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Bengali Hindus in Muslim-majority Bangladesh

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The Jamaat-e-Islami, many of whose leaders are charged with war crimes and threatening the life and property of Bengali Hindus, has used its propaganda apparatus to portray itself as a victim of witch-hunting.


The ‘Partition’ was swift and vicious in the Punjabs and Sindh where religious minorities have ceased to exist for all practical purposes. This is not so in the Bengals, where many still live on their ancestral land.

Few moments in the past century have evoked as much hope in its stakeholders as the emergence of the secular nation-state of Bangladesh in the eastern part of the subcontinent. That nation is in serious turmoil. In the last two years, the Opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party–Jamaat-e-Islami combine has been partially successful in using its massive economic clout and propaganda apparatus to portray itself as a victim of state-sponsored witch-hunting.

The ‘witch-hunting’ boils down to two things that can finish off the Jamaat as a viable political force. The first is the de-registration of the Jamaat as an electoral force as per a Supreme court order that bars any party that “puts God before the democratic process”. The second is the war crimes trial of those who committed crimes against humanity during 1971. Much of the present Jamaat leadership was heavily involved in murder, rape, arson and forced conversions. In a subcontinent where politics thrives on the erasure of public memory, this episode has stubbornly refused to disappear. A dilly-dallying Awami League government was almost forced by the youth movement in Shahbag to pursue the war crimes trial seriously. Facing the prospect of political annihilation, the Jamaat responded by a three-pronged offensive. It marshalled its cadres and young Madrassa students and use them for blockading Dhaka. It lent its activists to a BNP in disarray to act as boots on the ground. It carried out targeted attacks on the homes, businesses and places of worship of Hindus, the nation’s largest religious minority.

In 2001, after the BNP-led alliance won the elections, the usual pattern of murder, rape and arson targeting Hindus happened on a very large scale. Hindus have traditionally voted for the Awami League. The guarantee for ‘jaan and maal’ (life and property) is important for the survival of any people. In the Awami League regime, although property and homestead have been regularly taken away by the powerful persons of the party, systematic attacks on minorities are not part of the party’s policy. The same cannot be said of the BNP-Jamaat partnership, which regularly threatened both jaan and maal. It is not hard to see why Hindus chose the devil over the deep sea. This time, Hindus seemed to be out of favour from both sides. While they were targeted by the BNP-Jamaat for coming out to vote at all, in other areas they were targeted by Awami League rebels for coming out to vote for the official Awami League candidate who happened to be of the Hindu faith. There have been disturbing signs over the past few years that at the local level, the difference between the ‘secular’ Awami League and the communal-fundamentalist BNP-Jamaat is beginning to disappear, though publicly the former does not tire in parroting the staunchly secular ideals of 1971.

A throwback to 1971

The violence unleashed against the Hindus this time, before and after the January 5 polls, have been worst in Jessore, Dinajpur and Satkhira, though many other places like Thakurgaon, Rangpur, Bogra, Lalmonirhat, Gaibandha, Rajshahi and Chittagong have been affected. Malopara in Abhaynagar, Jessore, inhabited by Bengali Dalit castes, has been attacked repeatedly. Large-scale attacks on villages, businesses and places of worship, able-bodied men being on night vigils, women huddling together in one place — all these things brought back memories of 1971 for many of the inhabitants.

In Hazrail Rishipara of Jessore, women were raped at gunpoint for the crime that their families had voted in the election. Dinajpur has been badly hit with cases of beatings, arson on homes, shops, haystacks and crops. Both Jessore and Dinajpur being areas bordering West Bengal, crossing the border in self-preservation is a sad trek that many have undergone. It creates an environment that forces the remaining Hindus to ask the question ‘Why am I still here?’ ‘Partition’ continues.

The ‘Partition’ was swift and vicious in the Punjabs and Sindh where religious minorities have ceased to exist for all practical purposes. This is not so in the Bengals, where many still live on the ancestral land claimed by nations whose legitimacies are much more recent than people’s ancestral claims over their homestead. More than 25 per cent of Bengal’s western half’s population is Mohammeddan (the figure was 19.46 per cent in 1951, after the 1947 Partition). In the eastern half, 8.5 per cent of the population is Hindu (it was 22 per cent in 1951). In Bengal, secularism has political currency. It was one of the foundational principles of the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War.


How did things come to be this way? The autocratic years of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s BAKSAL, the long years of army rule when the barracks used Islam to create a veneer of political legitimacy beyond the Awami League and pro-liberation forces, the overtures by mainstream parties to fundamentalist groupings — all these have given religion-based politics a front-row seat in the nation. Religiopolitical organisations have not been immune to the violent turn of this brand of politics internationally in the last two decades. Pro-Pakistan forces, which looked to faith-unity as the basis of statehood, did not disappear after the Liberation War. They were broadly and transiently (as it increasingly seems) de-legitimised due to their role in the atrocities of 1971.


