best option for pakistan in iran war

[Crystal-Clear]

stay away

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

we pakistanis are exaggerating cpec too much it’s nothing as strategic as we think project like these happen every day

Right now CPEC is just Road , important for china as strategic point of view against india, and we took loans to make this road. For Pakistanis it will take minimum 10, 20 years there for industrial areas, population in Gwader etc

 

[BHarwana]

finally a sane voice
we can’t always be blackmailed by proxy wars beat the shit out of anyone talk about country jail zardari for starters


wht about we enjoy arab friendship
u know how far they go just to prove it

We are already friends with Arabs. We have pledged to protect Saudis at all cost. What can be bigger than this?

If GCC wants us to go to war with Iran then pay cost of CPEC upfront to us first and then we go to war. Because if we fight Iran CPEC will be the first casualty and it costed $100 billion till now.

 

[ali_raza]

India did not get anything for H1..That policy is same for everyone including Pakistan..And on top of that you have to ask a question of the importance of Pakistan in Gulf Iran war??
Why do you think even Pakistan is needed in 1st place??
Your only leverage with US is Taliban in Afganistan...

we are not important wow
our cards are endless if we r ready to play

It has to do with the lack of understanding of religion itself.. when Pakistani men & women weep at an Arabic so f describing love making thinking its recitation of Quran; then being swindled for politics in the name of religion is easy. Be it by Iran or GCC.

Islam isn’t arab just because it is in Arabic and neither is our collective understanding of Islam as Pakistanis need to have any influence on it from Arab or persian sources.

i always say that
i meet lebenese egyption and all kind of arabic please
they r happy they are in no way as hardline as we pakistanis are.sometime i think we have actually destroyed islam

 

[zulu]

No friend he is right as i mention here and in other post they dont need us at least at this moment i m still checking that rocket attack near US embassy in Baghdad and later Bolton arrival at white house

we are not important wow
our cards are endless if we r ready to play

 

[ali_raza]

We are already friends with Arabs. We have pledged to protect Saudis at all cost. What can be bigger than this?

If GCC wants us to go to war with Iran then pay cost of CPEC upfront to us first and then we go to war. Because if we fight Iran CPEC will be the first casualty and it costed $100 billion till now.

trust me they can do more then that
when it comes to writing cheques arabs have giant hearts

Hi,

From where did you become a devils advocate---. I have not seen any invigorating threads by you---.

You put up a phus phusi post and become a devil's advocate---.

hahaha phus phusi

 

[Imad.Khan]

the only logical thing from here for pakistan.
join USA GCC wholeheartedly
demand 8 things which will be super easy.
1:afghanistan which they are leaving anyway.
2:struck off all debts which can be done with strock of pen.
3: atleast 10 billion aid.5 from usa 5 from gcc combined.and plus 100 billion investment.from allies.
4: engage 100k troops.
but demand 25% of irani land bordering pakistan.and also a slice from other resources.by this we will fully control hormuz and our standing in gulf will reach skies.we maybe even invited to GcC in future.
5: make a long-standing alliance peg rupee with dollar do a currency reforms take 100 old rupees and give em 1 new rupee a stronger rupee pegged with usd ask FTA from america and gcc.
6:push for an arms deal.worth 50 billion upgrade the whole military.csf alone of 2bln from us will contribute enough on top gulf allies can fund us like egypt.
7:ack as a bride between america and china which we always were.
the FTA which we will get will force china to relocate huge industries to pakistan making us a manufacturing hub of region.
8:to make things solid throw an idea of giving 2 bases to america one shamsi.another along arabian sea.this will guarantee future of relationship and make americans committed ro the understandings.
with this small adjustment we will be from no body of today in a year will be super power.cherry on top nukes and cpec.
indians only understand language of power.they will come on term like good boys
we will see a prosperity like never before all we need is some courage
@MastanKhan @Mangus Ortus Novem @Khafee @waz @BHarwana @Winchester

There are a few things to keep in mind here,

1. Can we trust US?
2. What if tomorrow US decides to attack Pakistan in a similar fashion, we will have countries like India and Afghanistan wanting to feed on us like vultures.
3. What will be Pakistan's standing among the Muslim countries?
4. Why would US even care about whether Pakistan is in their camp or not?
5. Why would US give Pakistan any of the things thats in your list? They can play the "Are you with us or against us" card again.
6. Lets assume US gives everything that you listed, Whats the guarantee that it will not just reverse its decision once its achieved its objectives?
7. If Pakistan gives America military bases again, What will be China's reaction?
8. What if US doesn't win and gets bogged down and then leaves, who do you think Iranians will seek revenge on?
9. Once the threat of Iran disappears the GCC countries won't need Pakistan either.

