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Beijing should back Okinawa independence, says Global Times

These Chinese idiots will soon taste bullets and missiles from Japan if they don’t stop intruding into their territory. You may have the numbers but I don’t think your military have any other superiority in it. Anything Made in China are known to be #$%$. LMAO!
 
The history of Manchuria and Okinawa should be different, but both is controlled today by China and Japan. If China reconsider about independence of Okinawa, Japan can do the same to Manchuria.
Idiot Global Time can think twice before posting stupidity article.

Bring up the so called "independence of Manchuria" again, hmm? You never learn a lesson.
There are a certain number of people in Okinawa claim for independence,
there are official political parties want to establish a Ryukyu Republic.
The independence movement of Ryukyu/Okinawa is obviously existed, and official.
How about your "independence of Manchuria"? What are you going to support? The stupid website created by an unidentified guy claims himself an "emperor" and sells "passport" and"currency"?
Stop being stupid okay, your foolishness and ignorance are hurting people's eyes.

As I have mentioned before, if other countries are supporting the separatist activities in China, China has the right to do the same thing to them and they can't blame China for this. End of story.
 
There are independent movements within Tibet and Uyghur so any talks about Okinawa independence are just hypocritical speeches. Of course, people at the Gobal Times get hyped up by the prospective of retaliate against what they think as "Western meddling into their events." However, what they don't seem to acknowledge is that there are big differences between Tibet and Okinawa situation. Under historical legitimacy, Okinawa has been with Japan almost a century and a half, while Tibet was annexed by the CCP recently over half a century ago (many people born before the annexation in Tibet are still alive today). People are not dying on the street or doing self-immolation to protest the occupation in Okinawa, but they are under the hands of PRC's security forces in Tibet. Independent movement in Okinawa has very small minority support, while the same thing cannot be said for the movement in Tibet. I would compare whoever advocating Okinawa independence to the likes of Alaska Independent Party, or Texas Secessionist Movement in America. I wonder when the Global Times will voice their support for those Tea-partiers and Rednecks in Texas.

Moreover, there is nothing "global" or "times" about the Global Times tabloid. It's a spawn of the People's Daily, mouthpiece of the CCP. This article is a little tamer than their earlier claim that China can demand Okinawa "back" because of the islands "historical tribute relationship" with Chinese empires. Maybe after that sheer ridiculousness was laughed at by many observers, they changed their tone to the more reasonable position. Despite that obvious shift, ones can realize that this is nothing more than a new diplomatic gimmick that the CCP is trying to push through using the name of Global Times. They are stoking the non-existent issue of Okinawa Independence to gain another leverage in their fight to occupy the Sekaku islands.
 
There are independent movements within Tibet and Uyghur so any talks about Okinawa independence are just hypocritical speeches. Of course, people at the Gobal Times get hyped up by the prospective of retaliate against what they think as "Western meddling into their events." However, what they don't seem to acknowledge is that there are big differences between Tibet and Okinawa situation. Under historical legitimacy, Okinawa has been with Japan almost a century and a half, while Tibet was annexed by the CCP recently over half a century ago (many people born before the annexation in Tibet are still alive today). People are not dying on the street or doing self-immolation to protest the occupation in Okinawa, but they are under the hands of PRC's security forces in Tibet. Independent movement in Okinawa has very small minority support, while the same thing cannot be said for the movement in Tibet. I would compare whoever advocating Okinawa independence to the likes of Alaska Independent Party, or Texas Secessionist Movement in America. I wonder when the Global Times will voice their support for those Tea-partiers and Rednecks in Texas.

Moreover, there is nothing "global" or "times" about the Global Times tabloid. It's a spawn of the People's Daily, mouthpiece of the CCP. This article is a little tamer than their earlier claim that China can demand Okinawa "back" because of the islands "historical tribute relationship" with Chinese empires. Maybe after that sheer ridiculousness was laughed at by many observers, they changed their tone to the more reasonable position. Despite that obvious shift, ones can realize that this is nothing more than a new diplomatic gimmick that the CCP is trying to push through using the name of Global Times. They are stoking the non-existent issue of Okinawa Independence to gain another leverage in their fight to occupy the Sekaku islands.

Speaking of historical legitimacy, Tibet was already a part of the central Dynasty since the Yuan Dynasty, independent in Ming Dynasty, taken back by Qing Dynasty until now, which is much more longer than Japanese Okinawa.
As for the self-immolation thing, I suppose there is no cult in Okinawa to encourage people to join a mass suicide (they don't workship a man as a God either), which is a "common" action to those silly people around the world (expectantly when someone claiming "the end of the world").
Besides If they really like to burn themselves because of the reason that the CCP is truly really bad, then this is not a Tibetan's 'job' to commit self-immolation, but Han, since the CCP is treating Tibetan much better than Han.
Also the very small minority support, I really doubt it:
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As for the name of the Newspapers, nar, just ignore it. There is also "people's" in PRC, "Socialist" in SRV and "Democratic" in the DPRK. These are nothing but jokes.
 
