BJP embarrassed again as RSS claims Hindus should 'weigh and assess their power'

[Diggy]

BJP lost in 2003 and 2009 because it diluted the Hindutva Agenda.

It worn in 2014 because Modi has/had a hard-line Hindutva image.

Modi is the PM of India and his job is governance, not religious conversion. That is best left to VHP or the CHURCH. Modi is not required to speak For or Against it.

If the shhit is getting irritating, best you shut your ears or turn off the paid media, because as long as BJP is in power, Media is going to rattle on and on about Hindutva.

thats very true , when christian missionaries do some mischief do these guys ask for a reply from congress or sonia gandhi . Modi is the prime minister of india not of the sangh parivar , his job is administration not giving counter statements on everything that happens on the street , he has got better things to do . The media in our country have waged a war against him and doing whatever it takes to tarnish his image . They were doing the same when he was CM of gujrat in fact few years back when i was very naive i believed in a lot of stuff that they said about him .

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

And by the way, Modi is al

What do you think is a stronger electorate?

100% of 200 million or 30% of 1 billion? Assuming the age demographics to be the same.

Look man,all this talk of Hindutva gets passionate.But what is the idea of India?What does our constitution state?

What will be the difference between us and them if we started seeing everyone with the glasses of religion?

This ghar wapsi thing can turn really ugly in a volatile place like India.

Terrorists thrive upon such people who feel neglected by their government.

This situation will only create more Indian Mujahideens.

 

[doppelganger]

Ok. That should make our task easier. Constitute a Children Welfare Ministry with full provision for the state to adopt the children in case of negligence of the parent. Similar procedures are in place in many countries. Nobody can oppose such a law on humanitarian grounds as well.

Then if they refuse vaccines or polio, the kids will be taken by the state and schooled and cared for till they become adults. The parents will be arrested and forced to undergo sterilization to prevent such cases in the future. The more widespread the practise of polio boycott, the better. Village upon village, block upon block can be emptied in a fortnight. This will solve many issues rightaway. From eradicating illiteracy to making good citizens. Of course some humanitarian orgs can also be tied to keep any corruption from taking root. This will work.

And yes, the day will start with the ancient custom of Surya Namaskar.

Lol ok bro ....

But yes, it is an issue with national impact, that goes way beyond their right to personal choice. Being hotly debated by the Americans as well now due to their measles outbreak.

Herd immunity is a very real thing, and not vaccinating your child is an extremely dangerous and anti social thing to do in a third world developing country like ours.

 

[Bang Galore]

In another act of embarrassment for the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat stoked controversy again on Sunday by remarking that India belongs to the Hindus.

“Hindustan is our nation, a rashtra of Hindus,” the RSS Sarsanghchalak said in Meerut while addressing a meeting of several wings of the party.

“But we have to expand it by uniting all Hindus. Our country would become great if we succeed in uniting the Hindus. This unity will also be a bliss for the world. The world will awaken if the Hindus are united and awakened,” he added.

RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat said: "Our country would become great if we succeed in uniting the Hindus".

Bhagwat claimed that the situation, which was against the Hindus for last many decades, was now in their favour.

Err......wasn't this guy saying recently that all Indians are Hindus. Guess nothing objectionable then, he just wants Muslims, Christians & "Hindus" to unite........

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Lol ok bro ....

But yes, it is an issue with national impact, that goes way beyond their right to personal choice. Being hotly debated by the Americans as well now due to their measles outbreak.

Herd immunity is a very real thing, and not vaccinating your child is an extremely dangerous and anti social thing to do in a third world developing country like ours.

Not lol at all. Difficult situations require difficult solutions. If this is what needs to be done, it should be done.

 

[doppelganger]

Look man,all this talk of Hindutva gets passionate.But what is the idea of India?What does our constitution state?

What will be the difference between us and them if we started seeing everyone with the glasses of religion?

This ghar wapsi thing can turn really ugly in a volatile place like India.

Terrorists thrive upon such people who feel neglected by their government.

This situation will only create more Indian Mujahideens.

Our constitution gives every citizen to freely practice and preach his religion.

Why should people have a problem if Hindus do that? No one seems to have a problem with other doing the same.

The Hindus are only now banding together because they have been neglected for 67 years. In spite of being the largest populace by far of the nation. Do we not have rights? Are we asking for any special right? No. We are just wanting the same for ourselves as that afforded to others. Do you see anything wrong in that?

Why is ghar wapsi wrong and Muslim and Christian conversions right? Don't want conversions, pass a blanket law banning them across the board for all. Otherwise do not be selective and bash ghar wapsi as a bad thing having the potential to ignite passions and unrest. Why has there been no such talk about what the muslims and christians have been doing for decades ?

If the government neglects any one section, then I guess you are right about what you say about alienation and the attraction of extremism. But what have you seen in the past 7 months to cause you to believe that the governement is biased towards one section and is ignoring or neglecting another? Please give me some hard facts here. Not feeling and perceptions pushed by media with vested interest and burning backsides at being left out of the loop in the cold.

Err......wasn't this guy saying recently that all Indians are Hindus. Guess nothing objectionable then, he just wants Muslims, Christians & "Hindus" to unite........

Exactly.

Hindutva belongs to all Indians. Its not exclusionary but inclusive in nature.

 

[me_itsme]

He should have said "All Hindus of different faiths should be united". The point would have gotten across clearer.

