Bharatis dreaming of capturing AJK and GB (video)

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Haven't they learnt anything from the Taliban onslaughts in Afganistan?!? And, it's just the beginning....

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Some suggestions to Pak civil mil establishment.

1. Declare Junagadh and munavdar as part of Pakistan and have at least 2 seats each in parliament.

2. Have a remembrance day for the invasion of Junagadh and hyderabad deccan.

3. Officially ask india to prosecute war criminals as per the sundar lal committee report. And also on Jammu genocide.

these are just symbolic steps.

It will be hypocritical if you say Kashmir belongs to Pakistan because it’s Muslim majority even though Kashmir acceded with India.

But you say Hindu majority Junagarh belongs to Pakistan because Junagarh acceded to Pakistan.


Here’s what our friend from Junagarh has to say…

Spoiler

 

[Vapnope]

It will be hypocritical if you say Kashmir belongs to Pakistan because it’s Muslim majority even though Kashmir acceded with India.

But you say Hindu majority Junagarh belongs to Pakistan because Junagarh acceded to Pakistan.


Here’s what our friend from Junagarh has to say…

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It is hypocritical for you to claim Kashmir and Jungarh together as well.

 

[Imran Khan]

One should not forget India now has a very heavily armed and dedicated mountain strike corps in the region which has dual role of offensive against China or Pakistan (GB & Pak administered Kashmir) where required.
It has power to launch a crushing offensive agaisnt Skardu (if target is GB) or an earth shaking offensive against entire Pak administered Kashmir (if thats the target).
This means we can put 9-10 divisions against entire Pak army in these two regions (GB and Pak administered Kashmir).

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Skewed figures in the video, wrong landmass of GB Pakistan quoted, also no mention of AJK area, Aksai Chin, China.

India has less than 50% of Kashmir, if Pakistan held GB region, AJK, and China held Aksai Chin is measured.

GB Pakistan: 72,971 km²

AJK Pakistan: 13,297 km²

That makes it: 86,266 sq.kms under Pakistan control.

Aksai Chin, China: 38,000 km²


Total Pakistan and China: 124,266 sq.kms.

Indian controlled Kashmir: 97, 970 sq.kms.

Total Kashmir area: 222, 236 sq.kms.

So India controls about 46% of Kashmir area.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

It is hypocritical for you to claim Kashmir and Jungarh together as well.

Eh we did a plebiscite in Junagarh and people wanted to stay with India (obviously as it’s Hindu majority) so it is a part of our country. J&K acceded to India as only Kashmir is Muslim majority, Jammu is Hindu majority and Ladakh is Buddhist majority. And Nehru had announced that he was ready for plebiscite there as well as per UN Resolutions in which Pakistan had to vacate all occupied territories and then majority Indian forces had to vacate the occupied territories and only a few should have been allowed for maintaining law and order when UN will conduct the plebiscite. Pakistan never followed the first rule and kept their presence in their side of J&K hence the plebiscite never happened as per UN resolutions. And now it won’t happen as after simla agreement both sides agreed that Kashmir issue is a bilateral issue between Republic of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan and no 3rd party involvement is allowed. So only bilateral talks can solve this, best it to make LoC as International Border and prevent useless fighting and focus on development, it is better for all.

 

[Vapnope]

Eh we did a plebiscite in Junagarh and people wanted to stay with India (obviously as it’s Hindu majority)

Should have done the same in kashmir but no.. so hypocrites

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Should have done the same in kashmir but no.. so hypocrites

Read the full post, you’re cherry picking the first line.

 

[crankthatskunk]

One should not forget India now has a very heavily armed and dedicated mountain strike corps in the region which has dual role of offensive against China or Pakistan (GB & Pak administered Kashmir) where required.
It has power to launch a crushing offensive agaisnt Skardu (if target is GB) or an earth shaking offensive against entire Pak administered Kashmir (if thats the target).
This means we can put 9-10 divisions against entire Pak army in these two regions (GB and Pak administered Kashmir).

Blimey, i was about to fall off my chair laughing.
Like they say, "Dreams" are free.

You pay the price, when you try to materialise those dreams.

 

[D-day]

it is just comparable to a dream as "Kashmir Banega Pakistan".

Pakistan has more chances of liberating Kashmir as the local population will support them. It would be your 8 lakh Indian army fighting 8million Kashmiris and Pak army. Same cannot be said about Azad Kashmir and Gilgit. The only thing stopping Pakistan is the will to start a fight. Even during the 1990s Pak did not supply any heavy weapons to Mujahideen. Look at weapons which Hamas and Taliban have, poor kashmiris have nothing. Why does not Pak provide them any weapons is anyone's guess.

 

[Jackdaws]

Days of capturing land are gone - any state seen as an aggressor invites international censure and pressure to return to status quo.

