BBC story on 'Pakistan's secret human rights abuses' a pack of lies: ISPR

[M. Sarmad]

If people from all over Pakistan are complaining about something - it's because there is actually a problem. This missing persons thing is no lie.

Being in a war does not mean that we start committing crimes against our own people.

Rest assured, our Security Agencies do not commit any crimes against our own people.

If you are not involved in anti-state activities, or you have no dubious sources of foreign funding, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about

 

[xyx007]

Well because it's conceivable to believe that people may have been accidentally killed in an air strike. These things happen in war. So whilst I cannot say that's true, it's not unbelievable either.

The issue of missing persons though. That's very believable. Too many people from all over Pakistan regularly accuse security forces of that. There's too many cases of that for me to call that western propaganda.

All the same, like I said, let's investigate these things properly and we shall find out the truth insha'Allah.

it's a shame that despite Pashtoon Or Baloch missing people represent the minority of missing persons they are the one talked about and that's because of the international agenda to separate Balochistan from Pakistan. The state is very ruthless when it comes to a threat to national security and the examples are in Edwards Snowden's revelations, recent killings of criminals in police custody in the USA, the UK considering new laws to curb terrorism and many more. To my Pashtoon or Baloch friends' nationalism represents very narrow thinking. Europe is moving away from it and now making a strong European Union. It's unfortunate that some people in Balochistan are trying to separate from Pakistan. Let's make CPEC as a successful model and everyone will be happy.

 

[YeBeWarned]

PTM = Halal or Son of the soil Traitors

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

BBC will be exiting Pakistan in a very near future if an apology and withdrawal doesn't come for fake propaganda.

All ban on BBC news on the Pakistani media and web must be enforced.

VOA is already out, next BBC.

who is running the BBC Pakistan these days? Probably a prodigy of Nazum Sethi.

 

[Numerous]

it's a shame that despite Pashtoon Or Baloch missing people represent the minority of missing persons they are the one talked about and that's because of the international agenda to separate Balochistan from Pakistan. The state is very ruthless when it comes to a threat to national security and the examples are in Edwards Snowden's revelations, recent killings of criminals in police custody in the USA, the UK considering new laws to curb terrorism and many more. To my Pashtoon or Baloch friends' nationalism represents very narrow thinking. Europe is moving away from it and now making a strong European Union. It's unfortunate that some people in Balochistan are trying to separate from Pakistan. Let's make CPEC as a successful model and everyone will be happy.

Bro those comparisons with the UK and USA aren't valid. When the UK & USA kidnap 1000s of their own citizens for years and years, without any charge, then a comparison can be made. But that kind of stuff doesn't really happen either. If they jail you, they tend to charge you and bring you to court. It's not perfect but it's not comparable. Why do you want to compare Pakistan with these countries anyway? We should be way better than the non-Muslims.

Some day it might be one of you who is kidnapped or one of your family members. I don't think many of you will like it then.

I agree with you that nationalism is problem in the form that it's present in our country.

 

[Psychic]

was your 1971 war propaganda too ?

Yes it was

If a dimwit can be made to believe that lightly armed 35k troops can kill 3 million and rape 400k in 6 months when fighting a nationwide insurgency, guarding border and carrying out martial law duties then any white lie can be made to appear as the ultimate truth by repeating that lie over and over again.

An American should be the last one to talk about "Pashtun rights"---Just a few months ago, USAF bombed a school and killed 150 Pashtun children in Afghansitan. Nobody in the Westren media gave a sht.

 

[Verve]

Being in a war does not mean that we start committing crimes against our own people. That is a very poor excuse and something many westerners say to defend their own nation's crimes. We are not westerners, we have values and principles.

People die during war. Innocent People die during hostage situations. To call it a crime is wrong. You can't make bullets and rockets to not hit innocent. This is why people in Swat, FATA etc were asked to leave their homes.

As for disappeared, many of those are turning out as suicide bombers. And many have been resolved as well.

Any idea how many of IRA people were picked up during their armed struggle against British? But the world didn't go crazy over then but everyone starts blaming PA for it. It's part of fighting a war. And you are calling it a crime. Yeah, might as well loose a whole region because you had to get court orders for every single arrest and investigation.

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

Alright this is going to be unpopular but whatever.

Is accusing the army of a crime really just being on a western agenda? I remember when I was a bit younger, Imran Khan used to say things "we'll go to the balochis and beg them for forgiveness..." on TV and one time I remember they brought on a baloch grandfather and his grandson and the grandfather pretty much make the accusation that his son was most likely murdered by the army (his son wasn't a fighter). These things weren't western propaganda.