China's main disadvantage in naval conflict with japan is the japanese submarine arm,i think chinese members are underestimating this threat.Too much hype is being given to carriers no ones talking about the deadly SSNs.Submarines are the present and future of naval warfare.
 
China is really funny terrorise eastern turkestan and then they want to back okinawa independence.
Where is your help for the Uyghurs who want to become independeant?
But that is the reason why almost no one in the world really likes you.
Taiwan doesnt like you even though they are also chinese.
Neighbour countries who dont like china:Japan,South/north Korea,Mongolia,Khazakstan,Kyrgizistan,India,Philipines,Nepal and so on.
 
And Champa should become an indendent state and the Mekong Delta annexed back to Cambodia. :)
Nothing like Champa exit in nowaday, not like Okinawa and Tibet, LOL ... :coffee:
The history of Manchuria and Okinawa should be different, but both is controlled today by China and Japan. If China reconsider about independence of Okinawa, Japan can do the same to Manchuria.
Idiot Global Time can think twice before posting stupidity article.
Global Time must satisfy Chinese thought at first, bro ... :P
The foolishness of your remark, as in many of your mostly foolish remarks due to your ill-education, is that it is Japan that is defeated by Allies, of which China is a member.

Do you read me?

You better stop showing off your stupidity in front of the whole world: you've put the shame on the people of Vietnamese.
China was Allies member, so What!? :coffee:
China is really funny terrorise eastern turkestan and then they want to back okinawa independence.
Where is your help for the Uyghurs who want to become independeant?
But that is the reason why almost no one in the world really likes you.
Taiwan doesnt like you even though they are also chinese.
Neighbour countries who dont like china:Japan,South/north Korea,Mongolia,Khazakstan,Kyrgizistan,India,Philipines,Nepal and so on.
They are big, so their greeds are also very big... :coffee:
 
China is really funny terrorise eastern turkestan and then they want to back okinawa independence.
Where is your help for the Uyghurs who want to become independeant?
But that is the reason why almost no one in the world really likes you.
Taiwan doesnt like you even though they are also chinese.
Neighbour countries who dont like china:Japan,South/north Korea,Mongolia,Khazakstan,Kyrgizistan,India,Philipines,Nepal and so on.

Your logic doesn't work well.
[Where is your help for the Uyghurs who wants to become independent?]
how about:
[Where is you help for the Okinawan who wants to become independent?]

Yeah yeah, and N/S Korea hate each other, N/S Koreans and Japan hate each other, Russia and Japan hate each other. Thailand and Cambodia hate each other. Pakistan and India hate each other, Bengal and India hate each other blah blah blah, Iran hates Israel and the US and Israel hates Israel and so on, mankind are hating each other, that is nothing news :coffee:
 
Your logic doesn't work well.
[Where is your help for the Uyghurs who wants to become independent?]
how about:
[Where is you help for the Okinawan who wants to become independent?]

Yeah yeah, and N/S Korea hate each other, N/S Koreans and Japan hate each other, Russia and Japan hate each other. Thailand and Cambodia hate each other. Pakistan and India hate each other, Bengal and India hate each other blah blah blah, Iran hates Israel and the US and Israel hates Israel and so on, mankind are hating each other, that is nothing news :coffee:
The interesting thing is they are united in their hate of china.
 
The interesting thing is they are united in their hate of china.

Oh, there is an union?

"An union of hate" hur? .
Well I suppose there is an union of hate of Israel are united by Arabic nations too. :coffee:
But does it really existed~?
 
Speaking of historical legitimacy, Tibet was already a part of the central Dynasty since the Yuan Dynasty, independent in Ming Dynasty, taken back by Qing Dynasty until now, which is much more longer than Japanese Okinawa.
Looking back at history, I'm really greaful for generations of Vietnamese who had lost their lives to repel Chinese invasions, especially that one event in 1946 where 200,000 Chinese Nationalist army almost succesful in taking Vietnam again. Why? Because if China had captured Vietnam then, this would be the rationale they use: just like Tibet, Vietnam has been on again, off again occupied by Chinese expansionists. Therefore, with this kind of logic, China would have totally "legitimately" owned Vietnam. I will tell you why that kind of logic fail:

1) Both Yuan and Qing Dynasty are foreigners that invaded China of the Han at the time. Yuan are Mongolians, Qing are Manchurians. You cannot claim lands conquered by invaders as your own. China and Tibet are distinct countries, governed by distinct people (Han and Tibetan) for thousands of years. They cannot suddenly become one because some foreign powers took them both. French colonized the whole Indochina, but Vietnam cannot claim Laos and Cambodia its land. I remember very well that the CCP supported the genocide Pol Pot regime in Cambodia due to fear that Vietnam would annex Cambodia using this exact "historical precedent" you just mentioned. How does a dose of irony tatse? Maybe if China were not a resource-hungry expantionist country, it would be easier to defend the PRC.