 

[BHarwana]

Okay @ali_raza let's attack Iran. Here is what we need.

72 F-35A
10 AWAC
250 Abraham
5 C-17
2 general Ford class with F-35C
4 Ohio class subs
11 batteries of PAC 3
96 Apache
35 CH-47
46 A-10
150 armed drones
2 com 2 remort sensing and 3 earth imaging SATs.
Few ageis destroyers
Few landing ships.

 

[waqasmwi]

the only logical thing from here for pakistan.
join USA GCC wholeheartedly
demand 8 things which will be super easy.
1:afghanistan which they are leaving anyway.
2:struck off all debts which can be done with strock of pen.
3: atleast 10 billion aid.5 from usa 5 from gcc combined.and plus 100 billion investment.from allies.
4: engage 100k troops.
but demand 25% of irani land bordering pakistan.and also a slice from other resources.by this we will fully control hormuz and our standing in gulf will reach skies.we maybe even invited to GcC in future.
5: make a long-standing alliance peg rupee with dollar do a currency reforms take 100 old rupees and give em 1 new rupee a stronger rupee pegged with usd ask FTA from america and gcc.
6:push for an arms deal.worth 50 billion upgrade the whole military.csf alone of 2bln from us will contribute enough on top gulf allies can fund us like egypt.
7:ack as a bride between america and china which we always were.
the FTA which we will get will force china to relocate huge industries to pakistan making us a manufacturing hub of region.
8:to make things solid throw an idea of giving 2 bases to america one shamsi.another along arabian sea.this will guarantee future of relationship and make americans committed ro the understandings.
with this small adjustment we will be from no body of today in a year will be super power.cherry on top nukes and cpec.
indians only understand language of power.they will come on term like good boys
we will see a prosperity like never before all we need is some courage
@MastanKhan @Mangus Ortus Novem @Khafee @waz @BHarwana @Winchester

Wo kis tarah hai k
,,thorri si jo pi li hai,,

 

[Dr. Abdul Basit]

Hi,

From where did you become a devils advocate---. I have not seen any invigorating threads by you---.

You put up a phus phusi post and become a devil's advocate---.

Really don't know what Phus Phusi is? seems funny and sarcastic too....(sorry sir, i am a pathan with not much grab of punjabi or urdu literature), but i didn't mean to be high end advocate, just a thought on people taking sides already for the conflict that has not even started as yet

 

[MastanKhan]

its called the fallout

totally ignoring that we are next door neighbors. what happened to us after the chaos in a much smaller country of Afghanistan. now our warboys want to screw CPEC . very smart indeed

Hi,

Who wants war with iran---? It is iran which wants war---all of its threats and actions are forcing the US to act---.

The saudis did not stir up anything in iran and neither did the emirates---otoh---iran supplying arms and trainer to the houthis---for what reason---.

Poor---kind gentle---innocent houthis---got ensnared in the trap of iran---and got decimated---so that the skin of iran may not get damaged---.

But what were the houthis really thinking---. Did they never realize from the begining that they would be decimated in this proxy war that they started fighting for iran---.

But iran can only run so far---. It is running out of countries to do chaos in---it is running out of options to start wars in other countries---.

The problems it had created the world over---they have to come back and iran will have to face them---.

Pakistan needs to send its troops to the GCC to provide and create a sense of security---and bring the temperature down---.

If pak military had sent 150K troops to that region years ago---the yemen crisis would have been neutered and GCC would not be threatened by iran---.

Iran is simply running out of options---. It has gotten snared in its own trap--.

There are a few things to keep in mind here,

1. Can we trust US?
2. What if tomorrow US decides to attack Pakistan in a similar fashion, we will have countries like India and Afghanistan wanting to feed on us like vultures.
3. What will be Pakistan's standing among the Muslim countries?
4. Why would US even care about whether Pakistan is in their camp or not?
5. Why would US give Pakistan any of the things thats in your list? They can play the "Are you with us or against us" card again.
6. Lets assume US gives everything that you listed, Whats the guarantee that it will not just reverse its decision once its achieved its objectives?
7. If Pakistan gives America military bases again, What will be China's reaction?
8. What if US doesn't win and gets bogged down and then leaves, who do you think Iranians will seek revenge on?
9. Once the threat of Iran disappears the GCC countries won't need Pakistan either.

