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It is the central tenet of Pakistan's middle east and domestic policy: Pakistanis are inculcated to believe a phony narrative is truth; the HEC makes it a test of loyalty to the State and students and more especially teachers are forbidden to say otherwise: link. The paradox is that sticking to this policy is anti-democratic and requires such jumps of ill-logic as to literally drive Pakistanis crazy.

Kids and teachers might not be able to challenge the system but once kids like yourself have graduated from college they can openly advocate change with far less risk to life and career. Of course, unlike the Crown Prince most Pakistanis have very little protection from violence: the distortion of hate-over-all has corrupted law enforcement and encouraged lawlessness. Those Pakistanis who care about their own souls and those of their countrymen might make an effort but even forgetting about physical risk how many Pakistanis will sacrifice the pleasure of even a single mango lassi in pursuit of the greater good?
Again, your version of the fact and truth. Which essentially means you have been brainwashed to think Pakistanis are brainwashed.

What you state in that first paragraph applies to you completely. One only has to go through your blog to see the propoganda like narrative and thought process embedded in your psyche.
 
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..He clarified that from since the beginning of Islam.. by giving the example of our prophet..
"...today, in the triangle of evil...they are trying to promote the idea that our duty as Muslims is to reestablish the caliphate, to reestablish the mindset of the caliphate—that the glory of Islam is in building an empire by force. But God didn’t ask us to do this, and the Prophet Muhammad did not ask us to do this. God only asked us to spread the word. And this mission is accomplished. Today, every human has the right to choose their belief. In every country, it is possible to buy religious books. The message is being delivered. We have no duty anymore to fight to spread Islam. But in the triangle of evil, they want to manipulate Muslims, to tell them their duty as Muslims—their dignity as Muslims —requires the establishment of a Muslim empire."
 
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He just showed that he is realistic and pragmatic.. he conveyed the Two state solution in a clear manner while being realistic about the situation..I think he handled it quite well, considering he was addressing the Global Zionist media.. there is noting more in it that they don't already .. maybe they forgot how the Muslims have treated them throughout history..He clarified that from since the beginning of Islam.. by giving the example of our prophet..
While his pragmatism isn’t bad or unfounded, it is not without ulterior motive and coercion.
Regardless of the various conspiracy thrown around, Faisal was killed with the primary motivation of tribal revenge that exists in the Sauds(and all old school Arab cland). The same could befall MBS hence his need to secure his position and get external threat alert and protection.

Unfortunately, these are all grey areas and not black/white lines of right or wrong. What looks like a sectarian rivalry in Islam is more a cause for regional rivals, but that too is just an extention of the long standing cold war US-Russia rivalry. The Mullahs rely on Russian support for their rule and policy ideas; the rapprochement with Pakistan isn’t all them apparently per recent grapevines.
 
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"...today, in the triangle of evil...they are trying to promote the idea that our duty as Muslims is to reestablish the caliphate, to reestablish the mindset of the caliphate—that the glory of Islam is in building an empire by force. But God didn’t ask us to do this, and the Prophet Muhammad did not ask us to do this. God only asked us to spread the word. And this mission is accomplished. Today, every human has the right to choose their belief. In every country, it is possible to buy religious books. The message is being delivered. We have no duty anymore to fight to spread Islam. But in the triangle of evil, they want to manipulate Muslims, to tell them their duty as Muslims—their dignity as Muslims —requires the establishment of a Muslim empire."

This is correct. It wasn't until the Umayyads that Muslims began to covert others to Islam by force. As an example, the conversion of the John the Baptist cathedral in Damascus into the Great Mosque in the early 700s. I think no one should be forced to be religious. I am atheist and no one, NO ONE, can make me believe in any god.
 
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"...today, in the triangle of evil...they are trying to promote the idea that our duty as Muslims is to reestablish the caliphate, to reestablish the mindset of the caliphate—that the glory of Islam is in building an empire by force. But God didn’t ask us to do this, and the Prophet Muhammad did not ask us to do this. God only asked us to spread the word. And this mission is accomplished. Today, every human has the right to choose their belief. In every country, it is possible to buy religious books. The message is being delivered. We have no duty anymore to fight to spread Islam. But in the triangle of evil, they want to manipulate Muslims, to tell them their duty as Muslims—their dignity as Muslims —requires the establishment of a Muslim empire."
This is correct somehow about Islam itself.. but what about the rights of the Palestinian people to their own land? that is the question..and it is very specific..
What I pointed out to in my previous post is how well the Jews were treated, accepted and even defended in the Muslim world.. And we do not ask for more than that for our Palestinian brothers.. we say they need their own national borders to live in peace too.. and at the same time the whole middle east will have peace and prosperity..
 
