BeatMe ‘I am UNbeatable’: Pakistani women challenge men in powerful new video

[Zibago]

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A very sexist advertisement ... Domestic violence is not a gender specific issue ... and portraying it as such is a fabrication of facts ...

Secondly, I personally don't understand the premise of the whole "I am unbeatable" and "beat me" .... the underlying assumption is that.... your the best at your craft ..and that you are "unbeatable"

and hence the ad gives you ..... Sana Bucha and Meesha shafi ... really ?

Reply to this http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/338423-CII-recommends-light-beating-for-wife-if-she-def

Was
https://www.buzzfeed.com/soniathomas/try-beating-me-lightly

No you understand the context

In Pakistan its a very gender specific issue we can pretend issues arent there but that wont make issues vanish

Haha. You need to get a job in Samaa as a reporter.

I did submit my cv on bol tv ti daikhtey hain

 

[The Sandman]

I did submit my cv on bol tv ti daikhtey hain

Why not ARY?

 

[Zibago]

Why not ARY?

Ary ki job offer thi mahi plus bol waley paisey ziyada daitey hain

 

[The Sandman]

Ary ki job offer thi mahi plus bol waley paisey ziyada daitey hain

mjhe to wese fraud lgte hain bol wale yr but all the best

 

[Djinn]

Ary ki job offer thi mahi plus bol waley paisey ziyada daitey hain

Do they offer jobs for disciplines other than Journalism and Mass Comm? If they are offering lucrative salary packages it's a worth a try.

My favourite movie is Avatar .

Which Avatar? The last air bender(which was ruined by Shamalyan) or James Cameron one with blue aliens.

 

[Zibago]

Do they offer jobs for disciplines other than Journalism and Mass Comm? If they are offering lucrative salary packages it's a worth a try.

Unhoan ney bus graduation mangi thi mera subject to Physics,Math tha Bsc mein

mjhe to wese fraud lgte hain bol wale yr but all the best

Awein har jagah cv drop karta rehta hoan nts bhi deta rehta hoan positive response aye to chala jayon ga mein un afraad mein sey nahi jo hiley joley baghair rotey hain haye jobs nahien haye jobs nahein

 

[abdulbarijan]

An ancient member who got perma banned


Reply to this http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/338423-CII-recommends-light-beating-for-wife-if-she-def

Was
https://www.buzzfeed.com/soniathomas/try-beating-me-lightly

No you understand the context

In Pakistan its a very gender specific issue we can pretend issues arent there but that wont make issues vanish


I did submit my cv on bol tv ti daikhtey hain

You my friend, are quite literally doing the same ... I said in my first post that domestic violence is an issue ... I didn't say anything hurtful or insulting to the victims or minimized the situations they faced ... What I did say was ... the ad is sexist because it portrays women as the ONLY victims when that is not the case (hence it pretends that men don't have to face such issues ... an outright fabrication of facts )

Now you say "In Pakistan it's a very gender specific issue" ... I don't know of a single research paper (I have seen a case study or two) that looks in to domestic violence from a male perspective in Pakistan or even if such statistics are available and I'm actually a researcher and yes I've tried looking as well.

Most of the credible research is done in the West usually by the Brits and Americans ... and their research says that men are victims too ... Remember when the IK divorce rumors from Reham were floating ... well established journalists were alleging that Reham resorted to violence .... ofcourse ... we'll choose to forget that ...

Now as far as the CII recommendation goes ... more or less everyone stood against it ... because the ayat that is used to justify the act .... as per scholars like Ustaad Nouman Ali Khan is only applicable in the case of cheating ... anti-femanazis like me understood that and we stood with you on that issue .. and as far as I remember ... nothing "anti-woman" came up in to the framework of the law as a result of the recommendations by CII ...

 

[Zibago]

You my friend, are quite literally doing the same ... I said in my first post that domestic violence is an issue ... I didn't say anything hurtful or insulting to the victims or minimized the situations they faced ... What I did say was ... the ad is sexist because it only portrays women as the ONLY victims when that is not the case (hence it pretends that men don't have to face such issues ... an outright fabrication of facts )

Now you say "In Pakistan it's a very gender specific issue" ... I don't know of a single research that looks in to domestic violence from a male perspective in Pakistan or even if such statistics are available and I'm actually a researcher and yes I've tried looking as well.

Most of the credible research is done in the West usually by the Brits and Americans ... and their research says that men are victims too ... Remember when the IK divorce rumors from Reham were floating ... well established journalists were alleging that Reham resorted to violence .... ofcourse ... we'll choose to forget that ...