Hi,

No we cannot---. Never let the US military enter you arena---they have tasted blood---.

Do not create a situation where the U S military has to enter---.

That is why---pakistan's entry into yemen crisis was very important---.

Now that the U S enter the iran arena---then what is next---the ultimate target---pakistan's assets---.

Iranians are stupid---mark my words---they have done every thing to sabotage our tactical strength---and we are bigger stupid than them---.

This current game is to de-fang pakistan of its assets---and all the pakistani fools are yapping over here---clueless as to what is at stake---.

You have no clue of the monstrosity of the american military machine---.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We were talking about 9/11 as back than what choices did we have?if u rem our condition that time after so long sanctions and what about Dr Abdul Qadir Khan issue???u have to give credit of it to Musharaff right?

Everything which we are suffering today began with Musharraf: proxy terrorism, isolation from our neighbors, Loss our narrative on Kashmir globally, NROs for all corrupt personalities, hate and anger in Afghanistan against us, and our current economic distress.

He was just as dangerous for Pakistan as Nawaz and Zardari.

 

[PakAlp]

Full USA war with Iran would be devastating for both the parties. USA cannot send ground forces to Iran as Iranians would eat them alive, and USA has no interest in occupation of Iran. They only want to send Iran back 50years and this way Iran power in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen will collapse. Their world proxies/allies will weaken and will be destroyed and overtaken by the vampires like the Saudis and it's proxies.

The Iranian airforce is no match for the USA and allies airforce so i doubt Iran will use its full airforce nor will it be any effective. Most of it will be destroyed on the ground and those which will fly like the mig29 will be destroyed in the sky.

The USA aim will be to destroy all known nuclear facilities, missile facilities/factories. Destroy airbases. Destroy major military installments, Airports, seaports, economical, trade places, routes. This will set Iran back 50years, their military power will collapse, economy will be destroyed, poverty will increase.

This might take the usa a few weeks of heavy air attacks and missile attacks from the sea.

All this will lead to an unstable Iran and ISIS Alqaida will be able to enter Iran to cause chaos. Remember if Iran military is weakened 50%, economy weakened 50% proxies weakened 50% then the only outcome is unstable Iran full of internal issues and attacks.

Iranian opposition will try to get the power in order to change the regime and become USA stooges. This will continue for decades as Iranian mullas will fight back. This way iran wont be any threat to the Saudi establishment nor Israel so game over.

I fully oppose the war and I think Pakistan should do the same. Iran is our neighbour and a Muslim power. It will make us weaker to have Iraq next to us. We will become more weaker and unstable.

Lastly Iran has 2 options.
1st Either change their stance and accept European Usa proposals and bring peace in to their country but we all know the western world wants Iran to obey them, so they will keep making excuses in order to make you a puppet.

2nd If Russia/China sends their military/airforce to Iran to protect it. This will stop any attack on Iran as this will lead to world war 3. Take the example of Qatar and Syria. if Turkey didnt send army to Qatar then Qatar would have been a Saudi colony and if Russians army didnt enter Syria then Usa/nato would have bombed the country just like they did to Iraq and Libya.

Iranians on pdf think they have the 3rd option of a full scale war with Usa and allies and Iran will come out as a winner is just the reason why the Muslims are in this mess. We dont have the education and mindset in order to become a successful world power like in the past where we ruled the world. Our leaders make powerful speeches and we think we are untouchable. If you look at the Islamic history, our countries were powerful, our children were educated, we invented technology and military was powerful. They didn't just dream of victories, they worked harder than the rest of the world.

In the 21st century we have 50+ countries and we all hate each other. We plot against each other and then we use religion to hide our weaknesses. Iran needs to play it's cards right otherwise it will be it's downfall. Will India come to Irans rescue?

I hope Iran has security pack with Russia or China just incase of an attack. Iran needs to leave India and join China camp.

 

[Khan_patriot]

To seedha seedha ghashti ban gaye Amreeka ki phir sa. This is an extremely tall order and the US has neither the inclination or the need to give us the offer.

 

[Yaseen1]

it will promote civil unrest in Pakistan if we support u.s they will implant isis and bla in our balochistan and allow india to operate from iran to destroy Pakistan like u.s did in afghanistan