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You dont know the meaning of the word gist?, You failed in English ALONG with Geography?. It means the meaning of the text, the true sense and true objective of the ayat instead of the exact word to word translation.
That's a good post - now since Islam is for everyone, does that mean one has to speak and read and write arabic to be a Muslim? Or is it that such propositions are a reflection of arbi chauvanism?
Any person who claims Pakistan is arabisized has peanuts in his heads and is a plain
idiot. Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Egypt are the places which have been arabisized i.e arabic
wasn't there language but today they speak it and consider themselves part of
the arab world. We on the other hand never had Arabic as our language, instead till
1830s (when British annexed Punjab and Sindh) the official language of courts was Persian
along with Urdu and other regional languages of Muslims.
Pakistan still officially claims pride in Ghandara Civilization which existed in Northern Punjab, KPK (and a bit of eastern Afghanistan), it still claims pride in Texila and Harrapa civilizations. Yes they need to
put more focus on these in school books but the person who wrote this article knows nothing
about whats the reality on ground.
Pakistan today was not always a part of what you consider India, (only under the Turkic kings i.e Mughals, Ghaznavids, Ghaurids, etc and under Ashoka it was). If we should focus on our history with India and not on local empires on what is today Pakistan's land ( eg Ghandara) then we should also focus on Persian Empire which ruled more than half of what is today's Pakistan. This stupid debate will go on and on. In my opinion we are doing right by highlighting Gandhara civilization as the pride of Pakistan officially rarther than focusing on empires of neighboring countries (Ashoka, Persian, Durrani, etc).
Qur'an was sent to Prophet Muhammad Peace be Upon Him in Arabic. Because at the time Arabic language was the clearest form of language to get any message across. Arabic people in Jahilya (Pre-Islam time) Mastered the language and studied their language carefully you can clearly see that in Jahilya poetry and literature.
These days the Qur'an can be and for the most part was translated to all languages of the world (maybe not in minor languages yet) You can read the Qur'an in any language I have read the English copy of the Qur'an as well to see what it is like to read it in another language and found that some things are not very clear and need require explanation but when I read it in Arabic it is far more clearer than it is in English and the message is delivered far better.
You do not need to learn Arabic as a mandate to go to heaven if that is what you mean.
Any person who claims Pakistan is arabisized has peanuts in his heads and is a plain
idiot. Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Egypt are the places which have been arabisized i.e arabic
wasn't there language but today they speak it and consider themselves part of
the arab world. We on the other hand never had Arabic as our language, instead till
1830s (when British annexed Punjab and Sindh) the official language of courts was Persian
along with Urdu and other regional languages of Muslims.
Pakistan still officially claims pride in Ghandara Civilization which existed in Northern Punjab, KPK (and a bit of eastern Afghanistan), it still claims pride in Texila and Harrapa civilizations. Yes they need to
put more focus on these in school books but the person who wrote this article knows nothing
about whats the reality on ground.
Pakistan today was not always a part of what you consider India, (only under the Turkic kings i.e Mughals, Ghaznavids, Ghaurids, etc and under Ashoka it was). If we should focus on our history with India and not on local empires on what is today Pakistan's land ( eg Ghandara) then we should also focus on Persian Empire which ruled more than half of what is today's Pakistan. This stupid debate will go on and on. In my opinion we are doing right by highlighting Gandhara civilization as the pride of Pakistan officially rarther than focusing on empires of neighboring countries (Ashoka, Persian, Durrani, etc).
should a muslim that doesn't speak arabic read the Holy Quran in a language that he understands or in arabic?
ALLAH GAVE US THE QURAN SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
the majority of pakistani dont know what they are reading because they only read in arabic. So tell me guys who is more muslim, a guy that has read the Holy Quran in arabic, but didn't understand a thing or guy that has readen the Holy Quran in a language he knows and understood the Holy Quran?
EXACTLY.
muse is creating a straw man.
i have never felt ARBI-ISED, i have known enough arabic to supplement my understanding of islam.
maybe its the RELIGION he has a problem with but doesnt have the guts and honesty to say it.
In fact, the bold part is an example of "straw man".
The opening post actually dealt with the dilution of the indigenous culture of Pakistan. The religion in itself never was the issue in this thread, till a few tried their best to drag it in.
should a muslim that doesn't speak arabic read the Holy Quran in a language that he understands or in arabic?
ALLAH GAVE US THE QURAN SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
the majority of pakistani dont know what they are reading because they only read in arabic. So tell me guys who is more muslim, a guy that has read the Holy Quran in arabic, but didn't understand a thing or guy that has readen the Holy Quran in a language he knows and understood the Holy Quran?
According to muse if u can read the Holy Quran in arabic... than you have betrayed ur ancestors and ur culture... and u have been ARBABIZED!
No point in arguing with him!
Mosamania, you are Arabian. You must be well versed in Arabic. You also read Quran in English, and even detected the lack of clarity.
Since you yourself detected it, I am sure you, or any knowledgeable Arabian, can correct that and make it as clear as it should be. May be the explanations will make the book a little thicker, but with efforts, all the material can be put in there with all the clarity, right? Or is it that no matter how well written, an English Quran can never reach the clarity of an Arabic Quran?
Rather, both were against the forced religious necessity of reading the Quran in Arabic.