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Again, your version of the fact and truth. Which essentially means you have been brainwashed to think Pakistanis are brainwashed...
Oz, holding up the mirror doesn't work: the U.S. has nothing like the mandated brainwashing the State of Pakistan insists on inculcating into unsuspecting children and everyone can read the H.E.C. letter mandating such brainwashing.

So from being a party to an argument you've instead become an illustration confirming the analysis: to stick to the mandated narrative you had to make fantastic leaps of fact and logic and diversion. It needs to end.
 
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This is correct somehow about Islam itself.. but what about the rights of the Palestinian people to they own land? that is the question..and it is very specific..
What I pointed out to in my previous post is how well the Jews were treated, accepted and even defended in the Muslim world.. And we do not ask for more than that for our Palestinian brothers.. we say they need their own national borders to live in peace too..

I believe Palestine is a lost cause. They were not able to stop the creation of Israel. Now Israel is just about the most powerful country in the middle east. These days might is right.

Just like Kurds in Turkey, Iran, Syria, Iraq, I believe Palestinians will live in Israel as Arab citizens of Israel.
 
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While his pragmatism isn’t bad or unfounded, it is not without ulterior motive and coercion.
Regardless of the various conspiracy thrown around, Faisal was killed with the primary motivation of tribal revenge that exists in the Sauds(and all old school Arab cland). The same could befall MBS hence his need to secure his position and get external threat alert and protection.

Unfortunately, these are all grey areas and not black/white lines of right or wrong. What looks like a sectarian rivalry in Islam is more a cause for regional rivals, but that too is just an extention of the long standing cold war US-Russia rivalry. The Mullahs rely on Russian support for their rule and policy ideas; the rapprochement with Pakistan isn’t all them apparently per recent grapevines.
A few corrections..if I may:
King Faisal assassination was executed by a prince living full time in the US..the majority of analysts think it was a CIA operation against the Oil Embargo that made the US suffer like almost never before..

Second, Both Iran and Saudi Arabia were in the Western camp during the cold war.. so this sectarian phenomena is quite new..and was triggered and amplified this much buy the Iranian revolution, and mainly the attempt to export it outside of Iran..

I believe Palestine is a lost cause. They were not able to stop the creation of Israel. Now Israel is just about the most powerful country in the middle east. These days might is right.

Just like Kurds in Turkey, Iran, Syria, Iraq, I believe Palestinians will live in Israel as Arab citizens of Israel.
There is still hope for a 2 state solution.. even the US is still working on it..despite the Jerusalem/Al Qods declarations..
 
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There is still hope for a 2 state solution.. even the US is still working on it..despite the Jerusalem/Al Qods declarations..

Israel would never accept that and the US has veto at the UNSC. Only the UNSC can create a new state. UNGA cannot do that.
 
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Lol!!

Like seriously?

People need to read what MBS said in full context. I mean common!! Some have tried to make a silly argument out of this.

Israel or USA will not attack Iran unless and until Russia is onboard, and China has agreed not to show displeasure. So that is also a silly argument to say one statement taken out of context is the proof a war against Iran is coming.

Israel is a priority for the USA government. But Israel will not start a war with Iran unless USA is for it 1000%. And USA will not go to war with Iran while it is stuck in Afghanistan, especially with a fresh defeat in Syria in mind.

Russia and China are the key elements to convince before a was against Iran is launched.

Once a war starts against Iran, then for sure Pakistan is next.

People need to calm down.
 
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A few corrections..if I may:
King Faisal assassination was executed by a prince living full time in the US..the majority of analysts think it was a CIA operation against the Oil Embargo that made the US suffer like almost never before..

Second, Both Iran and Saudi Arabia were in the Western camp during the cold war.. so this sectarian phenomena is quite new..and was triggered and amplified this much buy the Iranian revolution, and mainly the attempt to export it outside of Iran..


There is still hope for a 2 state solution.. even the US is still working on it..despite the Jerusalem/Al Qods declarations..
The pretext was still tribal animosity and revenge; if that served as a convienient conduit for the CIA then it was.

I am referring to the current situation with Iran and not pre-79(which is also linked to Russia)
 
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Are you people listening to a jew lecture you on caliphate? His supporting evidence is the word of a man who's forefathers betrayed the Caliphate and established today's serf states. They are being cheered on by Iranian extremists, the very people who attacked the Calipha when he had besieged the gates of Vienna.