But what about the project — that religion marks a nation? What about the splinters of such an idea stuck deep in political and societal structures? That trend has persisted, even expanded. In the imagination of all the ruling factions since 1947 during East Bengal, East Pakistan and Bangladesh periods, there has been a tacit understanding of the normative citizen — a Mohameddan Bengali male or a Bengali Mohameddan male. Hindus there are a living reminder of an identity that is not fully coterminous with ideas that conflate Bengaliness (or ‘Bangladeshiness’) with that normative citizen. Their progressive numerical marginality makes this conflation project easier. Such projects often live in the underside of mindscapes that can be ‘secular’ in very many declarations. Thus, they can be marginalised without being actively targeted, in ‘innocuous’ everyday dealings.


The majority can decide to be whatever it wants and the minority has to follow suit in a modern nation-state. So, Bengali Hindus were expected to become ‘Pakistanis’ overnight in 1947 just as others elsewhere were expected to suddenly become ‘Indians’. While Bengali Muslim politicians have the autonomous agency to de-Pakistanise themselves at will, East Bengali Hindus could only publicly do so upon an explicit cue from their Bengali Muslim brethren. Just like other minorities, “extra-territorial loyalty” is the slur that is bandied about. And this is also what makes minorities cautious, anxious and lesser citizens in a polity where they cannot critique their state in all the ways a majority community person can.

Still one cannot but hope that the People’s Republic of Bangladesh would live up to some of its original ideals. Minorities have fled the nation-state for want of security in large numbers, year after year. There is significant presence of minorities in the bureaucracy and local administration. Even during the recent spate of violence, the state has transferred police officials for failing to provide security. This reality exists too. It is this reality that partly prevents a mass exodus of Hindus beyond the levels seen at present. For many, they have too much to lose to be able to leave. And that is a problem for a religious majoritarian nation-state.

(The writer is a researcher at Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

Bengali Hindus in Muslim-majority Bangladesh - The Hindu

A bit old article, but still very very relevant! No trolling please.
 
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Don't you think it is prudent for Hindus there to leave with dignity and shift here? It is beneficial for them as well as for India.
 
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Don't you think it is prudent for Hindus there to leave with dignity and shift here? It is beneficial for them as well as for India.

That's what they are doing for decades...this issue won't remain relevant in another 20 years max! Still, it is good to know the opinion of Bangladeshi members on this issue.
 
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Protecting life and property of minority communities is the responsibility of any nation state. When they fail in that responsibility, the blame goes to the ruling elite as well as the majority community. Having said that South Asian nations being poor and underdeveloped has been terrible with safeguarding basic and fundamental right of citizens of minority communities, hopefully things will improve as economic conditions improve in all South Asian countries.

Personally I have had Hindu friends and colleagues, both Bengali and non-Bengali South Asian. I had a Hindu Bangladeshi as my room mate during college years in the US. As for Bangladeshi Hindu's, as far as I know, most Bangladeshi Muslims do not look towards or deal with them as alien. They are in fact the original sons of the soil and have relatively minor practical cultural difference except for the religion, as Bangladeshi Muslims have originated mostly from Bengali Hindu's, Buddhists and animists.

But history had not been kind to the relations between the two communities. The 190 year long British period is known for Hindu Zamindar's collaboration with the British and economic oppression of the Muslims in Bengal. This has been the main reason why Bengal Muslims opted for Pakistan to escape that domination and oppression. West Pakistani's again took the role of oppressors during the 24 years of Pakistan period, so Bangladesh was born to achieve freedom from that oppression.

Most of the Hindu Zamindars and money lender families have left for India since 1947. The Hindu's that remain in Bangladesh I believe are mostly from economically backward classes and not the elite British collaborator families. Because they are from the minority community, they are targeted by powerful local people from the majority Muslim community, regardless of party affiliation. A Hindu family's property, mainly land, is a lucrative target as they can be bought at a fraction of the market price if the family is threatened and, as a result, have to leave for India for better security of life and property (Jaan and Mal, as the article in OP mentioned). This indeed is the main economic driver for the migration. Land is scarce commodity in this densely populated country, even rural land has high value. So no party in power can fully solve this problem, unless the economic condition improves, the country develops at a higher pace and law and order situation improves where life and property is secure for all people including those of minorities.
 
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Bullshit thread .
GTFO & post this thread in your own turban .
 
