Beijing should back Okinawa independence, says Global Times

[faithfulguy]

No.
The different is that: Chinese were invaders, were beating to run away, Champa was also aggressor, invaded in to Vietnam's soil first, Champa paid his land for us for compensation. It was Champa's failure.

But China was in control of Vietnam for 1000 years. Since China claims Spratly, if Vietnam attack Chinese possession in Spratly, than China has the right to demand Vietnam surrender all of its land for compensation. It would have been Vietnam's failure?

 

[EastSea]

But China was in control of Vietnam for 1000 years. Since China claims Spratly, if Vietnam attack Chinese possession in Spratly, than China has the right to demand Vietnam surrender all of its land for compensation. It would have been Vietnam's failure?

Vietnam regained independence for 1,000 years.
Man Quing dynasty China abandoned also SCS, Vietnam has been controlled Islands for hundreds years ago without any troubles with China in the past. China occupied recentlly Islands of Vietnam with force, it's illegal action under rules of International law. China have to hand back Islands to Vietnam. China can't swallow its.

 

[ChengDao]

China is really funny terrorise eastern turkestan and then they want to back okinawa independence.
Where is your help for the Uyghurs who want to become independeant?
But that is the reason why almost no one in the world really likes you.
Taiwan doesnt like you even though they are also chinese.
Neighbour countries who dont like china:Japan,South/north Korea,Mongolia,Khazakstan,Kyrgizistan,India,Philipines,Nepal and so on.

False flagger from turkey. Nice job pretending to be from KZ

 

[faithfulguy]

Vietnam regained independence for 1,000 years.
Man Quing dynasty China abandoned also SCS, Vietnam has been controlled Islands for hundreds years ago without any troubles with China in the past. China occupied recentlly Islands of Vietnam with force, it's illegal action under rules of International law. China have to hand back Islands to Vietnam. China can't swallow its.

Base on your view, if China occupy it for another several hundred years, than it would become China's territory. Under that logic, I see no reason for any country to give another any territory they occupy.

 

[Over9000]

European colonists created USA, and now USA is independence state, Nam Yue Guo must be independence state late on like Vietnam did in the past,

That is a good example, it accurately reflects just how responsible Chinese were to the creation of what you call Vietnam.

You should know, even the name itself is a Chinese term. Viet = Yue, taken from Bai Yue. A broad blanket term for basically everyone to the south at that time.

Actually Vietnam has not been truly independent until they stopped being a French colony. You bring up America and their independence, however at no point since America's independence war were they a vassal or tributary state. At no point did America's leaders seek recognition from another power to be legitimate. Yet all this applies to Vietnam even when they were not a province.

In fact, the truth is when France came as a colonizer, they dealt with Qing China, NOT any Viet state. It was war with the Qing that resulted in French colonization. (see Sino French War) Viet idea of independence is not the same as everyone elses. This was obvious when foreigners came and could easily see Vietnam's relationship with China. That is why China was heavily involved the entire time.

 

[EastSea]

That is a good example, it accurately reflects just how responsible Chinese were to the creation of what you call Vietnam.

You should know, even the name itself is a Chinese term. Viet = Yue, taken from Bai Yue. A broad blanket term for basically everyone to the south at that time.

Actually Vietnam has not been truly independent until they stopped being a French colony. You bring up America and their independence, however at no point since America's independence war were they a vassal or tributary state. At no point did America's leaders seek recognition from another power to be legitimate. Yet all this applies to Vietnam even when they were not a province.

In fact, the truth is when France came as a colonizer, they dealt with Qing China, NOT any Viet state. It was war with the Qing that resulted in French colonization. (see Sino French War) Viet idea of independence is not the same as everyone elses. This was obvious when foreigners came and could easily see Vietnam's relationship with China. That is why China was heavily involved the entire time.

Ya, we can claim bai yue belong to us. and then Guang Xi, Guang Dong can be independence states base on seft-determination Principe of UN.

In colonial time, Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam was lost in the war with France 1856-1893. China was bulled by France and other westerners for open for free business.

