BHASHA DAM STARTED !!!

[Imran Khan]

finally after 60 years of sleeping we awake

 

[Yaseen1]

army was busy in removing terrorism in previous years which was major threat to initiation of dam construction as no foreign company work in area full of terrorism ,inauguration and completion are very different otherwise pmln also inaugurated bhasha dam and made fund for buying of land for this dam and initiation of work on kalabagh dam was started in last period of gen zia

Please note that BRT was supposed to go through final system testing and configuration before corona shut down everything. It will be completed soon. It is the only 3rd gen BRT project in Pakistan's history hence it is taking a bit of time to complete. The donor agency ADB is completely satisfied with the design and progress of the project.


If PTI had failed so badly they wouldn't have gotten 2/3 majority in KPK in 2018. While the religious parties barely get any seats even in the most religiously conservative province of KPK. So before issuing fatwa on the performance and ability of the government please educate yourself of all the facts and also learn about the democratic process. Thankfully people don't vote for mullahs, otherwise they would drag us back 1400 years. People like you would love that.


Also Mohmand, Daimer and Dasu are all started only because of this government otherwise governments have been delaying them on one pretext or the other. That itself should be proof of the ability to initiate big ticket infrastructure projects. To give all the credit to the army is disingenuous. The same army was there in previous two governments as well, why weren't these dams started then?

 

[Rafeh]

hope this project complete in time and not become brt peshawar

Peshawar BRT was so badly managed partly because planing and construction required full 3D citywide data. There are actual software available to estimate and model the city structures using 3D or even 4D data (time being the fourth dimension, e.g. traffic flow rate, car being parked over time etc.). Yet they planned the whole BRT using mostly 2D maps with visual inspections to make sense of 3D layouts.

While its partly Pakistan's fault, its partly Asian development's bank's fault. They were supervising it and they should have demanded imparting such training and required gathering of such data during planning phase. That bank's so called experts were just as incompetent. Digitization of city that is having full 3D maps of city infrastructure don't take that long if proper funds are allocated.

Pakistan has and uses such technology already (too many Pakistani firms have such capabilities).

In a hurry, such process was bypassed. We must first digitize our city structures so that we can virtually (i.e. on a computer) construct and evaluate what is possible and how.

Then we can expect a better planned city infra-structure in a highly complex city like Peshawar.

Lahore metro-bus service case is different. Lahore had lots of wide roads since Mughal and British times and Islamabad is a world class city. One can't compare them with Peshawar.

BRT in a Peshawar like city having with messed up and mostly narrow roads required much more complex computer based planning which was largely dropped in a hope of faster turn around. Apart from corruption and lack of skills, there was also lack of planning by those who had skills, and whole thing was done without the use of absolutely essential computational tools and detailed 3D physical data.

Dams however are being planned and built using very advanced technology. There, both Pakistani firms as well as foreign firms involved have advanced skills and can and have carried out sophisticated engineering analysis of what is needed. They are much larger and capable Pakistani and non-Pakistani firms. Dams will be fine.

In BRT like projects, mostly because, contracts are awarded (and canceled) to too many firms due to political reasons (or corruption) some of whom are totally incompetent, too small, or not up the job. That leads to a mess of which BRT is a prime example.

Also in general Pakistani bureaucracy must be trained in high technology use just like elements of it got training during CPEC and other programs (some went to England as well). They need high tech based project planning and China can actually help in this regards.

Pakistan really needs to digitize its city-wide structures meaning have high resolution full 3D data based city maps/databases with digital adds on for time varying phenomena (such as weather patterns, people flow, parking behaviors etc.). They should have all details including types and kinds of material used in each building or shop and what can be moved/demolished and what can't be and why.

We must digitize our major cities that is have high resolution data bases of every element before planning anything as major as BRT. That is something that CPEC and other projects are bringing into Pakistan albeit slowly and bureaucracy is gradually upgrading its skills and work ethics.

 

[Yaseen1]

In rawalpindi metro bus roads pass through very narrow roads but they were properly completed in time ,I think brt was poorly managed and corruption was involved in it as after seeing wheat and sugar corruption such doubts are more high

Peshawar BRT was so badly managed partly because planing and construction required full 3D citywide data. There are actual software available to estimate and model the city structures using 3D or even 4D data (time being the fourth dimension, e.g. traffic flow rate, car being parked over time etc.). Yet they planned the whole BRT using mostly 2D maps with visual inspections to make sense of 3D layouts.

While its partly Pakistan's fault, its partly Asian development's bank's fault. They were supervising it and they should have demanded imparting such training and required gathering of such data during planning phase. That bank's so called experts were just as incompetent. Digitization of city that is having full 3D maps of city infrastructure don't take that long if proper funds are allocated.

Pakistan has and uses such technology already (too many Pakistani firms have such capabilities).

In a hurry, such process was bypassed. We must first digitize our city structures so that we can virtually (i.e. on a computer) construct and evaluate what is possible and how.

Then we can expect a better planned city infra-structure in a highly complex city like Peshawar.

Lahore metro-bus service case is different. Lahore had lots of wide roads since Mughal and British times and Islamabad is a world class city. One can't compare them with Peshawar.

BRT in a Peshawar like city having with messed up and mostly narrow roads required much more complex computer based planning which was largely dropped in a hope of faster turn around. Apart from corruption and lack of skills, there was also lack of planning by those who had skills, and whole thing was done without the use of absolutely essential computational tools and detailed 3D physical data.

Dams however are being planned and built using very advanced technology. There, both Pakistani firms as well as foreign firms involved have advanced skills and can and have carried out sophisticated engineering analysis of what is needed. Dams will be fine.

