Biden plans to ‘recalibrate’ relations with Saudi Arabia and downgrade MBS

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I don’t believe there is one and even so there are non-muslim areas outside of the haram’s limits.
The fact that the legitimate heir of the Hashemite legacy openly hosts and coordinates defense policy with Israel should be acceptable so should Indian troops, US troops or Chinese troops in KSA be as well.

KSA chose US troops on a higher cost to itself over Pakistani troops three decades ago which was the most concrete slap to any idiotic perceptions of the “Ummah” concept having relevance to leadership of Muslim majority countries.

The United States establishment is slapping MBS on the wrist in a “know your role” message. That doesn’t mean it’s suddenly opened up Saudi coffers for Pakistan or Pakistani bases in KSA.

MBS has for all intents and purposes given some purpose of direction, rather all GCC countries now have a clear ideology and direction - which is why they will continue to progress socially and technologically.

Even India has its fascist Hindutva which provides it a clear direction on which to indoctrinate the masses

What does Pakistan have to offer? They can’t even decide on what is a Pakistani or whether all are Muslims or not muslims or whether 9sq Griffins is a halal symbol or not.The ability & value of the Pakistani leadership at all levels is highly overrated.
Very few advancing countries want to partner with such headless chickens including China which even with massive geographic and economic compulsions to want the Pakistani transit and counter to India now looks for backup policies.

These childish dreams of Indian destruction are best left to the school assembly speeches.
Only a complete national psyche change - that provides a unified purposeful voice will change anything. Otherwise the next 20 years are exactly the same and it seems to suit the ruling elite and the masses as well apparently.
The only thing that will change is Pakistani value which isn’t going up - just stagnant. KSA’s own value is already changing fast and soon Pakistani value will relatively be irrelevant.

The Saudis, GCC and other Muslim nations are becoming more richer, powerful and advanced whereas Pakistan is going the opposite direction. My biggest fear is that in 20 years time we will be on the same level as sub-saharan Africa. By some indicators, we already are.

 

[Titanium100]

well versed our tragedy ...

That guy has written a wall but none of it are factual.. He forgot to read about Pakistanis defense treaties and he thinks it became void somehow or nor does he have knowledge about where Pakistani forces are deployed outside of Pk. PDF is prone to wishy-washy postings and it can get boring

 

[HAIDER]

That guy has written a wall but none of it are factual.. He forgot to read about Pakistanis defense treaties and he thinks it became void somehow or nor does he have knowledge about where Pakistani forces are deployed outside of Pk. PDF is prone to wishy-washy postings and it can get boring

Well, our majority unable to understand that new generation of Saudis are different from older school. Saudi has to do what's good for them and they are doing. For example, Kashmir is Pakistan issue not Saudi issue.

 

[SQ8]

The Saudis, GCC and other Muslim nations are becoming more richer, powerful and advanced whereas Pakistan is going the opposite direction. My biggest fear is that in 20 years time we will be on the same level as sub-saharan Africa. By some indicators, we already are.

Right now - climate change is giving its first demonstration in the United States. Pakistan is predicted in the top 5 countries worst affected by it, imagine when that hits.

Again, blaming CIA, MOSSAD, RAW isn’t going to change the fact that right now every current situation Pakistanis(or frankly any nation) is of their own doing. To paraphase the Quran on its description of Hell “and every time their skin is roasted it will be recreated” - if that is not the condition of the masses in Pakistan..I don’t know what is. Maybe it is time they see their character before worrying about Hindutva or Western Liberals.

As for KSA, they still control the largest source of religious tourism which they can at any time continue to make more and more profit from.

 

[GumNaam]

Mbs is an utter disaster for ksA...his father needs to throw him out and hand the mantel of power to someone more experienced and in the good books of the conservative saudi population like the former intelligence chief prince Turki.

 

[Oublious]

Wher is the 500 million guy?

 

[GumNaam]

Wher is the 500 million guy?

who he?

 

[Stryker1982]

If I was MbS I would completely cut ties with the US and invite Turkey and Pakistan into the region. They will commit several genocides if anyone gets out of line.

Make nuclear installations in Saudi Arabia. The region will enter a long peace and prosperity era.

Saudi Arabia has powerful cards under it's sleazy. It could also invite potential of other allies to the region such Egypt, Algeria etc etc and it can invite more allies then mentioned. The potential is endless and everyone is strong and capable.

Sometimes when a vacuum is opened something far stronger, determined and beneficial can come thru

You want the nation that sells oil with the U.S Dollar whose bank accounts with billions of dollars are in the US, Amarco being IPOed in the NYSE. and whose nation has bought billions in U.S treasury bonds to just leave all that?!? lol

America makes Saudi Arabia very very rich.

Your comment is basically an instruction manual on how to make Saudi Arabia poor.

 

[GumNaam]

You want the nation that sells oil with the U.S Dollar whose bank accounts with billions of dollars are in the US, Amarco being IPOed in the NYSE. and whose nation has bought billions in U.S treasury bonds to just leave all that?!? lol

America makes Saudi Arabia very very rich.

Your comment is basically an instruction manual on how to make Saudi Arabia poor.

saudis are not rich any more. their biggest buyer was the u.s. but now u.s. has its own oil, they don't need the saudis anymore.

 

[Stryker1982]

saudis are not rich any more. their biggest buyer was the u.s. but now u.s. has its own oil, they don't need the saudis anymore.

America may not be their biggest buyer but they are one of the worlds largest oil suppliers and America allows for them to continue that. Remaining on Americas good side is crucial, if what has happened to Iran happens to Saudi Arabia, they'd quickly find themselves in hot water as customers will be afraid to buy from them as they are afraid too buy from Iran right now and for the foreseeable future. They sell 11 million barrels per day to Iran's < 1 million

 

[GumNaam]

America may not be their biggest buyer but they are one of the worlds largest oil suppliers and America allows for them to continue that. Remaining on Americas good side is crucial, if what has happened to Iran happens to Saudi Arabia, they'd quickly find themselves in hot water as customers will be afraid to buy from them as they are afraid too buy from Iran right now and for the foreseeable future. They sell 11 million barrels per day to Iran's < 1 million

yeah but their are now getting a ton of competition from the Russians and you guys, not to mention, their self inflicted war in yemen is becoming unsustainable, their income isn't able keep up with the expenditures.