2) After the Ming Dynasty regained Han China independence from the Mongolians, Tibet got its independence as well. Qing Dynasty, another foreigner to Han China took Tibet again. After the Qing fell, Tibet once again became a separate country. This further proved that Tibet has always been a separate nation and were able to gain independence together with Han China after foregin invaders are expelled.

As for the self-immolation thing, I suppose there is no cult in Okinawa to encourage people to join a mass suicide (they don't workship a man as a God either), which is a "common" action to those silly people around the world (expectantly when someone claiming "the end of the world").
Besides If they really like to burn themselves because of the reason that the CCP is truly really bad, then this is not a Tibetan's 'job' to commit self-immolation, but Han, since the CCP is treating Tibetan much better than Han.
Self-immolation is a higest act of sacrifice when one has no other available means of protest. Self-immolation is borned from the very heart of Buddhism where the concern of "do no harm to other" is held at the utmost importance. Gandhi's silent protest and hunger strike is what brought his country independence. His sacrifices brought over the world's sympathy and admiration. Same reactions were made to the self-immolation act of a South Vietnam monk protesting the terrorism of Buddhism of South Vietnam Ngo Dinh Diem's regime. That act shocked America to the point where it decided to dispose Diem. Most recently, hunger strike from prisoners of Guantanamo caused America to rethink its terrorist prison policy.

As you can see, that's how the civilized world act when seeing an act of self-immolation. Only in the PRC where I see such dismissive attitude toward it. On American forums, every time such news come up (immolation news occurs at least once a year in Tibet) I see a regular of mainlanders one after another insults such act. They dismiss that Tibetan using words from "stupid," "cult," "terrorist" and the most tame word is "irresponsible." They also dismiss anyone expressing sympathy to Tibetan "anti-China" or "Xenophobic," all strong condemnations but not a peep about Tibetan's plight. Your statement, which simply dismisses Tibetans ' self-immolation as silly, while never explore why they do it, shows that you have a narrow view of world events. This is perhaps shaped by years of propaganda or strong nationalist view point.

"CCP treats Tibetan much better than Han, and we don't see Han self-immolation, therefore Tibetan act is silly and/or Tibetan is not badly treated at all"- paraphrasing your argument. This circular logic is wrong on both the assumptions and conclusion. Tibet is one of the poorest regions in PRC, Tibetan's lands are confiscated and distributed to Hans, Tibetan's culture is subsided by Han's culture, and Tibetans who dare advocate for independence are jailed, beaten, persecuted. I don't see those as "better than Han," do you?!

Also the very small minority support, I really doubt it:
I read all your links, and there are no proofs of your doubt. One has a poll of Okinawa residents, but it was about a totally different topic from "Okinawa independence." The residents were disagree to the notion that Okinawa were independent on the same date with Japan, which is true since America only returned Okinawa to Japan years later. They are mad not because of returning to Japan, but because they were still under American administration while the whole Japan were free. Another the link also talk about a group of Okinawa's residents who are displease that Japan does little to decrease the US presence in the islands.

So the whole issue were not about the majority Okinawa wanting to be independent from Japan, but about the majority of people who are mad with Japan's continuation to keep the US there. It's unreasonable to think that they want to separate from Japan, and even more ridiculous to dream that they want to join China.

As for the name of the Newspapers, nar, just ignore it. There is also "people's" in PRC, "Socialist" in SRV and "Democratic" in the DPRK. These are nothing but jokes.
My concern with the Global Times was more about layman who would look at its "international" name and mistakes it for a reputable organization. I reveal its affiliation so that next time, when a member from PRC side quote that newspaper as "truth," people will immediately be skeptical about all those Pro-CCP biases written there.

It's funny how you seem to understand that CCP is a tricky organization, yet you continue to vocally defend whatever it does. This is to say how much extreme nationalistic feelings can cause people to bend their beliefs.
 
China's main disadvantage in naval conflict with japan is the japanese submarine arm,i think chinese members are underestimating this threat.Too much hype is being given to carriers no ones talking about the deadly SSNs.Submarines are the present and future of naval warfare.

Not necessarily so.

A Ticonderoga-class cruiser would render any sub threat moot and nill. This is why the JSDF' Maritime Fleet is organized according to USN's Fleet Matrix: destroyers and cruisers with support frigates would obliterate any surface or subsurface threat.
 
Not necessarily so.

A Ticonderoga-class cruiser would render any sub threat moot and nill. This is why the JSDF' Maritime Fleet is organized according to USN's Fleet Matrix: destroyers and cruisers with support frigates would obliterate any surface or subsurface threat.

Then how do ssks surface close to the us carrier battle groups without being detected,especially australian collins subs did this repeatedly in exercises.Also modern ssns or ssgns don't need to get that close.they can use dived launch of aship cruise missiles.So its a very even fight.And given subs overall stealth,where enemy never knows its there i think its pretty deadly threat.In falklands a single british ssn paralysed and grounded entire argentine navy.
 

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