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Best way to approach China's GDP figures: Ignore them!

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Best way to approach China's GDP figures: Ignore them!


Here's the best way to approach China's gross domestic product figures: ignore them. Things in the world's second-biggest economy are much worse than they appear.

Even if we take the 7.5 percent April-June growth rate at face value, its components suggest a more ominous scenario. Industrial production, for example, rose just 8.9 percent in June compared with May's 9.2 percent gain. For an export-addicted, developing economy, those are anemic increases. It doesn’t take a vivid imagination to see how that will crimp consumption and income growth in the second half of 2013.

But what's really at issue here is an unhealthy obsession with GDP numbers that tell us very little. What difference does it make if Beijing says it's growing 7.7 percent or 7.5 percent or 7 percent? China's level of output at the moment is certainly lower than any of these numbers. Just ask the factory-floor workers, steel-mill managers or electricity providers who are coping with the realities of fast-slowing Chinese demand.

Even in the best of times, China’s data can be about as accurate as tossing a dart at a chart on the wall. It's a structurally imbalanced economy distorted by top-down policies and considerable ``gray activities'' that are hard to measure, not least of which is the sprawling shadow-banking sector on which the central bank has been clamping down. There also are daunting scale issues. With modest resources, Chinese officials sitting in a room need to condense and capture the activities of almost 1.4 billion people at many levels of poverty, prosperity and urbanization over three months or 365 days. Then, they are expected to come up with a single figure that news agencies can headline and traders can react to.

On top of the many moving parts, statistical margins of error and incentives for fudging and manipulating data, consider how stage-managed Chinese data are becoming. Finance Minister Lou Jiwei told reporters in Washington last week that he expected growth to slow to 7 percent this year, below the official target of 7.5 percent. State-run media quickly whitewashed the record, updating stories to show that he had, in fact, said 7.5 percent.

What markets should be focusing on is the herculean task Premier Li Keqiang faces in improving the quality of growth and weaning China off its addictions to exports and overinvestment. Investors should be concerned by the bad-debt crisis festering out in the provinces, and the risks of social instability as growth wanes.

``Analysts, it seems to me, are assuming that China can start with a clean state and grow at a slower but healthier rate once it corrects its mistakes,'' Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Peking University, wrote in a July 10 report. ``All that piled up debt is simply ignored.''

China Exports Trouble

It's also worth considering how destabilizing China's downshift could be from Tokyo to Washington. Sliding Chinese growth is dismal news for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's drive to end Japan's deflation. Abe had hoped to harness a big win for his party in Sunday's Upper House elections to implement structural reforms. That becomes more complicated as economic headwinds from across the East China Sea intensify.

The White House won't be happy either to see the world's only major growth engine sputter. After finally responding to U.S. calls to let the yuan rise, China may feel compelled to devalue its currency anew, enraging U.S. lawmakers.

The great Chinese slowdown bulls claimed would never happen is unfolding before our eyes. Obsessing about every little 0.2 percentage point GDP difference in output distracts us from the real problem: a Chinese hard landing that may impossible to see until it's too late.

Best way to approach China's GDP figures: Ignore them! - The Economic Times

Don't Get Distracted by China's GDP Data - Bloomberg
 
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Sometimes it is hard for me to see whether such people really have an agenda or they are just simply ignorant.
I used to see one Indian claiming Chinese HSR ridership numbers were fake, and his reason was that "one high speed train cannot have more than 5 carriages".

You can fight propaganda, but you can't fix stupid.
Indian C: WHy are we fighting over china and its development. Following our chanakyan philosophy we can make up lies regarding chinese Development. If we can't beat it nor pull its leg , lets just launch a massive propaganda to demonize its achievement. That's the chanakyan way.:azn:

Other Indains pay heed to it with interest and they soon find good friends with similar thinking like Uncle Obama and Auntie elezabeth. Soon news such as Best way to approach China's GDP figures: Ignore them!, chinese hoax GDP figure comes out. The Indian B was pushed aside and ridiculed as a naive idiot.:coffee:
 
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This is a common Indian strategy called the 'ostrich'.

