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I am sure gpit has answer but regardless no answer will satisfy indian logic and ambition of hegemony. So its ONLY better to move on without india and we care less whoever india enjoy its huge market with. We did it for last 40 years, we would do just fine in future.

Take your indian begging to "how to improve India-BD" relation thread, that's what it is for.

India is the biggest importer of Bangladeshi products and if you can you should ban all trading with India.

There are more routes from Bangladesh to India from air, sea and land, and if again, if you can, you should stop that. In fact, I dare you to flying without flying above Indian soil.

There are more Bangladeshi illegal immigrants coming to India than any other country, if you can you should stop that.

If there are more people like you in Bangladesh, I think heck with India-BD relations.

BD is lecturing India on maintaining relations. It has only two neighbours - India and Burma. Trust neither! wow! 100% ratio.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but India is huge compared to Bangladesh. You could build a road to China as you were saying. We dont care, but cant be using Indian land. You dont trust Burma either. So your options are to build it through the water line. Connecting from bangladesh to Malayasia and from there to China! Please do fund that project if you can :)

When some one tries to befriend somebody, dont think that is a weakness of the country, it merely asserts the sense of security and power.

India-Pakistani's always fight in any forum, but most Indians know they are among top 15 powerful countries in the world and they were defeated in just 4 days. Not that Mukti Bahini with some ancient rifles were about to uproot Pakis! That is seriously a joke.

Wake up and smell the rose! No wonder India is acting ways as you may say, with people like you even in minority, some of them have to be taught a lesson.

If you think you are capable to do anything WITHOUT INDIA, do it. Don't just say in the forum and walk away. Good luck!

:Mod Edit: Use the proper term "Pakistani's" next time or you're out of here!
 
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India is the biggest importer of Bangladeshi products and if you can you should ban all trading with India.

You are wrong Rajeev.India is not the biggest importer of Bangladeshi product.Bangladesh's export market is mainly USA and Euro nations.Bangladesh imports a lot from India,but exports very less to India.Understand the difference clearly.Do not post misleading information please.



India-Pakis always fight in any forum, but most Indians know they are among top 15 powerful countries in the world and they were defeated in just 4 days. Not that Mukti Bahini with some ancient rifles were about to uproot Pakis! That is seriously a joke.

Now I am quite sure you do not have enough knowledge on the history of 1971.You are certainly not aware of the events from March to early December 1971.You are parroting what you were taught at school.You have not thought of the fact that,IA had extensive support from Mukti Bahini and ordinary civilians,which made the operation so swift.Against a Pakistan army which was already tired of fighting against guerrillas.

Since you lack the knowledge,no point arguing with you.

Having said that,let's not derail the thread.Its about BD-Burma relation,let's discuss that.
 
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I agree with you that Burmese junta may have bad intentions towards Bangladesh and thanks to stupid Indian involvement with non-aligned movement, China has made a good headway in regards to Burma.

But my guess is that the junta will care more about the money than we think. It is only a matter of time they go for pipeline project. Chinese, I think are not really concerned with West Bengal getting any benefit and so will not oppose it.
The situation is more complex than Junta's bad intentions toward us, my friend. It can't be articulated or crystallized with few sentences as the combination of their orientalism, Buddhism, isolationism and militarism morphed their ways of thinking completely different from ours. There is a wise saying like in order to understand people of completely different territory; you have to delink yourself from earlier way of thinking. That skill hasn't been demonstrated by the stooges like MUA/FUA/HASINA/RAWAMIES, period.
 
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India is the biggest importer of Bangladeshi products and if you can you should ban all trading with India.

There are more routes from Bangladesh to India from air, sea and land, and if again, if you can, you should stop that. In fact, I dare you to flying without flying above Indian soil.

There are more Bangladeshi illegal immigrants coming to India than any other country, if you can you should stop that.

If there are more people like you in Bangladesh, I think heck with India-BD relations.