 

[Over9000]

Ya, we can claim bai yue belong to us. and then Guang Xi, Guang Dong can be independence states base on seft-determination Principe of UN.

In colonial time, Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam was lost in the war with France 1856-1893. China was bulled by France and other westerners for open for free business.

Uhhhh.....sure there buddy...

Actually Cochinchina Campaign is the one you fought on your own and that was for Southern Vietnam. Which actually is a result of Cham conquest, for all of history Northern Vietnam was where the center of power in Vietnam was.

For that area, the French fought both Tonkin Campaign and Sino French War. For some reason while France was fighting the "independent" Vietnamese they also ended up fighting both the Chinese Black Flag Army and the Qing Dynasty itself. Tientsin Accord and Treaty of Tientsin (1885) is very clear what everyone else thought about Vietnam's position in relation to powers like Qing and France. How on earth a war between Qing and France end up talking about the 1000% independent Vietnam is anyone's guess I suppose. Case in point, there is very little similarity between America after their war for independence and Vietnam in the past.

 

[EastSea]

Uhhhh.....sure there buddy...

Actually Cochinchina Campaign is the one you fought on your own and that was for Southern Vietnam. Which actually is a result of Cham conquest, for all of history Northern Vietnam was where the center of power in Vietnam was.

For that area, the French fought both Tonkin Campaign and Sino French War. For some reason while France was fighting the "independent" Vietnamese they also ended up fighting both the Chinese Black Flag Army and the Qing Dynasty itself. Tientsin Accord and Treaty of Tientsin (1885) is very clear what everyone else thought about Vietnam's position in relation to powers like Qing and France. How on earth a war between Qing and France end up talking about the 1000% independent Vietnam is anyone's guess I suppose. Case in point, there is very little similarity between America after their war for independence and Vietnam in the past.

In the 19th century from 1858 year, Vietnamese have been fighting with both France colonial army and Chinese rebels Yellow and Black flages, they were wanted in China by Man Quing Emperor and ran to Vietnam for escaping. Some time we paid for them to against France.

History of Vietnam is story of continue struggles for independence and freedom.

 

[Ahiska]

False flagger from turkey. Nice job pretending to be from KZ

Im not a false flagger google meskhetian turks then you know what i mean.

 

[Zero_wing]

and the rest of the world say china should stop being a jerk

 

[Snomannen]

That doesnt mean you can call their ancestors chinese.
Turkey cannot call the byzantin empire turkish because greeks are an official minority just like jewish empire and king solomon are not tukish eventhough jews are a official minority.

They are different.
Turkey cannot call the Byzantine Empire Turkish just like Han cannot call Mongolian and Uighur Hans.
You have to know the different between a ethnics group and a single ethnic.
Hun, Han, Uighur and Mongolian etc became one and named themselves "Chinese中國人", also these ethnics are Indigenous of China (unlike Russian and Korean in China). They are/were no doubt Chinese.

 

[Ahiska]

They are different.
Turkey cannot call the Byzantine Empire Turkish just like Han cannot call Mongolian and Uighur Hans.
You have to know the different between a ethnics group and a single ethnic.
Hun, Han, Uighur and Mongolian etc became one and named themselves "Chinese中國人", also these ethnics are Indigenous of China (unlike Russian and Korean in China). They are/were no doubt Chinese.

But they were hostile to Han people and wanted and make their own empires and countries.

 

[Snomannen]

But they were hostile to Han people and wanted and make their own empires and countries.

Scottish was hostile with English too, but that doesn't mean that they cannot stick together.

 

[Ahiska]

Scottish was hostile with English too, but that doesn't mean that they cannot stick together.

But they still say they are scottish and not english......
Look the word chinese is only for the Han,Hui and other groups of the language family.
I dont want to make this topic to uyhgurs but they dont identify themselves with chinese but with uyghurs who are in the chinese condorderation.

 

[East Asia United]

China should occupy Okinawa and wait for the Japanese to voluntarily surrender Diaoyu Islands.