.....
Dont try to act the saint, coalition forces of which pakistan is an important part have been accused of killing thousands of civilians in pak and afghanistan.....
Again i am not saying there have not been unfortunate incidents when civilians have died at the hands army, all i'm saying is that you should admit that these things happen in any conflict(be it pakistani or indian) and are a lot of the times unavoidable

 

[KS]

there's a simple reason behind afspa- desperate times require desperate measures- not saying am proud of it, but its required.....

Arrey BABA why are you ashamed ? The Kashmiri Muslims brought it upon their own heads when they turned to the gun.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

hasnt really worked out too well i guess....

they just use proxy servers to go on facebook and youtube to share their 'experiences'

and then of course you have Dawn and other online news which is always more than happy to post em from time to time

 

[newdelhinsa]

if you're referring to Rangers:

a.) isolated incident

b.) they have NOTHING to do with the military...


FAIL





yes we know which countries are good at hiding it..... but thanks to the internet revolution, the silence is no longer so easy to promote.


(why do you think draconian laws like AFSPA exist in occupied Kashmir)

Thanks to Internet revolution that we have many news articles handy about Baluchistan; how gunships to artillery shelling was comprehensively used at times.

Do not throw stones when your own house is made of glass. One single video sample (which you do not have to prove Indian army is killing teenagers) is enough for international stake holders to concur how the whole lot operates. It may be an isolated incident for you!

 

[Jon Snow]

Arrey BABA why are you ashamed ? The Kashmiri Muslims brought it upon their own heads when they turned to the gun.

basically cause incidents have happened when army has taken advantage of this rule and it kinda reminds me of the laws the british had imposed on us before independence (no doubt they too thought that the indians had brought it upon themselves)

 

[KS]

basically cause incidents have happened when army has taken advantage of this rule and it kinda reminds me of the laws the british had imposed on us before independence (no doubt they too thought that the indians had brought it upon themselves)

Except there is a difference of British being non-natives to the sub-continent.

Also I don't remember AFSPA or even Soldiers being in Kashmir before 1989. The blame for AFSPA lies squarely with those who thought that they could make the Indian State submit to their will though the bullet.

No militancy = no AFSPA.

 

[Jon Snow]

Except there is a difference of British being non-natives to the sub-continent.

Also I don't remember AFSPA or even Soldiers being in Kashmir before 1989. The blame for AFSPA lies squarely with those who thought that they could make the Indian State submit to their will though the bullet.

No militancy = no AFSPA.

did say it was required in the earlier post..... Fully back govt decision for the law.....but doesnt mean i have to like it