Allah's messenger warned us about such people.

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be division and sectarianism in my nation and a people (the Kharijites) will come with beautiful words and evil deeds. They will recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target and they will not return to it as the arrow does not return to its bow. They are the worst of the creation. Blessed are those who fight them and are killed by them. They call to the Book of Allah but they have nothing to do with it. Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them.”

Know your history, know your deen, otherwise you will fall into the traps of your enemies.

The first caliphate was established in Medinah by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. It is his sunnah. The righteous examples of caliphate are Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali (ra). Nobody who is Muslim, Shia or sunni will find fault in the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Anyone who leads you astray from it is your enemy, whatever thier so called Ideology, wealth, status, or piety might be.
 
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This is correct somehow about Islam itself.. but what about the rights of the Palestinian people to the[ir] y own land? that is the question..and it is very specific..
The League of Nations' Palestine Mandate spelled it out pretty clearly: Arabs have property and civil rights but no inherent political rights. (Under Article 80 of the U.N. Charter any U.N. resolutions saying otherwise are garbage.)

Of course by the terms of the Mandate the Jews of Palestine were not to sacrifice their own civil rights to live in peace and security. The Arabs who objected by force or feet to Zionist rule, siding with the invading Arab armies, thus lawfully lost their rights to return to their former property; that was the Ottoman standard, and it was only because the Zionists were merciful that these Arabs did not suffer decimation as well. (And the Arabs who simply drifted into camps pretending to be Palestinians in return for a dole, shelter, and education have even less claim to Israeli territory.)

At the same time, the Jews in other parts of the Middle East were supposed to retain their property and civil rights. That did not happen: the Jews' wealth and property were wantonly seized by local rulers and they were driven out of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. Most of these Jews were shoved into a new Israel lacking infrastructure and Israel was close to starving due to the Arab trade boycott, so they were often settled on top of abandoned Arab villages, given a cow and seed, and told to make do as best they could: Israel narrowly avoided starvation as its population more than doubled in the decade after independence.

Clearly, the injustice suffered by these Jews was far greater than that "suffered" by intolerant Arabs - and the fact you acknowledge no measure of this shows how ill-prepared you are to pass justice on the Israel-Arab conflicts, yes?

So it is that Israel remains 20%+ Arab - the Arabs who didn't revolt retained their civil and property rights - whereas the surrounding states are Judenrein. Israelis, Arab and Jew alike, have spent the decades since independence building their communities and the Jewish State, enjoying freedom and seeking peace and prosperity rather than tyranny and conquest.

So "what about the rights of the Palestinian people to their own land"? They don't have any such rights anymore; their ancestors sacrificed them in fires of murderous hatred. While these Arabs may have a moral claim upon the European and Arab rulers who encouraged their revolt Israel doesn't owe them anything.

THIS narrative, here, that I've just recounted, unlike the one crammed into students' brains by the State of Pakistan, is a narrative that can be supported by facts in context. And once Pakistanis can fearlessly support such a narrative as well as criticize it then they may have a claim to wielding some sort of moral voice. Not before.
 
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Oz, holding up the mirror doesn't work: the U.S. has nothing like the mandated brainwashing the State of Pakistan insists on inculcating into unsuspecting children and everyone can read the H.E.C. letter mandating such brainwashing.

So from being a party to an argument you've instead become an illustration confirming the analysis: to stick to the mandated narrative you had to make fantastic leaps of fact and logic and diversion. It needs to end.
Please, lets not stick to a HeC letter as some divine proof of brainwashing im your attempts to shoot tangents when your primary argument is based on a lie.

That lie is that the creation of the state of Israel was a just act.
It was unjust to the Palestinians and it was unjust to the already exhausted and persecuted European Jews who after suffering the hate of the anti-semitic European population were sent into a land where they ended up with the hate of their entire neighborhood.

All they got was the false narrative of zion and the mystical promised land in return for a consistent defensive mentality capped by self righteousness. It nearly ended all introspective thought in Jewish intellectuals and created the mindset seen in Zionists such as yourself.

After all, unlike you a large percentage of the Pakistani so called brainwashed population is able to see their errors while you don’t even have the moral lens to recognize the horrors that Israeli leadership and people have comitted in their attempt to “survive”.

So while you extoll me to “let go” , it is you who needs to let go of the constant mantra and brainwashing to breathe in the ground FACTs and realities of the why’s of Israel’s creation and the factual injustice it carries out every day at the Gaza concentration camp.
 
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