BD is lecturing India on maintaining relations. It has only two neighbours - India and Burma. Trust neither! wow! 100% ratio.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but India is huge compared to Bangladesh. You could build a road to China as you were saying. We dont care, but cant be using Indian land. You dont trust Burma either. So your options are to build it through the water line. Connecting from bangladesh to Malayasia and from there to China! Please do fund that project if you can :)

When some one tries to befriend somebody, dont think that is a weakness of the country, it merely asserts the sense of security and power.

India-Pakis always fight in any forum, but most Indians know they are among top 15 powerful countries in the world and they were defeated in just 4 days. Not that Mukti Bahini with some ancient rifles were about to uproot Pakis! That is seriously a joke.

Wake up and smell the rose! No wonder India is acting ways as you may say, with people like you even in minority, some of them have to be taught a lesson.

If you think you are capable to do anything WITHOUT INDIA, do it. Don't just say in the forum and walk away. Good luck!
Why are you so angry with Bangladesh? We are not withholding India's water, we are not taking away India's land and maritime territories, our BDR troops are not killing India's small children across the border, we are giving India water transit, and also we are considering to allow a gas pipeline transit from Burma to west Bengal.

You are doing all the opposite and wrong things against your small neighbour, but still you are angry with us.
 
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Why are you so angry with Bangladesh? We are not withholding India's water, we are not taking away India's land and maritime territories, our BDR troops are not killing India's small children across the border, we are giving India water transit, and also we are considering to allow a gas pipeline transit from Burma to west Bengal.

You are doing all the opposite and wrong things against your small neighbour, but still you are angry with us.
I am sorry eastwatch. I got carried away with the outrage of the some bengladeshi guys. You do read that, right?

In India, I know Assam people are angry that their jobs are getting taken away from Bengladeshi people. So, they are forcing India to patrol a lot more.

Personally speaking, I disagree with that. I think we should have open borders with Bangladeshi's. Infact, you guys are more closer in terms of culture with us than Nepalis or Bhutanese. I think more senior politicians would feel the same.

I feel extremely sorry that a boy was killed because of India BSF. I would like to apologize, but in India, Bangladesh gets very little coverage. Most of the time, India is looking at China, US, Europe and Russia - and ofcourse Pakistan. That is why you dont hear much.

Regarding water issue, Bangladesh always gets flooded in couple of years. So, how can you say you are running short of water. You guys could build lot of dams and control its flow right?

Population increase is one of the reasons for tensions I think between India and Bangladesh. Water and Food - basic concerns of humans are getting threatened. But we build lot of dams wont that solve the issue of water.
 
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The situation is more complex than Junta's bad intentions toward us, my friend. It can't be articulated or crystallized with few sentences as the combination of their orientalism, Buddhism, isolationism and militarism morphed their ways of thinking completely different from ours. There is a wise saying like in order to understand people of completely different territory; you have to delink yourself from earlier way of thinking. That skill hasn't been demonstrated by the stooges like MUA/FUA/HASINA/RAWAMIES, period.

Thanks Saint.

The following are from wiki:
At the 2008 ASEAN Regional forum summit in Singapore, Bangladesh and Myanmar have pledged to solve their maritime border disputes as quickly as possible especially that a UN deadline in claiming maritime territories will expire in three years time.[14] However in late 2008, Myanmar sent in ships into disputed waters in the Bay of Bengal for exploration of oil and natural gas.[15] Bangladesh responded by sending in three war ships to the area and diplomatically pursued efforts to pressure the Myanmar junta to withdraw the ships.[16][17] During the crisis Myanmar deployed thousands of troops on its border with Bangladesh. However within a week the ships withdrew and the crisis ended.

So, hopefully by 2011, things would be settled right? There would some give/take.

Please enlighten with your know how. I am very illiterate regarding any other tension with Burma.
 
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Bangladesh already sent the claim for mandatory aribitration in UN and notified both India and Myanmar. Now there will be third party intervention and I belive thats the right approach from Bangladesh part.
 
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Dhaka to refer sea limit row to UN tribunal :: Bangladesh :: bdnews24.com ::

Dhaka to refer sea limit row to UN tribunal
Thu, Oct 8th, 2009 4:58 pm BdST

Dhaka, Oct 8 (bdnews24.com)—The government has decided to submit the maritime boundary dispute to compulsory arbitration before a UN tribunal as Myanmar and India have "unfairly" cut off Bangladesh's sea blocks, the foreign minister has said.