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Protecting life and property of minority communities is the responsibility of any nation state. When they fail in that responsibility, the blame goes to the ruling elite as well as the majority community. Having said that South Asian nations being poor and underdeveloped has been terrible with safeguarding basic and fundamental right of citizens of minority communities, hopefully things will improve as economic conditions improve in all South Asian countries.

Personally I have had Hindu friends and colleagues, both Bengali and non-Bengali South Asian. I had a Hindu Bangladeshi as my room mate during college years in the US. As for Bangladeshi Hindu's, as far as I know, most Bangladeshi Muslims do not look towards or deal with them as alien. They are in fact the original sons of the soil and have relatively minor practical cultural difference except for the religion, as Bangladeshi Muslims have originated mostly from Bengali Hindu's, Buddhists and animists.

But history had not been kind to the relations between the two communities. The 190 year long British period is known for Hindu Zamindar's collaboration with the British and economic oppression of the Muslims in Bengal. This has been the main reason why Bengal Muslims opted for Pakistan to escape that domination and oppression. West Pakistani's again took the role of oppressors during the 24 years of Pakistan period, so Bangladesh was born to achieve freedom from that oppression.

Most of the Hindu Zamindars and money lender families have left for India since 1947. The Hindu's that remain in Bangladesh I believe are mostly from economically backward classes and not the elite British collaborator families. Because they are from the minority community, they are targeted by powerful local people from the majority Muslim community, regardless of party affiliation. A Hindu families property, mainly land, is a lucrative target as they can be bought at a fraction of the market price if the family is threatened and, as a result, have to leave for India for better security of life and property (Jaan and Mal, as the article in OP mentioned). This indeed is the main economic driver for the migration. Land is scarce commodity in this densely populated country, even rural land has high value. So no party in power can fully solve this problem, unless the economic condition improves, the country develops at a higher pace and law and order situation improves where life and property is secure for all people including those of minorities.
History will tell you that people in this region are only good in oppressing each others. Strong will oppress the weaker irrespective of his religion. If Hindus were united among each others then they would never be able to conquered easily by outsider. They blame others for their own weakness and discrimination and look even today they oppress dalits. low caste s people and minority and dont give them same social rights even when they say that all Indians belong to same race so they will say that ancestors of Indian Muslims were Hindus( mostly cowards in their book because they left Hinduism) and then will go for taking the revenge of persian/arab/turk/mughal/mongol invaders from fellow weak Indian Muslims and will even try to run ghar wapis scheme to bring back those cowards Muslim in fold of Hinduism so this mentality was the main reason behind two nation theory to preserve your Islamic identity as well getting political power for Muslims of sub continent but sadly west Pakistani elite kept this mentality of superior vs inferior which existed among Hindus so if they have been strict believer of two nation theory then it should have been based on Islamic principles of equality, fairness and justice where caste/race play less significant role..
 
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Then, why are you here?

To discuss with all the Bangladeshis here, there are roughly one crore Hindus still left in Bangladesh, we will face challenges in terms of land and resources to accommodate all of them eventually, naturally we should be concerned. Besides, it is natural for a Bengali of Bangal origin like me to be concerned about some other Bengalis across the border.

@Saiful Islam @kobiraaz @Avisheik @Riyad @MBI Munshi @Luffy 500 @Md Akmal @khair_ctg @Stannis Baratheon @asad71 @bdslph @jahidus2005 @Nabil365 @Al-zakir @iajdani
 
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Hindus in Muslim (educated, rich) Bangladesh has no problem. But in other cases they have problem. Because I have never seen higher lineage Muslims act discrimination against a Hindu. But the neo Muslims converted one-two generation before are the most fandoo and most communal. These are neither Muslim nor Hindu. Siraj ud daula and Ali vardi khan's top position were always filled with Hindus. That too far from Kashmir. And Bengali higher caste Hindus are most enlightened and lower caste Hindus are the most communal. And our family always look down on people who marries Hindus and dont like to keep good relation with them. That too if they convert to Islam. Muslims were few in number before the arrival of British. Due to their reluctance to convert people. But soon after British taken over, the subjugation of British and Brahmins led birth to bulk number of Muslim convert. That time people from other parts of India Hindu Muslims migrated also. And Bengal dramatically changed to become Muslim majority area. Now if those neo Muslims cause trouble for you know this they are your brothers.

And btw Hindus going to India is a cause of discrimination against them then what will you tell Muslims going to India illegally? Doesnt make sense really.
 