Now as far as the CII recommendation goes ... more or less everyone stood against it ... because the ayat that is used to justify the act .... as per scholars like Ustaad Nouman Ali Khan is only applicable in the case of cheating ... anti-femanazis like me understood that and we stood with you on that issue ..

All right look around you most domestic abuse victims i see are women its the trend all over the country most abuse victim are women we have women shelters for that reason alone

There is nothing wrong in making domestic abuse a gender issue when majority of domestic abuse victims are women

Even in west domestic abuse victims are mostly female in Pakistan women are absolute majority of domestif abuse cases

 

[abdulbarijan]

All right look around you most domestic abuse victims i see are women its the trend all over the country most abuse victim are women we have women shelters for that reason alone

There is nothing wrong in making domestic abuse a gender issue when majority of domestic abuse victims are women

Even in west domestic abuse victims are mostly female in Pakistan women are absolute majority of domestif abuse cases

Sorry to say ... But the evidence doesn't care for your feelings and doesn't base itself in your limited social circle ...

Let me first establish what my point is ... Domestic violence isn't a gendered issue as both genders can be the victims and perpetrators of it. As far as the relative rates go ... you can check out the abstract of the literature review that I've quoted ... and you can go in to the details of the lit review and see for yourself ... It establishes that the myth of domestic violence being a "women issue" is just that ... a MYTH!

ABSTRACT: A review is made of female intimate abuse. It is concluded that females are as abusive as males in intimate relationships according to survey and epidemiological studies. This is especially so for younger “cohort” community samples followed longitudinally. Predictors of intimate violence with women appear to be similar to those of men; including antisocial criminal records, alcohol abuse, and personality disorders.
http://honest-ribbon.org/domestic-violence-research/female-perpetrators-of-intimate-abuse/

According to a 2010 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Department of Justice, in the last 12 months more men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health. Despite this, few services are available to male victims of intimate partner violence. This paper explores the extent of intimate partner violence against male victims. It looks at the domestic violence system response to male victims. It re-examines data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, research on the impact of IPV on male victims and the system´s response to it. More research is needed on IPV against men, its impact on men and the domestic violence service response to male victims. Public education is needed on the extent of IPV against males, and services need to be provided for these victims. Increased domestic violence education directed at women and services to men should lead to a reduction of DV against women as well as men, since woman aggressors frequently are themselves victimized subsequently.
http://www.batteredmen.com/NISVS.htm

As far as your argument of

"There is nothing wrong in making domestic abuse a gender issue when majority of domestic abuse victims are women"

Thats a futile argument because your focusing on the group of the victim and not solving the problem ... and the problem is much more broader then just 50% of the population as I've stated previously ...
Lastly... as I've stated previously ... I've seen case studies of DV against men in Pakistan .. however I haven't seen a full blown statistics output like I've seen with something like the CDC or other independent scholars from the likes of the US and UK ... and those countries had similar attitudes towards domestic violence as us .. e.g. it's a women issue etc. But the stats tear that case apart don't they?

 

[Mughal-Prince]

• Entertainment

33 MINS AGO BY WEB DESK

A video released by the United Nation for Women in Pakistan featuring nations’ strong women as they speak up against gender-based violence.

“Try to beat me, I am UNbeatable”, sets to break patriarchal ideologies of Pakistani society. UNWomen’s latest campaign brings a twist to the advocacy on women’s rights and in the video, women are seen inviting a man to beat them – but at the things they excel at.

From Meesha Shafi’s powerful invite in front of a microphone saying, “Beat me with your voice” to Sana Bucha saying, “Beat me with your words”, the video is all about shattering the perception that women are feeble and weak.

Momina Mustehsan, Sarwat Gillani and Aamina Sheikh stand strong and tall alongside mountain climber Samina Baig and other prominent female figures that have proved their mettle in their respective fields, showing how women are truly unbeatable.

Here, check out the video:


http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...ni-women-challenge-men-in-powerful-new-video/

I would suggest the west may keep their kun%er khana to their own backyard.
Instead of giving some positive message they are giving flamebait under the disguise of Feminine Power.
Please UN do it at your home!! and that is WEST where this organisation actually belongs and work for.

 

[Zibago]

Sorry to say ... But the evidence doesn't care for your feelings and doesn't base itself in your limited social circle ...

Let me first establish what my point is ... Domestic violence isn't a gendered issue as both genders can be the victims and perpetrators of it. As far as the relative rates go ... you can check out the abstract of the literature review that I've quoted ... and you can go in to the details of the lit review and see for yourself ... It establishes that the myth of domestic violence being a "women issue" is just that ... a MYTH!



