Beard is a sign of radicalization – French minister

[HannibalBarca]

Direct word of Allah is in the Quran. Please cite my where it says that?

So the saying of Our Prophet isn't from Allah?
Our prophet isn't our Example?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So the saying of Our Prophet isn't from Allah?

Please give me source in the Quran? Surah, verse. Thanks ...

 

[HannibalBarca]

Please give me source in the Quran? Surah, verse. Thanks ...

Narrated Ibn `Umar:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard.
Bukhari Book 2, Hadith 498

Ibn Umar said:
The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) said: Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard grow.
Muslim Book 2, Hadith 498

There is dozens and dozens of others... on the topic of Beard...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Narrated Ibn `Umar:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard.
Bukhari Book 2, Hadith 498

Ibn Umar said:
The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) said: Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard grow.
Muslim Book 2, Hadith 498

There is dozens and dozens of others... on the topic of Beard...

This is not from the Quran but from the Hadith which often can be assumed to be tradition and practice that existed then in the Arabian peninsula. And it needs -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reconstruction_of_Religious_Thought_in_Islam

 

[HannibalBarca]

This is not from the Quran but from the Hadith which often can be assumed to be tradition and practice that existed then in the Arabian peninsula. And it needs -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reconstruction_of_Religious_Thought_in_Islam

What are you saying? The hadith is part of the Corpus of Islam...
I don't want to get into that... But without HAdith... you will do nothing... Where do you think you learn how and when to pray? how to behave in such and such situation? How do you understand the Quran? and so on...

What is with this wave of "Quranist"...

Please try to stay on the right path... I understand the Western environment is hard to deal with... but don't fall into that...

 

[Numerous]

What are you saying? The hadith is part of the Corpus of Islam...
I don't want to get into that... But without HAdith... you will do nothing... Where do you think you learn how and when to pray? how to behave in such and such situation? How do you understand the Quran? and so on...

What is with this wave of "Quranist"...

Normally it isn't very long before hadith deniers turn into Qur'an deniers.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What are you saying? The hadith is part of the Corpus of Islam...

Read Allama Iqbal when you get the time and all will be clear.

Normally it isn't very long before hadith deniers turn into Qur'an deniers.

Says a guy who already is.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Read Allama Iqbal when you get the time and all will be clear.

So now a simple man hold more truth than the Prophet, Companions and Ancient Renowned Scholars
Please take that Blindness out of your eyes... you may regret it in another life.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So now a simple man hold more truth than the Prophet, Companions and Ancient Renowned Scholars

Non of them are here to answer anything. We have the Quran [word of Allah] which does NOT mention it, then we have the Hadith which was written by mortals like me and you. Non of the companions could have written these down.

Hadith were not written down by Muhammad's followers immediately after his death but several generations later when they were collected, collated and compiled into a great corpus of Islamic literature.

And as you know there is no one definitive set of Hadith but we have Hadiths [plural] which have gone on to inform differant branches of Islam.

 

[Numerous]

Non of them are here to answer anything. We have the Quran [word of Allah] which does NOT mention it, then we have the Hadith which was written by mortals like me and you. Non of the companions could have written these down.

Hadith were not written down by Muhammad's followers immediately after his death but several generations later when they were collected, collated and compiled into a great corpus of Islamic literature.

And as you know there is no one definitive set of Hadith but we have Hadiths [plural] which have gone on to inform differant branches of Islam.

There were companions who did write things down.

Hadiths are graded as to their reliability, that is how Muslim scholars know which one's are legitimate.

None of the scholars of the past are here but some of their works have survived. We can literally go learn about the science of hadith by undertaking a course at a religious institution.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Non of them are here to answer anything. We have the Quran [word of Allah] which does NOT mention it, then we have the Hadith which was written by mortals like me and you. Non of the companions could have written these down.

Hadith were not written down by Muhammad's followers immediately after his death but several generations later when they were collected, collated and compiled into a great corpus of Islamic literature.

And as you know there is no one definitive set of Hadith but we have Hadiths [plural] which have gone on to inform differant branches of Islam.

What we have today is a corpus of Hadiths, COMPILED by few scholars by using THE most precise way of verifying/compiling EVER made in Human History... even today compilation ISN'T on that standard, you should read what "Western" Scholars say about the Hadith "Science".

Second, Hadiths/ Saying of the Prophet... WAS'nT written few hundreds years later... Corpus of Hadiths already existed, like the ones of First Caliphs... or Other Companions.
Now I will not dig into it... But Hadiths isn't only what the Third Gen said that X or Y heard and compiled...

Therefore the Science of Hadith is a right one...

Last and the most Important thing... With only the Quran... the most you can call yourself is a Believer in the Oness of God... Everything else asked of you by Allah is in the Teaching of our Prophet.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

None of the scholars of the past are here but some of their works have survived. We can literally go learn about the science of hadith by undertaking a course at a religious institution.

Yes you can but you will find 100s of interpretations forming out into branches and sects that diverge from each other.

 

[Numerous]

Yes you can but you will find 100s of interpretations forming out into branches and sects that diverge from each other.

Islam really isn't that obscure.

I'd say the main reason for different sects though is due to people adding their own things to the faith but this sentence is just my own observation anyway.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Islam really isn't that obscure.

True.

I'd say the main reason for different sects though is due to people adding their own things to the faith but this sentence is just my own observation anyway.

The problem is this goes both ways. You can find yourself pointing your fingers while others will point their fingers to you that you are the one "adding". The problem is everybody thinks their understanding is the understanding and the definitive Islam. That of course causes the clashes and the rivalry you see across the entire Islamic world which is and has been torn by differances right from the end of the Rashidun Caliphate and internal conflict had began within 20 years of the death of the prophet [pbuh].

Lesson here for all is to not foist our renditions on others and be accomodating. Leave the judgement to the hereafter. Use all your energy to introspect and improve your self. After all you will be only accountable for your own actions. Not others.

 

[Numerous]

True.

The problem is this goes both ways. You can find yourself pointing your fingers while others will point their fingers to you that you are the one "adding". The problem is everybody thinks their understanding is the understanding and the definitive Islam. That of course causes the clashes and the rivalry you see across the entire Islamic world which is and has been torn by differances right from the end of the Rashidun Caliphate and internal conflict had began within 20 years of the death of the prophet [pbuh].

Lesson here for all is to not foist our renditions on others and be accomodating. Leave the judgement to the hereafter. Use all your energy to introspect and improve your self. After all you will be only accountable for your own actions. Not others.

I don't think they would be able to. This isn't some sort of ego reaction either, I really only do the basics currently, it would be extremely hard right now for "them", whoever that is, to accuse me of doing any adding anything.

I'm accommodating but there's a limit. A person from a different school of thought who has his hands by his sides during prayers - okay I'm fine with that. However if your worship has evolved to spinning in a circle then I'm going to say that's wrong (but of course in a better manner so it's more persuadable). There are accepted differences of opinion but not everyone comes under that.

No we Muslims are not meant to live like that. We are told to enjoin good and forbid evil. If people are doing bad things, including changing the religion to suit their own desires, then this is something that needs to corrected. Islamic is a public religion too, sure you do acts of worship in private but it is very much public too. People have no problem trying to improve things like education, GDP growth, (less) corruption etc... But they then they neglect their religion in society when they should prioritise this first and foremost.

On the authority of Abu Sa`eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:

I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]

Bad things happen when good people don't keep the bad beliefs in check. It opens the door all manner of outside beliefs into Muslim societies.