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To discuss with all the Bangladeshis here, there are roughly one crore Hindus still left in Bangladesh, we will face challenges in terms of land and resources to accommodate all of them eventually, naturally we should be concerned. Besides, it is natural for a Bengali of Bangal origin like me to be concerned about some other Bengalis across the border.

@Saiful Islam @kobiraaz @Avisheik @Riyad @MBI Munshi @Luffy 500 @Md Akmal @khair_ctg @Stannis Baratheon @asad71 @bdslph @jahidus2005 @Nabil365 @Al-zakir @iajdani
in India, you should be ready for Muslim refugees escaping the commie-Brahmin hell hole called Bangladesh
 
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in India, you should be ready for Muslim refugees escaping the commie-Brahmin hell hole called Bangladesh
Are you dense, why would they leave for India then? You always state Bangladesh is an Indian puppet state then why should they take refuge in the puppet master? o_O
 
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Don't you think it is prudent for Hindus there to leave with dignity and shift here? It is beneficial for them as well as for India.

living with dignity ?? whics place is that, malda? mushirabad ? or the secular lands of kerala ?? don't you think, Kashmiri Pandits should focus on regaining their dignity, status and property in the srinagar before advising bdeshi hindus.. :enjoy:
 
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Bengali Hindus in Muslim-majority Bangladesh

16TH_COMMENT_JAMAA_1720734f.jpg

AP

The Jamaat-e-Islami, many of whose leaders are charged with war crimes and threatening the life and property of Bengali Hindus, has used its propaganda apparatus to portray itself as a victim of witch-hunting.


The ‘Partition’ was swift and vicious in the Punjabs and Sindh where religious minorities have ceased to exist for all practical purposes. This is not so in the Bengals, where many still live on their ancestral land.

Few moments in the past century have evoked as much hope in its stakeholders as the emergence of the secular nation-state of Bangladesh in the eastern part of the subcontinent. That nation is in serious turmoil. In the last two years, the Opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party–Jamaat-e-Islami combine has been partially successful in using its massive economic clout and propaganda apparatus to portray itself as a victim of state-sponsored witch-hunting.

The ‘witch-hunting’ boils down to two things that can finish off the Jamaat as a viable political force. The first is the de-registration of the Jamaat as an electoral force as per a Supreme court order that bars any party that “puts God before the democratic process”. The second is the war crimes trial of those who committed crimes against humanity during 1971. Much of the present Jamaat leadership was heavily involved in murder, rape, arson and forced conversions. In a subcontinent where politics thrives on the erasure of public memory, this episode has stubbornly refused to disappear. A dilly-dallying Awami League government was almost forced by the youth movement in Shahbag to pursue the war crimes trial seriously. Facing the prospect of political annihilation, the Jamaat responded by a three-pronged offensive. It marshalled its cadres and young Madrassa students and use them for blockading Dhaka. It lent its activists to a BNP in disarray to act as boots on the ground. It carried out targeted attacks on the homes, businesses and places of worship of Hindus, the nation’s largest religious minority.

In 2001, after the BNP-led alliance won the elections, the usual pattern of murder, rape and arson targeting Hindus happened on a very large scale. Hindus have traditionally voted for the Awami League. The guarantee for ‘jaan and maal’ (life and property) is important for the survival of any people. In the Awami League regime, although property and homestead have been regularly taken away by the powerful persons of the party, systematic attacks on minorities are not part of the party’s policy. The same cannot be said of the BNP-Jamaat partnership, which regularly threatened both jaan and maal. It is not hard to see why Hindus chose the devil over the deep sea. This time, Hindus seemed to be out of favour from both sides. While they were targeted by the BNP-Jamaat for coming out to vote at all, in other areas they were targeted by Awami League rebels for coming out to vote for the official Awami League candidate who happened to be of the Hindu faith. There have been disturbing signs over the past few years that at the local level, the difference between the ‘secular’ Awami League and the communal-fundamentalist BNP-Jamaat is beginning to disappear, though publicly the former does not tire in parroting the staunchly secular ideals of 1971.

A throwback to 1971

The violence unleashed against the Hindus this time, before and after the January 5 polls, have been worst in Jessore, Dinajpur and Satkhira, though many other places like Thakurgaon, Rangpur, Bogra, Lalmonirhat, Gaibandha, Rajshahi and Chittagong have been affected. Malopara in Abhaynagar, Jessore, inhabited by Bengali Dalit castes, has been attacked repeatedly. Large-scale attacks on villages, businesses and places of worship, able-bodied men being on night vigils, women huddling together in one place — all these things brought back memories of 1971 for many of the inhabitants.