Just like the PISA examinations where students from two of their most respectable states performed dismally, the Indian government then pulled put so they don't have to see their failings.

Works like a charm every time.
 
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The stupids still won't believe that China has been actually under-reporting its GDP figures for years, for the obvious reason that China has a huge huge under-ground economy,where no receipts are required for business transactions,thereby making the collection of taxes by the gorvernment nigh impossible。

This is also one of the reasons why economic censuses,during which enterprises,especially those run by husband and wife,are encouraged to report,penality free,their past true revenues,has led to increases in GDP。

The latest census,under way for 2 years, should reveal the size of the Chinese economy that's is closer to reality。
 
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The stupids still won't believe that China has been actually under-reporting its GDP figures for years, for the obvious reason that China has a huge huge under-ground economy,where no receipts are required for business transactions,thereby making the collection of taxes by the gorvernment nigh impossible。

This is also one of the reasons why economic censuses,during which enterprises,especially those run by husband and wife,are encouraged to report,penality free,their past true revenues,has led to increases in GDP。

The latest census,under way for 2 years, should reveal the size of the Chinese economy that's is closer to reality。

India also has a huge "Black Market" economy, calculated to be around 50% of GDP. And it is estimated to pull down GDP by 5% .
http://www.firstpost.com/economy/without-black-money-india-can-be-9-tn-economy-74539.html
 
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In the US,for example,you get a receipt for buying a hamburger。

In China,you can get away winning businesses worth tens of thousands yuan without issuing a receipt。

I bought a set of rosewood furniture worth 400,000 yuan a few years back without what you know。

If I had demanded the receipt,the cost would had gone up by some 100,000.:ashamed:
 
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In the US,for example,you get a receipt for buying a hamburger。

In China,you can get away winning businesses worth tens of thousands yuan without issuing a receipt。

I bought a set of rosewood furniture worth some 400,000 yuan a few years back without what you know。。。。。:ashamed:

It's true, the underground economy in China is huge.

Even in HK as well. People won't believe how much economic activity goes unreported.
 
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I don't think the real Chinese economy is very much different from what is quoted by the Chinese government. However, I feel that the declining growth rates is less to do with external factors such as less demand from Europe etc..., but to do with internal factors such as huge internal credit that has grown to mammoth proportions.

However what surprises me is that , unlike previous Chinese government that infused liquidity by flowing in huge money into system(like in 2008), the present Government is taking laissez faire approach.
 
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I don't think the real Chinese economy is very much different from what is quoted by the Chinese government. However, I feel that the declining growth rates is less to do with external factors such as less demand from Europe etc..., but to do with internal factors such as huge internal credit that has grown to mammoth proportions.

However what surprises me is that , unlike previous Chinese government that infused liquidity by flowing in huge money into system(like in 2008), the present Government is taking laissez faire approach.

China economy is not short of liquidity, but it requires a more efficient allocation of credit to the real economy and productive sectors as opposed to circulating within the financial system for regulatory arbitrage.
 
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ignore chinese economic data, they are none of Indian's business.

None of these so called China observers has dared to put their money where their mouth is.
 
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So, as usual, chinese forummers are unable to ignore India ... even on a topic which has no linkage to India.

No point commenting on off-topic spamming !!!

boys.. CPC has mortgaged the house you are living in.

So far so good, till it managed to pay the instalments.

Next one is due soon .. .and CPC has run out of money.

Pay up or vacate the house.

No excuses, that CPC "cheated" you.

You shouldn't have been gullible in the first place.


I'm afraid, but I have to tell you, nobody in this world got rich by selling "too cheap".

Either be prepared to dig more coal (and burn it in PRC, off course), or the cycle ends here.

:tup:
 
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