But all i have to say is fu(k religion.

 

[Prajapati]

Modi is not known for Hindutva.In his state VHP is not very powerful.His main people include Muslims and Sikhs.Neither has he said anything about Hindutva or ghar wapsi after becoming a PM.

Modi is known for development and that is why even Muslims voted for him.

I was a kid in 2003

Heard of Gujarat Riots and the Modi witch hunt ? if you were a kid in 2003 you probably won't know about it.

Gujarat is already a Hindutva state, VHP is NOT Required there. That is why its weak in Gujarat.

Modi's "main people" are al Indians. I don't think he has any special corner for muslims and sikhs ...... and neither is he required to say anything about Hindutva or Ghar Wapsi after becoming PM. He has far more important things to do than get involved in religions dispute.

 

[Span]

Are we asking for any special right? No. We are just wanting the same for ourselves as that afforded to others. Do you see anything wrong in that?.

Wanting India to be declared as a Hindu Rashtra when the Preamble clearly states India would be a secular nation (i.e no official religion of state), is not asking for a special right?

And what 'neglect' are you talking about? What rights of yours have been infringed?

and neither is he required to say anything about Hindutva or Ghar Wapsi after becoming PM. He has far more important things to do than get involved in religions dispute.

That'd mean implicit support. He has to take a stand.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Wanting India to be declared as a Hindu Rashtra when the Preamble clearly states India would be a secular nation (i.e no official religion of state), is not asking for a special right?

And what 'neglect' are you talking about? What rights of yours have been infringed?



That'd mean implicit support. He has to take a stand.

Are you a BJP supporter? Or a 'bhakt' as some say?

 

[Span]

Are you a BJP supporter? Or a 'bhakt' as some say?

I suggest you read my post again.

 

[doppelganger]

Wanting India to be declared as a Hindu Rashtra when the Preamble clearly states India would be a secular nation (i.e no official religion of state), is not asking for a special right?

Its more a statement of fact. There is no concerted move (yet) to get Secular removed.

And what 'neglect' are you talking about? What rights of yours have been infringed?

For starters, how about GOI start providing Kailash Mansarovar subsidy to 1 billion Hindus.

That'd mean implicit support. He has to take a stand.

Do you ask for the same when the Owaisis mouth off?

He is the PM. Not a BJP leader or an RSS Pracharak. Though he will always be those as well.

 

[Span]

Its more a statement of fact. There is no concerted move (yet) to get Secular removed.

Statement of fact? Do you even know what it means?

For starters, how about GOI start providing Kailash Mansarovar subsidy to 1 billion Hindus.

Right, well let's just allocate our entire budget to appease the religious fanatics and they'll drive our economy to great heights. Where were you when Modi appointed the Finance Minister?

If apart from 'trash' news, you've been following the headlines which are relevant and attach great national importance, you'd know the SC has already ordered the center to reduce hajj subsidy gradually and abolish it entirely within 10 years.

Abolish haj subsidy in 10 years: Supreme Court to government - The Times of India
Centre Mulls Ending All Pilgrimage Subsidies -The New Indian Express

(Not that the Center wants to, but they just have to)

Do you ask for the same when the Owaisis mouth off?

He is the PM. Not a BJP leader or an RSS Pracharak. Though he will always be those as well.

I don't give a shit what Owaisis says, he's not my PM. Modi is, and what he does/omits to do can be viewed as his stand/collective stand of the Cabinet on issues as crucial as this, which pose a threat to the unity of India.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I suggest you read my post again.

No, like in case you are not, you need to understand the way politics in a multi party democracy works. Every party will try to cater to their constituency first.

Let me assume you don't like Modi. And you don't vote for him. And say, I support him. I want him to stay silent and tacitly support ghar wapsi. I would expect him to do the latter than assuage your feelings. You may feel bad about it and you will do what you have done anyway - vote for the party most likely to win against the BJP.

 

[doppelganger]

Statement of fact? Do you even know what it means?

Its a statement of fact. Can you dispute that India is the land of the Hindus?

Right, well let's just allocate our entire budget to appease the religious fanatics and they'll drive our economy to great heights. Where were you when Modi appointed the Finance Minister?

If apart from 'trash' news, you've been following the headlines which are relevant and attach great national importance, you'd know the SC has already ordered the center to reduce hajj subsidy gradually and abolish it entirely within 10 years.

Abolish haj subsidy in 10 years: Supreme Court to government - The Times of India
Centre Mulls Ending All Pilgrimage Subsidies -The New Indian Express

(Not that the Center wants to, but they just have to)

So are you giving 1 billion Hindus a Kailash Mansarovar subsidy for the next 10 years while you continue to provide for a haj subsidy?

No? Why? Different rights for different Indians? Does not sound very secular to me.

I don't give a shit what Owaisis says, he's not my PM. Modi is, and what he does/omits to do can be viewed as his stand/collective stand of the Cabinet on issues as crucial as this, which pose a threat to the unity of India.

I do not see why the PM needs to speak up because you feel he needs to. If you feel he needs to speak up against Hindu right wingers, why do you not feel he needs to speak up against Muslim right wingers? Why do you feel he does not need to speak up against evangelistic Christian missionaries funded by foreign money? Why do you feel its the Hindu actions that only "pose a threat to the unity of India"?