Briefing journalists at her office on Thursday, Dipu Moni said the government opted for "compulsory arbitration" as the country failed to resolve the disputes with Myanmar and India for 35 years.

She said Bangladesh's maritime boundary would be demarcated in four to five years as per the UN law on sea (UNCLOS).

The demarcation would establish Dhaka's right to extract oil and gas from the Bay of Bengal.

She, however, said Dhaka would continue talks with the two neighbours in addition to arbitration.

The foreign minister disclosed the arbitration decision a day after prime minister Sheikh Hasina told parliament that her government would extract oil and gas from the Bay of Bengal.

The government has already awarded the three offshore blocks to two foreign companies for oil and exploration.

"We will go for compulsory arbitration as per the provisions of UNCLOS to demarcate our maritime boundary with a view to extracting oil and gas from the Bay of Bengal," Moni said.

As per the UN practice, the decision was likely to come by in four to five years since initiating the arbitration process, she said.

"It means that our sea boundary will be demarcated in four to five years if we start the process now.

"If we can reach a consensus through dialogues, the arbitration will be redundant."

"The arbitration decision will expedite sea boundary demarcation talks."

The minister said the government had already appointed Vaughan Loe QC as Bangladesh's legal counsel for the UN tribunal on maritime boundary.

Bangladesh in 1974 passed a legislation demarcating its sea boundary though India and Burma (Myanmar) rejected the move.

Dhaka restarted sea boundary demarcation talks with India and Myanmar in 2007-08 after a pause of more than 20 years. But the officials failed to agree on the issue.

Foreign ministry sources said, out of Bangladesh's 28 offshore blocks, Myanmar and India have made counter claims on 18 blocks.

The government has assured Delhi and Yangon that it would not go for oil and gas exploration in the blocks having overlapping claims by any of the neighbours.

Foreign secretary Mohamed Mijarul Quayes on Thursday morning called Indian high commissioner Pinak Ranjan Chakravarty and Myanmar ambassador U Phae Thann Oo to his office and handed his statement on arbitration.

"The claims of our neighbours have unfairly cut off a significant portion of our maritime area in the Bay of Bengal and prevented us from exploring and exploiting its oil and natural gas resources," said the foreign secretary's statement.

"With a view to preserving our national wealth and sovereign rights in the Bay of Bengal, the government has decided to submit the maritime boundary dispute to compulsory arbitration under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea,".

"Our decision to submit this dispute to compulsory arbitration is not intended to detract from our friendly relations.

"However, should these negotiations not succeed, we reserve the option within four to five years of having a final and legally binding resolution that will define our maritime boundary.

"In this way, Bangladesh continues but does not remain dependent on negotiations that have been on going for 35 years without results.

"This will allow us to once and for all settle this dispute with our neighbours, to ensure that our sovereign rights to the natural resources in the sea are fully respected

"And we also wish to conclude by reassuring the citizens of Bangladesh that we will do everything necessary to fully protect our sovereign rights under international law so that in the coming years, we all benefit from the natural wealth that lies beyond our shores in the Bay of Bengal," the secretary said in the statement.

Recently, the government endorsed a proposal on leasing out blocks 5, 10 and 11 to ConocoPhilips and Tullow Oil plc for offshore oil and gas exploration.

ConocoPhillips, the third largest energy company in the US, will get deep-sea blocks 10 and 11.

Shallow-sea block 5 will be awarded to Irish company Tullow that already operates in Bangladesh's Bhangura gas field.

Bangladesh, with about 15 trillion cubic feet (425 billion cubic metres) of proven and recoverable gas reserves, is currently facing around 100 million cubic feet of gas shortages a day.

Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told parliament on Wednesday that her government was determined to extract oil and gas from the Bay of Bengal.

""We want to solve problems with neighbouring countries without any quarrel. Problems can be solved through discussions," she said.
 