As far as your argument of

"There is nothing wrong in making domestic abuse a gender issue when majority of domestic abuse victims are women"

Thats a futile argument because your focusing on the group of the victim and not solving the problem ... and the problem is much more broader then just 50% of the population as I've stated previously ...
Lastly... as I've stated previously ... I've seen case studies of DV against men in Pakistan .. however I haven't seen a full blown statistics output like I've seen with something like the CDC or other independent scholars from the likes of the US and UK ... and those countries had similar attitudes towards domestic violence as us .. e.g. it's a women issue etc. But the stats tear that case apart don't they?

All right http://www.dawn.com/news/1294475/every-second-woman-suffers-domestic-violence-in-pakistan
Now give me stats about male even in west the figure is higher fir women despite their women having way more liberties this is a hacky argument in our society violence against women is treated as a domestic issues that should be resolved even when male is extremely violent

No feelings here mate just observations of a responsible citizen who wants to fix issues if this country

I would suggest the west may keep their kun%er khana to their own backyard.
Instead of giving some positive message they are giving flamebait under the disguise of Feminine Power.
Please UN do it at your home!! and that is WEST where this organisation actually belongs and work for.

Yes no one should dare challenge narrative of CII :-//

 

[SMC]

All right look around you most domestic abuse victims i see are women its the trend all over the country most abuse victim are women we have women shelters for that reason alone

There is nothing wrong in making domestic abuse a gender issue when majority of domestic abuse victims are women

Even in west domestic abuse victims are mostly female in Pakistan women are absolute majority of domestif abuse cases

In the west the abuse victims are 50/50 male and female. Men don't speak out against domestic abuse for the fear of getting laughed at and not taken seriously. Whatever you have experience is not evidence of a general trend, and even in your own circles it's very much possible that a male victim of abuse did not speak out for the fear of being laughed at or not taken seriously.

In Pakistan, it is likely the case the case that majority of the victims are female but there's no studies to prove how much % of the victims are male and how common female on male domestic violence is.

 

[abdulbarijan]

All right http://www.dawn.com/news/1294475/every-second-woman-suffers-domestic-violence-in-pakistan
Now give me stats about male even in west the figure is higher fir women despite their women having way more liberties this is a hacky argument in our society violence against women is treated as a domestic issues that should be resolved even when male is extremely violent

No feelings here mate just observations of a responsible citizen who wants to fix issues if this country


Yes no one should dare challenge narrative of CII :-//

I thought arguments involved you arguing for your narrative ... not stomping on your own narratives using your own feet..

My friend, you've just proved my point ... You came up with a study which doesn't even INCLUDE MEN ... Something that has been driving me crazy because most of the studies pertaining to domestic violence with male victims in Pakistan are purely qualitative ... and when you actually go through them ... they are not all that comprehensive either .. Now as far as the "every second claim" one has to look at the sample size to generalize it like that .. add to it another complication that the claim states "some form of abuse" which also includes psychological ...

Anyways, based on the statistics that I've given.... which include the CDC and a lit review ... lets translate your argument ...

So in a collection of a 100 people lets say , 50 people are victims of some sort of abuse. Out of these 50, 30 belong to group A while 20 belong to group B. What your saying is ...

-Your solution - Leave the sizeable portion of the victims in Group B suffering and only focus on Group A.

-My argument - Screw the groups, focus on the problem. Devise solutions that focus on solving the problem rather then looking at the problem through the lens of groups ...

As far as Pakistan goes ... my argument still stands ... no real data is available for a fair comparison ... I can quote cases of extreme domestic violence against men ... threads that I know you've been on as well ... that more or less signifies that the problem affects both genders ... now if there is a problem that affects both genders ... why not have a solution through which every one can reap the benefits and society as a whole can improve ?

and if you wanna argue it more ... let me ask you a simple question ...

Using your very method of observation ... we can easily come to the conclusion that boys (in Pakistan) suffer more and harsher punishments then girls in schools, colleges, and in home (at the hands of parents and teachers etc.) .. Now where are the threads for that type of abuse ? ... or maybe we tend to forget boys and men even when they make the majority of the victim population ?

 

[Yasir Ashraf]

link is working here but i can't watch this because here is not working

 

[Hell hound]

now this ad at its core is a sexist one.you are doing good job in a field.great keep it up we are with you but no need to rub it on other gender's face.
and beat me at life one was pretty stupid its like me saying beat me in pissing while standing competition.