Best thing to happen to Pakistani tax collection: Pay your taxes or get penalised

[I.R.A]

My mother is doing a Govt Job, so her tax is automatically deducted, and is also shown on her pay slip. But she is not issued an NTN number and is not classified as a filer

She doesn't need a NTN. Her CNIC would be her log in id, she needs to have a mobile number registered in her name and an email account. That's it. Once her id and password are generated you can access the tax forms on webportal and fill them out yourself. You will face little hardship first time but after that once you get used to the webportal and its design ...... its no rocket science for a salaried person to file his / her annual income tax return. And yes after end of June 30 every year she needs to ask her employer about the tax deduction certificate, her total income and tax deducted and deposited would be appearing on that.

 

[AZ1]

so I'll have to go to FBR office, pay the bribes and perform the due process right?


My mother is doing a Govt Job, so her tax is automatically deducted, and is also shown on her pay slip. But she is not issued an NTN number and is not classified as a filer

First let me tell you what is a filer?

Filer are those who themselves register on fbr and pay tax return. That's it no matter tax are deducted or not on salary.

Every individual has to register on fbr and file tax return. Company cant file tax return on your behalf.

So make registration on fbr of your mother's id and then file the tax return of 2017-2018 then after sometime they will update their list and name will be added.

 

[Jf Thunder]

First let me tell you what is a filer?

Filer are those who themselves register on fbr and pay tax return. That's it no matter tax are deducted or not on salary.

Every individual has to register on fbr and file tax return. Company cant file tax return on your behalf.

So make registration on fbr of your mother's id and then file the tax return of 2017-2018 then after sometime they will update their list and name will be added.

nah, the FBR is as corrupt as hell, I dont want to waste money on bribes
the tax is already being paid, so the National duty has been fulfilled

That's terrible. I wonder if her tax is even being paid, or if the employer is taking it for himself.

Maybe it's best to check with an accountant who knows about tax matters to see what is actually going on.

use this site maybe?

https://www.fbr.gov.pk/categ/register-income-tax/51147/30846/61149

her pay is sent from the AGPR, obviously being a Government organization it is being paid to the National Treasury

 

[AZ1]

nah, the FBR is as corrupt as hell, I dont want to waste money on bribes
the tax is already being paid, so the National duty has been fulfilled

That is what we all are thinking. But that is not what fbr thinking. They want to have more and more ppl register with them and file tax return every year.

And your mother paying tax yet she is not filer so its a loss. But then once you register with fbr then you have to provide more details like property etc you own ( declaration of assets)

 

[Jf Thunder]

I can draft a written response (to file with FBR) for her, hopefully they won't come chasing her after that. If you wish you can share the details and don't worry I am not a lawyer who would charge for that.

thank you for the considerate response, but the matter was resolved when some good soul told her to ignore the notices, after a while of sending notices with no response, the FBR stopped sending them.
The purpose of the example was that, no matter how much honest or competent IK becomes, until and unless he can restore the people's trust in FBR, no one is going to become a filer.
Well unless he comes up with a mechanism that people can submit their tax directly to the Prime Minister's Office.

Or pay tax accountant he will charge 5,000 to 10,000 to do the work. You have to register online on fbr website and then give id and password to tax accountant he will do the work for you

tax accountants?
are those the lawyers that actually help in evading taxes?

 

[PakSword]

those who earned income by hardwork in foreign countries and bought assets there and returned to country if they are paying taxes in foreign country they are not required to pay tax again here and it is unjust

They are only required to pay tax on income earned in Pakistan, or the wealth tax in Pakistan.

Don't covert a good thing into a bad one for no reason..

 

[I.R.A]

nah, the FBR is as corrupt as hell, I dont want to waste money on bribes
the tax is already being paid, so the National duty has been fulfilled

That is not the correct approach and attitude. You need to understand the importance of this. This makes sure that you don't have any other source of income (taxation is based on heads of income and salary is one of them), and you don't face problems spending your legally earned money.

Buddy document yourself, the life a head isn't going to be easy for people who think that they can live normally and conduct business normally without filing their income tax returns.

Believe me it would get tougher and tougher for people who don't file their income tax returns. Unless you plan to move out of Pakistan.