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Myanmar Border
Govt mobilises troops
Hasan Jahid Tusher and M Abul Kalam Azad

Bangladesh has reinforced its troops along the border with Myanmar as tension went high following repeated provocative acts by the latter's military forces including violation of international border and illegal construction of barbed-wire fences along the frontier.

Highly-placed sources in the government said the reinforcement was required as the Myanmar military junta deployed huge troops with heavy weapons within five kilometres of the border and many of them frequently intruded into Bangladesh territory, added the sources.

Bangladesh in the past always resolved all disputes with its neighbours through bilateral discussion but this time the authorities had taken it seriously and they are taking steps accordingly, said the sources.

The tension ran high as Myanmar troops fired several shots towards Bangladesh territory, witnesses said.

Paramilitary Bangladesh Rifles were kept on high alert yesterday along the Bangladesh-Myanmar border.

"Myanmar troops intruded into Bangladesh territory several times which is a serious threat to country's security," said an armed forces division report submitted to the government with its recommendations.

A group of Myanmar troops from engineering corps of its Medaik camp trespassed into Bangladesh territory to gather information about Bangladesh on September 29, the report said, adding that after the intrusion Bangladesh army was put on high alert there.

In recent years and months, Myanmar authorities have constructed new roads, military war obstacles including bunkers along the borders, renovated a nearby airport and started fencing the border as part of its provocative activities.

Myanmar has already constructed 42-kilometre long road and 9-kilometre war obstacles for its troops and set up concrete pillars on a 10-kilometre area along the border.

Bangladesh has protested Myanmar's such provocative acts time and again but the military junta did not pay any heed, sources in the foreign ministry told The Daily Star.

Sources said the Myanmar junta had renovated and expanded Sittwe Airport known as Arakan Airport and started flying aircraft for military exercise from there two to three days back which also increased tension on the Bangladesh side.

They added that the airport had remained abandoned for military aircrafts since the Second World War and a few small civil aircrafts used to fly from it.

"Myanmar has been making all-out preparations keeping in view Bangladesh," said a senior government official not authorised to talk to media.

Foreign ministry officials said Bangladesh has repeatedly requested Myanmar authorities to stop such provocations but they showed no restraint.

Following fresh tension, an army brigade has been moved to Fashiakhali of Ramu to closely monitor the activities of Myanmar troops. Police, Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) and Ansar members were also increased in the bordering region over the past few days.

"Extra soldiers were also deployed in some bordering upazilas of Khagrachhari, Bandarban and Cox's Bazar districts," Home Secretary Abdus Sobhan Sikder told The Daily Star yesterday, adding that the government is seriously concerned over the recent events on the border.

Our Bandarban correspondent Monirul Islam Monu adds: Bangladesh troops have been kept on high alert at Naikhhongchhari upazila in Bandarban and Hnila and Damdamia in Cox's Bazar district bordering Myanmar after the fresh tension.

Different unconfirmed sources said, in recent times 13 fighter planes were positioned at Sittwe Airport and 12 war ships anchored in the two rivers of Myanmar.

In November last year, Myanmar warships entered into Bangladesh maritime boundary to guard its exploration vessels, fomenting enormous tension between the two countries as both the countries mobilised their troops on the borders.

Myanmar had to withdraw the warships and the oil and gas exploration rigs as Bangladesh initiated both bilateral and international negotiations to resolve the crisis peacefully.

The Daily Star - Details News
 
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Bangladesh-Myanmar joint meeting this week: Direct banking, border trade top on agenda
Syful Islam

The third meeting of Bangladesh-Myanmar Joint Trade Commission will be held from 7-8 April in Myanmar aiming at strengthening the trade relations and removing trade-related barriers between the two neighbouring countries.

The meeting will emphasise on starting direct banking arrangement and border trade to accelerate business between Bangladesh and Myanmar, sources said.

An 11-member Bangladesh team led by commerce secretary Firoz Ahmed will join the meeting. Other members of the team include Bangladesh Bank executive director ATM Nasir Uddin, foreign ministry director general Enayet Hossen, shipping ministry joint secretary Md Alauddin, commerce ministry trade consultant Shafiqul Islam and Sonali Bank general manager Atiqur Rahman.