Pakistan has more chances of liberating Kashmir as the local population will support them. It would be your 8 lakh Indian army fighting 8million Kashmiris and Pak army. Same cannot be said about Azad Kashmir and Gilgit. The only thing stopping Pakistan is the will to start a fight. Even during the 1990s Pak did not supply any heavy weapons to Mujahideen. Look at weapons which Hamas and Taliban have, poor kashmiris have nothing. Why does not Pak provide them any weapons is anyone's guess.

Yes, that logic didn't work in 1965. Or Kargil. The only support Pak enjoys is in pockets of the valley.

 

[D-day]

Days of capturing land are gone - any state seen as an aggressor invites international censure and pressure to return to status quo.

Yes, that logic didn't work in 1965. Or Kargil. The only support Pak enjoys is in pockets of the valley.

Not if the region has UN resolution. Nagorno karabakh is the latest example.


Pockets? Entire valley and Muslim majority regions will be against India. You donot have any knowledge. The initial freedom struggle against Dogra and Sikh rule was started in Muslim regions of Jammu. People of Kargil had protested for months against the revoking of 370 and seperation from Kashmir, they donot want to live with the buddiest Leh.

 

[krash]

One should not forget India now has a very heavily armed and dedicated mountain strike corps in the region which has dual role of offensive against China or Pakistan (GB & Pak administered Kashmir) where required.
It has power to launch a crushing offensive agaisnt Skardu (if target is GB) or an earth shaking offensive against entire Pak administered Kashmir (if thats the target).
This means we can put 9-10 divisions against entire Pak army in these two regions (GB and Pak administered Kashmir).

You're right. The Pakistani army had been under immense pressure because of this for years. Can't have an ill-equipped paramilitary force keep on embarrassing the mighty Indian military. They had to re-label them into an army regiment to solved it.

 

[mudas777]

This fascist nation absorbed over 500 princely states including brutally invading Junagadh and Hyderabad as explained by their own Sundar lal committee report in 1948.

Pakistan establishment can keep burying the past, but the fact remains - india is and will be an ideological and civilizational enemy of Pakistan and muslims.

This video does reveal what the hindu nation seems to be planning ahead keeping in mind Afghan development. Pakistan civil mil establishment must gear up for a serious effort focused on augmenting Pak national power if they want to fightback. Business as usual will not work.

They forgot one thing this is our red line and crossing our red line means unprecedented response and it does includes nuclear. Unless India wishes to have no longer a Hindu state in this world i will suggest to them don't wish something which you can't handle.

 

[Silverblaze]

Eh we did a plebiscite in Junagarh and people wanted to stay with India (obviously as it’s Hindu majority) so it is a part of our country. J&K acceded to India as only Kashmir is Muslim majority, Jammu is Hindu majority and Ladakh is Buddhist majority. And Nehru had announced that he was ready for plebiscite there as well as per UN Resolutions in which Pakistan had to vacate all occupied territories and then majority Indian forces had to vacate the occupied territories and only a few should have been allowed for maintaining law and order when UN will conduct the plebiscite. Pakistan never followed the first rule and kept their presence in their side of J&K hence the plebiscite never happened as per UN resolutions. And now it won’t happen as after simla agreement both sides agreed that Kashmir issue is a bilateral issue between Republic of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan and no 3rd party involvement is allowed. So only bilateral talks can solve this, best it to make LoC as International Border and prevent useless fighting and focus on development, it is better for all.

normally i dont reply to hindutvadis but let me make an exception since u have made a brilliant attempt at confusing people.

The UN resolution 39 set up a commission. Resolution 47 and its amplificatory clauses asked for a plebescite after military withdrawal with an impartial administration governed by local security forces. India raised objections as it wanted to disarm azad forces and raised the legality of the accession of maharaja.

The commision came and went back and then it sent Mcnaughton whose recommendations brought about resolution 80 which asked for a 'simultaneously' withdrawal of forces.

US officials accepted that indias refusal to agree to a demilitarization was basically to avoid plebscite which will go in favour of Pakistan some indian officials admitted they would prefer partition.

Then came dixon who proposed partition cum plebscite which was rejected by india as india did not want a neutral admin in the valley. Dixon blamed india squarely.

Then came frank graham who also criticized india for not agreeing to a demilitrization plan.

During all this india also mobilized its forces on international border to put pressure on Pakistan.

Anyways, india has no legal moral or ethical claim on kashmir. if it goes with the legal way, junagadh should go to Pakistan. If it says it came to defend kashmir from invasion, Pakistan can logically send its forces to junagadh and even erstwhile hyderabad to defend against india.
if india says it has popular support from national conference, the muslim conference which had 15 seats out of 21 muslim seats openly declared accession to Pakistan while national conference had 0 seats.

if india says its a secular country and it rejects the two nation theory and muslim majority kashmir are a part of india, well then india must return hindu majority haryana, east punjab and himachal to lahore and west bengal to bangladesh that the congress partiotioned after clear resolution from muslim league rejecting partition.