Mostly because, contracts are awarded (and canceled) to too many firms due to political reasons (or corruption) some of whom are totally incompetent or not up the job. That leads to a mess of which BRT is a prime example.

Also in general Pakistani bureaucracy must be trained in high technology use just like elements of it got training during CPEC and other programs (some went to England as well). They need high tech based project planning and China can actually help in this regards.

Pakistan really needs to digitize its city-wide structures meaning have high resolution full 3D data based city maps/databases with digital adds on for time varying phenomena (such as weather patterns, people flow, parking behaviors etc.). They should have all details including types and kinds of material used in each building or shop and what can be moved/demolished and what can't be and why.

We must digitize our major cities that is have high resolution data bases of every element before planning anything as major as BRT. That is something that CPEC and other projects are bringing into Pakistan albeit slowly and bureaucracy is gradually upgrading its skills and work ethics.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

army was busy in removing terrorism in previous years which was major threat to initiation of dam construction as no foreign company work in area full of terrorism ,inauguration and completion are very different otherwise pmln also inaugurated bhasha dam and made fund for buying of land for this dam and initiation of work on kalabagh dam was started in last period of gen zia

The Army doesn't get the blame or the credit for this.

I have been arguing this for years - the Army is not involved in decision making on domestic governance and development (non-military). Yes, they might offer their views on an issue, but the decision to allocate funds to a project and award contracts rests with the elected government.

The reason this view about the Army being responsible for domestic development /governance persists for two reasons - you have some pro-Army people who want to give the Army all the credit for positive developments in Pakistan, and then you have the PMLN/PPP who want to blame the Army for 'interfering' so they can find an excuse for their incompetence and failures.

Neither is entirely correct.

In this particular case, the PTI government should get the credit for kicking off projects under their government, just like the PMLN and PPP should get the credit for projects kicked off during their tenure.

We really need to stop dragging the Army into everything because if you praise them and given them credit now, for a positive development, be prepared to then criticize and blame them for negative developments.

 

[Yaseen1]

coas is member of economic committee so I think they play important role in such decisions which are necessary for national survival and security but not interfere in other less severe matters

The Army doesn't get the blame or the credit for this.

I have been arguing this for years - the Army is not involved in decision making on domestic governance and development (non-military). Yes, they might offer their views on an issue, but the decision to allocate funds to a project and award contracts rests with the elected government.

The reason this view about the Army being responsible for domestic development /governance persists for two reasons - you have some pro-Army people who want to give the Army all the credit for positive developments in Pakistan, and then you have the PMLN/PPP who want to blame the Army for 'interfering' so they can find an excuse for their incompetence and failures.

Neither is entirely correct.

In this particular case, the PTI government should get the credit for kicking off projects under their government, just like the PMLN and PPP should get the credit for projects kicked off during their tenure.

We really need to stop dragging the Army into everything because if you praise them and given them credit now, for a positive development, be prepared to then criticize and blame them for negative developments.

 

[Rafeh]

In rawalpindi metro bus roads pass through very narrow roads but they were properly completed in time ,I think brt was poorly managed and corruption was involved in it as after seeing wheat and sugar corruption such doubts are more high

I am not contradicting you at all. You are right. Possibly corruption and definitely mismanagement was there, off course (and I stated that too).

However Peshawar is much more messy as well. More complex planning was needed. But due to political reasons an artificial time line was imposed. That time was too short for anything. That plus added incompetency of asian development consultants played its own negative role. The whole thing is a mess also because many small contractors with no skills to collaborate on large projects were added/removed at various stages.

Those little incompetent contractors made their own mess.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

coas is member of economic committee so I think they play important role in such decisions which are necessary for national survival and security but not interfere in other less severe matters

The COAS offers the military's perspective - he doesn't have a veto nor is he the final decision maker.

The final decision rests with the elected government.

Again, we need to stop giving both credit and blame to the military for domestic governance and development.

 

[Aryeih Leib]

Oh welcome back sir

finally after 60 years of sleeping we awake

 

[Yaseen1]

I not think this happens in Pakistan for every matter,in certain matters coas indicates redlines to govt as in Pakistan if civil govt is allowed to make all decision they will destroy nation due to incapability

The COAS offers the military's perspective - he doesn't have a veto nor is he the final decision maker.

The final decision rests with the elected government.

Again, we need to stop giving both credit and blame to the military for domestic governance and development.

 

[ziaulislam]

Dasu Dam total Capacity : 4000 MW

Phase 1 : 2000 MW Cost 4 Billlion USD

Water Storage Capacity : 1.1 MAF

Water storage is less than 0.6 MAF..you dont count dead storage

 

[AUz]

Fun fact: Total dam capacity of Muslim world is approximately 800 million+ acre-feet. Turkey is at forefront of hydraulic dam construction and water management. Infact, water is Turkey's biggest geopolitical asset in Middle-East as Turkey controls Tigris and Euphrates rivers flowing into Iraq and other Middle-Eastern nations.

If OIC was any good----it would have created a water-security and management group where Muslim countries shared technologies and water-management strategies with each other to increase their overall water-storage capacity and agricultural yield.

800 MAF is a very decent base-storage capacity, but Muslim world should plan to accommodate ~3.5 billion to 4 billion people by the end of this century. With that goal in mind, Muslim countries should cooperate to develop nearly 1.6 to 2 billion MAF water storage capacity. Saudis and other rich GCC desert nations should fund dams and water-storage projects in Pakistan/Sudan/Indonesia etc and sign cheap food-import agreements to consolidate their food security in future

Pakistan should develop its agriculture, meat, and dairy sector to fulfill the needs of 500 million people by 2070 (all of the Pakistan+export excess products to global markets for hefty profit).