Sources said during the meeting Bangladesh team will emphasise on fertiliser buy back system through bringing gas from Myanmar which will add value and generate employment. The team will also discuss on setting up of hydroelectric power plant in Myanmar on joint venture to import electricity from there.

Contract firming and road link will also be on the agenda while the team will attend a seminar at Yangon on direct banking between the two countries.

At present Bangladeshi traders can import paddy, wheat, maize, edible oil, palm oil, onion and fish from Myanmar worth up to US$20,000 in a single consignment while for other goods its limit is up to US$10,000. The trading can take place without opening letter of credit but through bank draft. As a result, importers have to issue several bank drafts to import more goods resulting in higher carrying cost and incidentals. Earlier, Sonali Bank and AB Bank were issuing bank drafts for this trade but now only Sonali Bank is doing so. NCC Bank sources said it is importing goods from Myanmar by opening LC through Singapore banks.

A member of Bangladesh team, who visited Myanmar last month as 'working group' member, told The New Nation that Myanmar has huge untapped natural resources. If Bangladesh can start utilising those both the countries will be benefited.

Bilateral trade between Myanmar and Bangladesh now stands at US$140 million. The two countries were in tug of war two months back over maritime boundary following Myanmar's move of geological survey in the Bay of Bengal.

Last month Myanmar started to fence its border with Bangladesh without informing Bangladesh and showing any reason. Bangladesh has already protested the fencing.

The New Nation - Internet Edition
 
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I dont think anything fruitfull coming out of this meeting. We should wait till myanmar election in Decembre.
 
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Thread Update: Dec 09 . 2009

Yangon invites investment from Bangladesh

Yangon on Wednesday proposed that Bangladesh set up joint-venture industries and agricultural farms in Myanmar utilizing its huge workforce and Myanmar’s abundant land.


Myanmar Ambassador Phae Tham Oo made the proposal when he called on Industries Minister Dilip Barua at his office and discussed bilateral issues, including Rohingya refugee problem, maritime-boundary disputes and transport facility for mutual benefit.


“If Bangladesh sets up its world-standard industries like textiles, ceramics, medicines and jute in Myanmar through transferring their technology, both the neighbouring countries will be gainer economically,” the envoy said.


He stressed the need for resolving the current disputes between the two countries, including Rohingya refugee problem and maritime-boundary dispute, through mutual understanding.


He stressed strengthening South-South cooperation for enhancing socioeconomic conditions of Bangladesh and Myanmar.


Dilip Barua said the two neighbours would able to develop their industrial sectors through introducing smooth and easy rail-and road-transport networks.


Recalling historical relationship between Bangladesh and Myanmar, he said the Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina-led government was committed to maintaining harmonious and cooperative relationship with neighbouring countries.


“Bangladesh is willing to work together with Myanmar for achieving bilateral socioeconomic development of the two countries,” the minister told the envoy.


He sought cooperation from Myanmar side through playing a positive and comprehensive role at the climate conference in Copenhagen for tackling the impacts of global climate change.
 
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Dilip Borua is a burmese, I only knew it from Burmese newspaper.. Hope he could warm up the relationship by setting up few industires down there. Also we need those land unutilized in Burma and produce something fruitfull there.
 
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The Burmese are very bad. They come with tanks, battle ships and army every six months. They have refused or just neglected all our positive proposals with only negative responses. Think of our proposals to build hydro-electric plant in Burma with our money, think of that 22 km road inside Burma that we wanted to construct with our money, and many such projects. End results are all a big zero. You cannot clap in one hand. We need Burmese cooperation to undertake mutually beneficial projects.

Now, suddenly, when India is proposing BD to invest in the NE, this Burmese Ambassador comes with his own proposal. I do not think, they are serious. They must fulfill their own obligation towards BD. They must let us build that power plant, the 22 km road and allow us to lease their land. Only then BD should respond positively. But, even then the industries must be built in arakan so that the Rohingya people can get maximum benefit out of it.
 
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