In Hazrail Rishipara of Jessore, women were raped at gunpoint for the crime that their families had voted in the election. Dinajpur has been badly hit with cases of beatings, arson on homes, shops, haystacks and crops. Both Jessore and Dinajpur being areas bordering West Bengal, crossing the border in self-preservation is a sad trek that many have undergone. It creates an environment that forces the remaining Hindus to ask the question ‘Why am I still here?’ ‘Partition’ continues.

The ‘Partition’ was swift and vicious in the Punjabs and Sindh where religious minorities have ceased to exist for all practical purposes. This is not so in the Bengals, where many still live on the ancestral land claimed by nations whose legitimacies are much more recent than people’s ancestral claims over their homestead. More than 25 per cent of Bengal’s western half’s population is Mohammeddan (the figure was 19.46 per cent in 1951, after the 1947 Partition). In the eastern half, 8.5 per cent of the population is Hindu (it was 22 per cent in 1951). In Bengal, secularism has political currency. It was one of the foundational principles of the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War.


How did things come to be this way? The autocratic years of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s BAKSAL, the long years of army rule when the barracks used Islam to create a veneer of political legitimacy beyond the Awami League and pro-liberation forces, the overtures by mainstream parties to fundamentalist groupings — all these have given religion-based politics a front-row seat in the nation. Religiopolitical organisations have not been immune to the violent turn of this brand of politics internationally in the last two decades. Pro-Pakistan forces, which looked to faith-unity as the basis of statehood, did not disappear after the Liberation War. They were broadly and transiently (as it increasingly seems) de-legitimised due to their role in the atrocities of 1971.


But what about the project — that religion marks a nation? What about the splinters of such an idea stuck deep in political and societal structures? That trend has persisted, even expanded. In the imagination of all the ruling factions since 1947 during East Bengal, East Pakistan and Bangladesh periods, there has been a tacit understanding of the normative citizen — a Mohameddan Bengali male or a Bengali Mohameddan male. Hindus there are a living reminder of an identity that is not fully coterminous with ideas that conflate Bengaliness (or ‘Bangladeshiness’) with that normative citizen. Their progressive numerical marginality makes this conflation project easier. Such projects often live in the underside of mindscapes that can be ‘secular’ in very many declarations. Thus, they can be marginalised without being actively targeted, in ‘innocuous’ everyday dealings.


The majority can decide to be whatever it wants and the minority has to follow suit in a modern nation-state. So, Bengali Hindus were expected to become ‘Pakistanis’ overnight in 1947 just as others elsewhere were expected to suddenly become ‘Indians’. While Bengali Muslim politicians have the autonomous agency to de-Pakistanise themselves at will, East Bengali Hindus could only publicly do so upon an explicit cue from their Bengali Muslim brethren. Just like other minorities, “extra-territorial loyalty” is the slur that is bandied about. And this is also what makes minorities cautious, anxious and lesser citizens in a polity where they cannot critique their state in all the ways a majority community person can.

Still one cannot but hope that the People’s Republic of Bangladesh would live up to some of its original ideals. Minorities have fled the nation-state for want of security in large numbers, year after year. There is significant presence of minorities in the bureaucracy and local administration. Even during the recent spate of violence, the state has transferred police officials for failing to provide security. This reality exists too. It is this reality that partly prevents a mass exodus of Hindus beyond the levels seen at present. For many, they have too much to lose to be able to leave. And that is a problem for a religious majoritarian nation-state.

(The writer is a researcher at Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

Bengali Hindus in Muslim-majority Bangladesh - The Hindu

A bit old article, but still very very relevant! No trolling please.
funny Indians
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Don't you think it is prudent for Hindus there to leave with dignity and shift here? It is beneficial for them as well as for India.
 
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To discuss with all the Bangladeshis here, there are roughly one crore Hindus still left in Bangladesh, we will face challenges in terms of land and resources to accommodate all of them eventually, naturally we should be concerned. Besides, it is natural for a Bengali of Bangal origin like me to be concerned about some other Bengalis across the border.

@Saiful Islam @kobiraaz @Avisheik @Riyad @MBI Munshi @Luffy 500 @Md Akmal @khair_ctg @Stannis Baratheon @asad71 @bdslph @jahidus2005 @Nabil365 @Al-zakir @iajdani
If you are so concerned, then take them. Considering India such a large country and having such a large GDP, I am sure you guys could accommodate a few of them.

Bengali Hindus are treated better than Muslims by the AL regime. In fact AL has specifically put Hindus at top government positions because they are more loyal to AL than Bangladesh. That is why minorities love AL, whereas the majority hates it.

@Rain Man It seems like you just want to put some hatred here. There should have been an additional option such as "they should consider themselves as Bangladeshis not AL supporters".
 
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