Why is it so hard for pakistanis to believe that whilst the majority of the army is fine, sometimes bad things may be done. I read that BBC article, one of the cases mentioned that a house was bombed because they thought a TTP leader lived there but in reality it was just some innocent family and then was a big issue raised about missing persons. This missing persons thing happens all over Pakistan, so why it would be lies when it comes to the tribal regions?

Wouldn't it be better to actually investigate these things properly? If someone's house has been bombed, even by accident, then we as Pakistanis need to care and compensate these people. If simply ignore everything and treat it as a western propaganda then this cycle of war is probably not going to end any time soon. PTM is alive because we ignore these things, those balochi separatists are still in action after 60 years because we ignore these things.

Let the west go to hell, who cares about them. But these accusations and allegations of abuse seem to originate from actual pakistanis who live in those areas. I have trouble believing that this all just part of a western agenda or propaganda. Yes the west may have it's own goal in reporting these issues but it doesn't mean that it's all fake news.

Most of the people in these areas remained the proxy of other countries and paid the price and they failed to synchronize with their own country Pakistan They remained loyal to Iran Afghanistan India Russia and worked on their agenda Until unless the change their behavior conflict will remain there

 

[Numerous]

Eid mubarak guys, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Numerous]

Pay no attention to them. They're just bundjabi cockroaches being bundjabi.

Na bro, these guys are our brothers. Most pakistanis try to be good Muslims, sure some mindsets aren't perfect but I'm sure these guys care about our brothers & sisters in the tribal regions.

 

[nahtanbob]

Yes it was

If a dimwit can be made to believe that lightly armed 35k troops can kill 3 million and rape 400k in 6 months when fighting a nationwide insurgency, guarding border and carrying out martial law duties then any white lie can be made to appear as the ultimate truth by repeating that lie over and over again.

An American should be the last one to talk about "Pashtun rights"---Just a few months ago, USAF bombed a school and killed 150 Pashtun children in Afghansitan. Nobody in the Westren media gave a sht.

NY Times reports estimate on the 1971 war - 300,000 dead and 200,000 rapes

as far as afghanistan goes remind me why USA is there

 

[Psychic]

NY Times reports estimate on the 1971 war - 300,000 dead and 200,000 rapes

As far as evidence is concerned, there is none. Mere allegations.

It seems you are unaware of the mass killings and mass rapes carried out by Indian trained 80,000 strong rebel force. Ask the Bihari minority community living in Bangladesh.

as far as afghanistan goes remind me why USA is there

LOL.

When Pakistan reached for a peaceful agreement with all groups on board in 92, USA sabotaged it by bringing in Mujajaddi.

USA should be the last one to talk about Pashtun rights. Ask our drone victims---who happen to be pashtun as well.

But but but evil Pakistanis-----defender of humanity USA.

 

[nahtanbob]

As far as evidence is concerned, there is none. Mere allegations.

It seems you are unaware of the mass killings and mass rapes carried out by Indian trained 80,000 strong rebel force. Ask the Bihari minority community living in Bangladesh.

LOL.

When Pakistan reached for a peaceful agreement with all groups on board in 92, USA sabotaged it by bringing in Mujajaddi.

USA should be the last one to talk about Pashtun rights. Ask our drone victims---who happen to be pashtun as well.

But but but evil Pakistanis-----defender of humanity USA.

There is a reason Pakistani army folded in 2 weeks in 1971

USA washed its hand off Afghanistan after 1990 until 9/11

 

[Psychic]

There is a reason Pakistani army folded in 2 weeks in 1971

Massive disparity in numbers and quality of hardware.
44000 soldiers exhausted after counter insurgency for 10 months facing 250,000 enemies, 100,000 rebels.
1squadron of fighters against 11.
Not to mention no defense or deterrence against missile boats.

USA washed its hand off Afghanistan after 1990 until 9/11

yet felt the need to meddle in Pehsawar accords

 

[HAIDER]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486313/b...ecret-human-rights-abuses-a-pack-of-lies-ispr

after this news it is more clear that PTM is working on western agenda. and western media also supporting their utter lie & deception. Intriguingly, we never heard of PTM talking against US, NDS, RAW or Mossad.complexity in the deceptive movements would support such a claim back by western media lie.

Response should be coming from foreign office and foreign minister Qureshi. Then ministry of interior. ISPR should be the last one to disturb.