 

[AZ1]

thank you for the considerate response, but the matter was resolved when some good soul told her to ignore the notices, after a while of sending notices with no response, the FBR stopped sending them.
The purpose of the example was that, no matter how much honest or competent IK becomes, until and unless he can restore the people's trust in FBR, no one is going to become a filer.
Well unless he comes up with a mechanism that people can submit their tax directly to the Prime Minister's Office.


tax accountants?
are those the lawyers that actually help in evading taxes?

Yes sort of these are those ppl who understand fbr clauses better and can save money. In whole world ppl avoid paying taxes as much as they can. Ppl here tell us they are in UK paying taxes etc well they are paying taxes by force and not by wish and then getting benefits in return too Yet ppl avoid taxes there like taxi driver in USA dont pay income cash tax or pizza delivery boy etc.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dear PM Imran, do things step by step. Do planning, a short one, and involve in it.
And as you are human being too, keep building an ulternate leadership in parallel, a better one, may be through PILDAT, so that Pakistan is never left alone.
@Dubious

 

[I.R.A]

no matter how much honest or competent IK becomes, until and unless he can restore the people's trust in FBR, no one is going to become a filer.
Well unless he comes up with a mechanism that people can submit their tax directly to the Prime Minister's Office.

This is very childish

It doesn't work like this. May be when you get a little older and start earning yourself you will understand better. I will never wish taxes to be submitted to PM's office, unless I wish bad for people.

 

[Jf Thunder]

That is not the correct approach and attitude. You need to understand the importance of this. This makes sure that you don't have any other source of income (taxation is based on heads of income and salary is one of them), and you don't face problems spending your legally earned money.

Buddy document yourself, the life a head isn't going to be easy for people who think that they can live normally and conduct business normally without filing their income tax returns.

Believe me it would get tougher and tougher for people who don't file their income tax returns. Unless you plan to move out of Pakistan.

can one really have another source of income with a Government job?
well I get your point, I'll try to do something about this.

This is very childish

It doesn't work like this. May be when you get a little older and start earning yourself you will understand better. I will never wish taxes to be submitted to PM's office, unless I wish bad for people.

It was an example as to how less confidence the FBR commands, in my PoV instead of making new laws and rules, the FBR should start showing a good image of itself to the population.

 

[I.R.A]

can one really have another source of income with a Government job?

Yes. Property income, business income, he / she may be a partner in an AOP (association of persons), interest income, dividends these are few other heads of income you know.

Get your mother's return(s) filed ASAP. If you can spare PKR 5,000 pay it to someone who can do it for you.

It was an example as to how less confidence the FBR commands, in my PoV instead of making new laws and rules, the FBR should start showing a good image of itself to the population.

FBR is nothing without Income Tax laws. Just think of Income tax laws as constitution of FBR.

 

[War Thunder]

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Lol, warning tax evaders to benefit from an opportunity or suffer the consequences is called "openly threatening citizens"?

What are you, an idiot?

 

[Jf Thunder]

Yes. Property income, business income, he / she may be a partner in an AOP (association of persons), interest income, dividends these are few other heads of income you know.

Get your mother's return(s) filed ASAP. If you can spare PKR 5,000 pay it to someone who can do it for you.



FBR is nothing without Income Tax laws. Just think of Income tax laws as constitution of FBR.

fair point

 

[PakSword]

My mother is doing a Govt Job, so her tax is automatically deducted, and is also shown on her pay slip. But she is not issued an NTN number and is not classified as a filer

Brother, you need to understand why getting an NTN number is important.

The salaried class individuals, though their incomes are taxed at source, still have the responsibility to file the income tax return.. Why? Because many people earn salary and run business on the side. Filing a return is a declaration that an individual has earned a particular income from different sources and pay the tax/ get the rebate if necessary.

I give you an example.

Suppose I am a salaried individual and have a restaurant as well. I earn 100,000 per month from my job and pay tax at source according to the tax bracket applicable @1.2 million Rupees.

However, I earn another 100,000 per month roughly from my restaurant. The bracket that applies to me now is of 2.4 million Rupees, which might mean that I need to pay more tax even on my salary income. But of course, my employer is not concerned because it only deducts tax on the basis of PKR 1.2 million, and it will not deduct more even if I request.. it is my responsibility to disclose other income honestly and pay the tax accordingly.

In another case, I may incur a loss on my restaurant and may ask the government to pay back some of the tax deducted from salary..

But the first step is to file the return.. to tell the government that how many sources of income and how much income I have earned, and how much I have paid towards my income tax.